GUN CONTROL

[Echonova]

A good example that its the people not the guns is Sweden. Every male, i believe 18 to 40 is required to keep a firearm in their house, as issued by the government. And they have almost zero gun incidents.

so the problem isnt the gun. Its the people. By restricting the guns, they will find another way (or even still a gun). Think prohibiation and how that worked out.

If I'm thinking what you're thinking about, it's Switzerland... And since they have no standing military, males are part of a "Militia", receive training and have a fully automatic machine gun in their home. Currently there are about half a million fully auto machine guns in the country. Needless to say, home invasions do not happen in Switzerland.

I'm gonna have to be the leftist in the room on this one. Everything Vteckidd said is a good idea, but I'm definitely not against some tighter regulation on assault weapons, even up to an outright ban.

The only thing that stops gun violence is the arrival of another gun.

I see both sides here and agree with both in some ways.
As long as I am allowed to carry a concealed weapon for moments when people go crazy, then i won't care what law is passed. I just want to defend myself/others from the stupid fucks/gangbangers that take advantage of people because they "can".

You can't carry in a bar, or bank, or state/federal building. While I get what you are saying... You can never "protect yourself" at every occasion or time. Whatever "laws" that are passed only restrict the lawful.

I never said it would prevent the Colorado massacre. But why would anyone be opposed to being more responsible tracking weapons?

Because a government that knows where the weapons are... Knows who to disarm first when that government turns oppressive.

LOL you're always talking about GOD this and GOD that, I guess your god is no match for a small piece of lead.

We are all mortal, whether you "believe" in God or not. This thread is about "gun control", but good try at obfuscating the point.

From what I have previously read from Geoff, I would have never imagined he owned a weapon. Simply because most Christians believe God is more powerful than a gun, therefore they don't need one.

~le sigh~

I like you, hope we can meet some day... But yeah, I'm guessing you had to be drunk when you posted this.

I am all for requiring a dealer to perform the necessary background checks and complete all necessary paperwork on person to person sales. I would also say that the law stipulate that gun dealers perform this function free of charge.

I propose a law that you commit a portion of your day working for free.

I would go a few steps further than you though. Gun show sales are always brought to the forefront in this debate. My opinion is simple. If you have an FFL, you can take possession immediately. If you do not, a background check is still required. The internet is not hard to get to, especially with wireless networks and smart phones with hotspots. It cannot take more than a couple minutes to run the check right there in the booth. If it is the rare situation that the check cannot be run in the booth, then your new weapon is shipped to you.

Agree on all but the "take a couple minutes part"... We are talking about dealing with government employees on the other end.

Training is another issue that is neglected nearly everywhere. To purchase a gun, no training required. If you want to carry a concealed weapon, you are required to attend a gun safety course, no exceptions. Every range I have ever been to offers them at least once a month.

Agreed

Finally, gun theft. Gun owners should be required to report the loss or theft of their guns. If you have more than 1 occurrence of gun theft in any 5 year period, you should be barred from purchasing a firearm until 5 years from the second occurrence. Stolen weapons are one of the primary ways guns get into the hands on criminals. Time to hold the gun owner responsible for securing his weapons.

I wouldn't report it stolen. Simple as that. If it happened to turn up with a dead body, then it was stolen out of my safe without my knowledge...I just learned out about it from the officer at my house. But again, let's punish the law abiding because they cause all the problems.



At the end of the day... An armed society, is a polite society. The stupid will weed themselves out early on. People need to stop looking to the "government" or "laws" to stop an injustice they see occurring before their eyes. How many people could have been saved if one person in that theater had been packing (and trained)?

Laws only stop the law abiding, and they are never the problem.










BTW: This guy that shot up the theater did it with government money. I propose we ban all government college grants to prevent a tragedy like this from happening again.