Arizona governor passes SB1070 law.....

[Vteckidd]

Chance are thEy will question other nationalities but let's not kid ourselves the main cause of illegal immigration is Latinos.

[Vteckidd]

So people like Timmy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Robert Rudolph, David Koresh, Jeffery Lundgren (google that sick bastard), the killers of Dr. George Tiller, the Hutaree Militia, etc etc are all just guilty of nothing other than opposing the administration? They don't exhibit any patterns in the ways that their extremist beliefs and recruiting processes lead to acts of violence, terrorism, and murder?

missed the point again.

The people that were mad about being "profiled" obviously we're doing anything wrong. I actually have no problem with homeland watching militia groups closely if they have good cause.

[bu villain]

Is there anyone here who thinks racial profiling is wrong but supports this bill?

[Vteckidd]

Racial profiling is wrong but you have to also understand where profiling comes from.

Isnt it naive to just act like the majority of illegals In this country aren't Latino? I mean who are we kidding.

How come when you drive down into a poor black neighborhood you assume the kid on te corner with his pants around his ankles and a doo rag is selling drugs or prob not interested in going to college? Is that profiling?

What about poor white trailer parks ? Is it wrong everytme I drive by one I assume there's at least one meth lab in there?

Jersey shore made fun of guidos . Isn't that a form of racial profiling to see q guy like pauly d an assume he's an Italian American douche?

I mean it happens all the time

[BanginJimmy]

Is there anyone here who thinks racial profiling is wrong but supports this bill?

How about if you dont believe profiling is wrong in ANY way? ALL forms of profiling work to narrow a suspect pool. If the purpose of a law is to help punish, not stop, illegals along the US-Mexico border I really dont see the point is checking the immigration status of the white or black guy. The same goes for looking for asian illegals along the US-Canada border, the whites and blacks arent really going to fit that scenario.

To bring this back to reality, I do believe that using profiling as your ONLY method to narrow down the suspect pools is not only wrong, but a complete waste of resources and time. In this case, if the person the cop talks to speaks fluent english, has a valid license, and doesnt seem at all nervous, I see no reason for him to do anything more than he would be in any other case.

Will this law be abused? Yes, it will by some, just like ANY other law of this type. Should this vast minority prevent AZ or other states from writing and enforcing these types of laws? Never. For the last 40+ years the federal govt has made nothing more than a couple token attempts at securing the border. Until there is a serious effort made to close it, no law by any state or the fed govt will do anything.

[ash7]

,,,Option 2
5 Years of military service (starship troopers style) gets you Citizenship.

statements like this are definitely what's up.



I applaud Arizona for passing this bill, applaud Texas for saying "we want that too," and can't wait for other states to follow.

-jonathan

[BanginJimmy]

So people like Timmy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Robert Rudolph, David Koresh, Jeffery Lundgren (google that sick bastard), the killers of Dr. George Tiller, the Hutaree Militia, etc etc are all just guilty of nothing other than opposing the administration? They don't exhibit any patterns in the ways that their extremist beliefs and recruiting processes lead to acts of violence, terrorism, and murder?

You forgot the Weather Underground, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, and the environmental movement in your list. All of these have displayed as many or more acts of terrorism in this country than any militia, yet none of these groups have been singled out and villified like military vets have.

[Vteckidd]

You forgot the Weather Underground, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, and the environmental movement in your list. All of these have displayed as many or more acts of terrorism in this country than any militia, yet none of these groups have been singled out and villified like military vets have.

[onebadgt]

i support this 100% i do not support unjustified racial profiling but thats why there also passing another zero tolerance profiling law. i have the upmost respect for anone who comes to this country and betters there life, but not for the ones who do it illegally. the rest of us suffer from that. there are over 450,000 illegal immigrants in arizona alone. thats a ton of jobs taken, the unemployed rate would be cut in half if legal citizens had the millions of jobs that illegals now have. again i am all for legitimate new citzens making there life better, we have many hispanic men that work with us, and they are the best workers we have ever had, but they also are legal, pay taxes, and dont hafta hide.

[BB6dohcvtec]

Fact is this law won't take effect for a couple of months. By then it will be ruled unconstitutional and never see the light of day (book it). It's causing way too many problems.

[Total_Blender]

You forgot the Weather Underground, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, and the environmental movement in your list. All of these have displayed as many or more acts of terrorism in this country than any militia, yet none of these groups have been singled out and villified like military vets have.

You assume none of the left wing groups have former vets. Many of the Black Panthers etc. were vets from Vietnam.

Also, your point about "not checking the black guy or the white guy," you should know that not all "Latinos" are brown (aka Mestizos). There are lots of Blacks in Cuba, also Panama and Brazil. And there are more European looking people in certain places where the colonial expats still have large communities like Argentina and Venezuela. Also, another big part of border security is drugs and I think all races are involved in the drug trade, especially Whites.

[BanginJimmy]

You assume none of the left wing groups have former vets. Many of the Black Panthers etc. were vets from Vietnam.

Also, your point about "not checking the black guy or the white guy," you should know that not all "Latinos" are brown (aka Mestizos). There are lots of Blacks in Cuba, also Panama and Brazil. And there are more European looking people in certain places where the colonial expats still have large communities like Argentina and Venezuela. Also, another big part of border security is drugs and I think all races are involved in the drug trade, especially Whites.

I agree with you completely, but 90%+ of those that are coming over here illegally are latino and we both know it. As far as the drug trade goes, we also agree. Before we do any kind of immigration reform, read amnesty, the border has to be locked down. We already have a large standing army plus 10's of thousands more in the national guard. It would be a minimum cost to use those units to shut down the border. It would also be good training time for those units. All services fly helicopters that can carry the equipment to look down at the desert to locate people that are sneaking in. Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force all fly C-130's and/or P-3's also. It would not take many of them to watch all 2k miles of the border from 40k feet.

[tony]

yes but you have to think that the people who are trying to become citizens here were illigal too at one point of time.

i also think it is a waste of money to put up all this security and sending poeple back to other countries when the truth is that they will prob be back over in a few weeks. that money could go towards something else

It's good to know someone gets it.

[Total_Blender]

You all say that we suffer from illegal immigration, but really the use of illegal labor is keeping costs down. Imagine the added expense of building houses or running restaurants if all of a sudden the managers are forced to hire citizens and pay them a respectable wage. So it works both ways.

Also, any amount of added security will not stop people from getting in. As long as there are unscrupulous employers willing to hire illegals, they are going to keep coming, they will just find more creative ways of getting in. In addition to adding security at the border, we should also bust the people who hire illegals. When these people can operate in broad daylight recruiting illegal workers at the Home Depots, something is severely fucked.

[tony]

You all say that we suffer from illegal immigration, but really the use of illegal labor is keeping costs down. Imagine the added expense of building houses or running restaurants if all of a sudden the managers are forced to hire citizens and pay them a respectable wage. So it works both ways.

Also, any amount of added security will not stop people from getting in. As long as there are unscrupulous employers willing to hire illegals, they are going to keep coming, they will just find more creative ways of getting in. In addition to adding security at the border, we should also bust the people who hire illegals. When these people can operate in broad daylight recruiting illegal workers at the Home Depots, something is severely fucked.

Not to be outright disrespectful toward Conservatives (Or Neo Conservatives? anyway..) but to give off the impression like they are the party of common sense they sure are fucking up the analysis of immigration reform. Immigration is an economic problem, not a national security problem. You do not keep illegal immigrants out by spending endless amounts of money on a wall or "locking down" borders, you remove the incentive for illegal immigrants to come here, and their reasons are purely economic. Deal with the employers who are hiring them and remove the cushion that is the draw to the U.S for non citizens. It also requires a much larger effort in dealing with the countries that supply the bulk of illegal immigrants.

Asking for papers isn't going to do much. Send em back and they'll come back with a greater knowledge of how to get around the system. What are we going to do, shut down every state and build walls at every state line? Common sense..

[Vteckidd]

Not to be outright disrespectful toward Conservatives (Or Neo Conservatives? anyway..) but to give off the impression like they are the party of common sense they sure are fucking up the analysis of immigration reform. Immigration is an economic problem, not a national security problem. You do not keep illegal immigrants out by spending endless amounts of money on a wall or "locking down" borders, you remove the incentive for illegal immigrants to come here, and their reasons are purely economic. Deal with the employers who are hiring them and remove the cushion that is the draw to the U.S for non citizens. It also requires a much larger effort in dealing with the countries that supply the bulk of illegal immigrants.

Asking for papers isn't going to do much. Send em back and they'll come back with a greater knowledge of how to get around the system. What are we going to do, shut down every state and build walls at every state line? Common sense..

you do make excellent points and i agree 100%. The problem IMO is national security though i mean i cant believe Al Qaeda hasnt figured out the only thing they have to do is jump the mexican border to get in. Doesnt that play some factor in all this too?

Imagine if 12 million jobs were available because the illegals were deported tomorrow? wonder what that would do to the unemployment rate. But Blender is right it would drive the costs of the product/service the illegal was doing to go up. Would that really help anything? Or would it shift a market back to where it is supposed to be?

I could go into pages of economics debates about this but wont for fear of boring others.

You all make great points, but IMO at the hearts of the matter they came in the country ILLEGALLY , period. This is a way to make Arizona FORCE the feds to do SOMETHING about the border they are neglecting. nothing more and nothing less.

RACE has NOTHING to do with this and i think the only people making it racial are democrats trying to stir up their base (left wing dems of course)

[tony]

National Security exploits near the border are a result of poor immigration policy imho. I agree with Jimmy that regardless of how wrong it is, profiling works and it is a much needed evil so with this Arizona bill, I do not feel I have a leg to stand on when I want to judge. Obviously they have a major problem in that state with migrants and they want to deal with it. No the states are not sovereign but not everyone is dealing with the constraints of illegal immigration like Arizona is so if the citizens overwhelming feel they have more to gain by enforcing the law, so be it.

[Total_Blender]

. I agree with Jimmy that regardless of how wrong it is, profiling works and it is a much needed evil .

Legal Latino immigrants are 30% of Arizona's population. I really don't see them doing much good with profiling. Theres so much Mexican culture and influence there that profiling Latinos is going to be useless just because their culture is just so ubiquitous.

And as far as Al Qaeda not coming in through the Mexican border, first they would have to get in to Mexico, and I don't think Mexico wants them any more than we do.

[BanginJimmy]

Legal Latino immigrants are 30% of Arizona's population. I really don't see them doing much good with profiling. Theres so much Mexican culture and influence there that profiling Latinos is going to be useless just because their culture is just so ubiquitous.

And this is exactly why a profile, whether it be racial, ethnic, sex, religious, or anyting else, is useless if used as the only method of narrowing down a suspect pool. It is simply a starting point.

For example:

Cop stops a truck with 5 people in the bed and 3 in the cab for an illegal U turn at 2am. When he gets to the the driver's window and asks for a license, the driver doesnt speak a word of english, is acting very nervous, and claims to have forgotten his drivers license at home. Cop is a bit suspicious at this point and asks where he is going with 7 other people at that time of day. Driver gives a crazy answer and says he is doing some work on the house.

Now, would you think that this driver, and the people with him, are legal US Citizens going to work on a house at 2am, or would you suspect they are illegal and pursue it?

[Total_Blender]

1,) The people in your example have committed 2 crimes, an illegal U-turn as well as having people riding in the back of a truck. So every person in that scenario has a probable cause for being stopped and having to provide ID that is something other than "driving while Latino".

2.) You are wrong when you say this law will be enacted only if the people are under suspicion for other crimes or offenese:

E. A LAW ENFORCEMENT OFFICER, WITHOUT A WARRANT, MAY ARREST A PERSON
38 IF THE OFFICER HAS PROBABLE CAUSE TO BELIEVE THAT THE PERSON HAS COMMITTED
39 ANY PUBLIC OFFENSE THAT MAKES THE PERSON REMOVABLE FROM THE UNITED STATES.

More provisions I have problems with:

The state telling citizens who is guilty of tresspassing on their land:

42 A. IN ADDITION TO ANY VIOLATION OF FEDERAL LAW, A PERSON IS GUILTY OF
43 TRESPASSING IF THE PERSON IS BOTH:
44 1. PRESENT ON ANY PUBLIC OR PRIVATE LAND IN THIS STATE.

When people emigrate with no money, can you really expect them to pay fines? This seems like it will just increase the burden on already overcrowded courts and jails:

11 D. IN ADDITION TO ANY OTHER PENALTY PRESCRIBED BY LAW, THE COURT SHALL
12 ORDER THE PERSON TO PAY JAIL COSTS AND AN ADDITIONAL ASSESSMENT IN THE
13 FOLLOWING AMOUNTS:
14 1. AT LEAST FIVE HUNDRED DOLLARS FOR A FIRST VIOLATION.
15 2. TWICE THE AMOUNT SPECIFIED IN PARAGRAPH 1 OF THIS SUBSECTION IF THE
16 PERSON WAS PREVIOUSLY SUBJECT TO AN ASSESSMENT PURSUANT TO THIS SUBSECTION.

There are also provisions I DO like, such as requiring employers to keep better records of their employees' immigration statuses, and they are cracking down on people caught driving without car insurance.

But overall I think SB1070 is a turd.

[Elbow]

If you come here illegally and work, take jobs, benefits, etc. You deserve to be charged with crimes and sent back where you came from.

[Total_Blender]

If you come here illegally and work, take jobs, benefits, etc. You deserve to be charged with crimes and sent back where you came from.

And then they will just come back in a month. As long as conditions remain shitty in Mexico, Central America, and certain islands in the Caribbean, people will continue to emigrate by any means necessary.

[Elbow]

And then they will just come back in a month. As long as conditions remain shitty in Mexico, Central America, and certain islands in the Caribbean, people will continue to emigrate by any means necessary.

Fine lock them up in a camp.

[Total_Blender]

Fine lock them up in a camp.

You mean a FEMA camp? Can we throw the teabaggers in there too?

[BanginJimmy]

You mean a FEMA camp? Can we throw the teabaggers in there too?

Right next to the Obama nut huggers, tree huggers, and anyone that ever stepped foot on the Berkley campus or in an ACLU office.

[BanginJimmy]

And then they will just come back in a month. As long as conditions remain shitty in Mexico, Central America, and certain islands in the Caribbean, people will continue to emigrate by any means necessary.

In this case, I propose the US invade and take over Central and South America. This way they will all already be citizens so we wont have to worry about it.

[Total_Blender]

Invading places usually doesn't work out that well for us. We still have about a trillion in debt from that last fiasco.

[BanginJimmy]

Invading places usually doesn't work out that well for us. We still have about a trillion in debt from that last fiasco.

If you just want to talk about it from a debt standpoint then I guess we need to quit with all the entitlement programs also, they account for FAR more than 1T worth of debt. Hell, just the medical takeover will cost more than Iraq and Asscrackistan combined within 5 years from now.


Since you brought up Iraq, I also say we invade Iran. Their govt has committed countless verifiable acts of war against the US since 2003.

[sti_cham]

Fine lock them up in a camp.

x2
We need to open our eyes. There are over 2 million illegal immigrants bedding down in this state tonight! This state spent $3 billion last year, on services for those people who have no right to be here!$3 billion! $400 million just to lock up a bunch of illegal immigrant criminals, who only got into this country because the fuckin' INS decided, "It's not worth the effort to screen for convicted felons!" Who gives a shit? Our government doesn't give a shit! Our border policy's a joke! So, is anybody surprised that south of the border, they're laughing at us? Laughing at our laws? Every night, thousands of these parasites stream across the border like some fucking pinata exploded. Don't laugh! There's nothin' funny goin' on here! This is about your life and mine; it's about decent, hard working Americans falling through the cracks and getting the shaft because their government cares more about the constitutional rights of a bunch of people who aren't even citizens of this country! On the Statue of Liberty it says "give me your tired your hungry, your poor..." well it's Americans who are tired and hungry and poor, and I say until you take care of that, close the fucking book! 'Cause we're losing, we're losing our right to pursue our destiny, we're losing our freedom, so that a bunch of fucking foreigners can come in here and exploit our country! And this isn't something that's going on far away, this isn't something that's happening places we cant do anything about it, it's happening right here, right in our neighborhood

[bodhi]

x2
We need to open our eyes. There are over 2 million illegal immigrants bedding down in this state tonight! This state spent $3 billion last year, on services for those people who have no right to be here!$3 billion! $400 million just to lock up a bunch of illegal immigrant criminals, who only got into this country because the fuckin' INS decided, "It's not worth the effort to screen for convicted felons!" Who gives a shit? Our government doesn't give a shit! Our border policy's a joke! So, is anybody surprised that south of the border, they're laughing at us? Laughing at our laws? Every night, thousands of these parasites stream across the border like some fucking pinata exploded. Don't laugh! There's nothin' funny goin' on here! This is about your life and mine; it's about decent, hard working Americans falling through the cracks and getting the shaft because their government cares more about the constitutional rights of a bunch of people who aren't even citizens of this country! On the Statue of Liberty it says "give me your tired your hungry, your poor..." well it's Americans who are tired and hungry and poor, and I say until you take care of that, close the fucking book! 'Cause we're losing, we're losing our right to pursue our destiny, we're losing our freedom, so that a bunch of fucking foreigners can come in here and exploit our country! And this isn't something that's going on far away, this isn't something that's happening places we cant do anything about it, it's happening right here, right in our neighborhood

the arizona law is unconstitutional....


art 1, section 8 of the constitution gives congress the express power to decide naturalization issues
since it's an explicit power, the states have no authority, even under the 9th and 10th amendments

so keep on cryin kid


its not gonna do a goddamn thing...you want things to change? sit the fuck down and wait for it - nothing is going to happen anytime soon...
"omg illegal aliens are fuckin up the country...what are we gonna doo??????????? its so messed up n'junk"


grow up...there are those illegal fucks who should go back to their country, and there are those who are probably a more productive human-being than you are.
cobb, fulton, and gwinnett county are already doing what arizona is doing


and all theyre doing is wasting tax money on a stupid issue

last year gwinnett spent over $2 million dollars IN ONE MONTH - and only deported 8 or 900 illegal mexicans

how fuckin stupid does that sound to you?


oh and you think ppl south of the border are laughing at THE UNITED FUCKIN STATES OF AMERICA??? THE LAND OF FREEDOM.... yeah they are
do we send more military personal down there? are they gonna stop the evil aliens from coming over to the UNITED STATES? nah... they aint haha i just think it's funny that so many people are going around saying, "oh we gotta get the military down there, we gotta put the military on the border, to close the border, to stop the drugs and border jumpers...."


the U.S. army has been letting these drug cartel guys smuggle drugs over the border ON MILITARY PLANES -- their favorite is the C-130


there was a marine colonel or something in that big-ass base in texas that i can't remember the name cause im a little high (El Toro or something....?)
who found out about this, tried to blow the whistle, but he ended up blowing into the ears of somebody in on it, and they fuckin' killed his ass and then covered it up.....


so the idea that the military is gonna stop the drug trade, or anything else on the border is just a monument to stupidity....
its on the same order as building the Great Wall of China to keep out the Mongols

(for those who don't know mongolian history: the chinese spent hundreds of years building a 4,000 mile wall to keep the mongols out. so the mongols dried the tears of laughter from their eyes and LITERALLY WENT AROUND THE FUCKIN' THING)

[NosVette]

I would not worry about illegals invading the US..Have any of you guys been from TX to Cali through out that whole path it truly is Mexico you see the sign Spanish letters on top and the English letters below it.I see what people are talking about people trying to flee from a wreck if thats the case then let them suffer the consequences.On the other hand 85 % of illegals do the jobs most Americans wont and cant do and they do it for minimum wage.Do you think you can work from 5am to sunset in the brutal sun with no benefits for 300 bucks a week??These people do it for their family's thats the only reason they come over to the states(on most cases).The people you see crossing over are very poor people the dark skined people looking like native americans and the rich people in mexico are the white people(In reality their still Mexicans).Have you ever seen a mexican tv news report or sopoper how ever you spell it.All you see is white looking mexicans because they favor the Spain complexion.Even though mexico won their freedom "Cinco de Mayo"The families with Spanish backgrounds still remained dominant.Just a little something thought you would like to know next time you see a mexican in the street.

[big mac]

I would not worry about illegals invading the US..Have any of you guys been from TX to Cali through out that whole path it truly is Mexico you see the sign Spanish letters on top and the English letters below it.I see what people are talking about people trying to flee from a wreck if thats the case then let them suffer the consequences.On the other hand 85 % of illegals do the jobs most Americans wont and cant do and they do it for minimum wage.Do you think you can work from 5am to sunset in the brutal sun with no benefits for 300 bucks a week??These people do it for their family's thats the only reason they come over to the states(on most cases).The people you see crossing over are very poor people the dark skined people looking like native americans and the rich people in mexico are the white people(In reality their still Mexicans).Have you ever seen a mexican tv news report or sopoper how ever you spell it.All you see is white looking mexicans because they favor the Spain complexion.Even though mexico won their freedom "Cinco de Mayo"The families with Spanish backgrounds still remained dominant.Just a little something thought you would like to know next time you see a mexican in the street.

reps fpr you man bc that is true youll rarely see a white guy(not trying to be racist) cutting lawns for min. wage in 100 degree weather from 6 am till sunset. ever!

btw independece day is september 16. cinco de mayo is when mexico defeated france in a war

[BanginJimmy]

.On the other hand 85 % of illegals do the jobs most Americans wont and cant do and they do it for minimum wage.Do you think you can work from 5am to sunset in the brutal sun with no benefits for 300 bucks a week??These people do it for their family's thats the only reason they come over to the states(on most cases).

Have you ever thought that maybe those illegals are the ones driving down the wages for those jobs? Just like they are for just about every construction job in the country.

The people you see crossing over are very poor people the dark skined people looking like native americans and the rich people in mexico are the white people(In reality their still Mexicans).Have you ever seen a mexican tv news report or sopoper how ever you spell it.All you see is white looking mexicans because they favor the Spain complexion.Even though mexico won their freedom "Cinco de Mayo"The families with Spanish backgrounds still remained dominant.Just a little something thought you would like to know next time you see a mexican in the street.

I honestly could not care less what happens in Mexico, just keep it there.

[BanginJimmy]

the arizona law is unconstitutional....


art 1, section 8 of the constitution gives congress the express power to decide naturalization issues
since it's an explicit power, the states have no authority, even under the 9th and 10th amendments

The AZ law doesnt decide immigration or naturalization issues, it simply forced state agencies to actually enforce the federal law. Try reading the law and see if you can wrap your very simple mind around that simple point.

its not gonna do a goddamn thing...you want things to change? sit the fuck down and wait for it - nothing is going to happen anytime soon...
"omg illegal aliens are fuckin up the country...what are we gonna doo??????????? its so messed up n'junk"


grow up...there are those illegal fucks who should go back to their country, and there are those who are probably a more productive human-being than you are.
cobb, fulton, and gwinnett county are already doing what arizona is doing


and all theyre doing is wasting tax money on a stupid issue

I actually agree with you to a point. Until the border is closed, enforcement is a waste of money.

oh and you think ppl south of the border are laughing at THE UNITED FUCKIN STATES OF AMERICA??? THE LAND OF FREEDOM.... yeah they are
do we send more military personal down there? are they gonna stop the evil aliens from coming over to the UNITED STATES? nah... they aint haha i just think it's funny that so many people are going around saying, "oh we gotta get the military down there, we gotta put the military on the border, to close the border, to stop the drugs and border jumpers...."


the U.S. army has been letting these drug cartel guys smuggle drugs over the border ON MILITARY PLANES -- their favorite is the C-130


there was a marine colonel or something in that big-ass base in texas that i can't remember the name cause im a little high (El Toro or something....?)
who found out about this, tried to blow the whistle, but he ended up blowing into the ears of somebody in on it, and they fuckin' killed his ass and then covered it up.....

Just WOW.

BTW, El Toro was a small Marine air station located in Orange County Cali. There were no C-130's there, just helicopters.

You also might want to know that the Army doesnt own any C-130s. Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force only.

Just for shits and giggles, why dont you post up a reputable source for this though, I need a good laugh.

[Vteckidd]

On the other hand 85 % of illegals do the jobs most Americans wont and cant do and they do it for minimum wage.Do you think you can work from 5am to sunset in the brutal sun with no benefits for 300 bucks a week??These people do it for their family's thats the only reason they come over to the states(on most cases)

with that rationale then i gues we should start opening sweat shops right? why not, its cheap labor!

Its a double edged sword. I tend to agree with you that the "mexicans" are bringing prices down because they have something the american worker lost a long time ago and thats HARD WORK ETHIC. Our grandparents and parents had it, but not our generation. Mexican will work his ASS OFF to be paid a decent wage.

Americans are too entitled and too good to do that anymore.

On one hand, i see a benefit as its simply competition and its good for the market. Afterall most of the illegals are bonded or insured so they still have to be able to convince someone its a quality job.

On the other hand if we kick all illegals out, are we saying that the cost of THE JOBS THEY WERE DOING are going to rise? itsnt that the definition of inflation?

What would happen if overnight the cost of all flatscreen TVs increased 100%, 200%,300%? What about milk?

[sti_cham]

the arizona law is unconstitutional....


art 1, section 8 of the constitution gives congress the express power to decide naturalization issues
since it's an explicit power, the states have no authority, even under the 9th and 10th amendments

so keep on cryin kid


its not gonna do a goddamn thing...you want things to change? sit the fuck down and wait for it - nothing is going to happen anytime soon...
"omg illegal aliens are fuckin up the country...what are we gonna doo??????????? its so messed up n'junk"


grow up...there are those illegal fucks who should go back to their country, and there are those who are probably a more productive human-being than you are.
cobb, fulton, and gwinnett county are already doing what arizona is doing


and all theyre doing is wasting tax money on a stupid issue

last year gwinnett spent over $2 million dollars IN ONE MONTH - and only deported 8 or 900 illegal mexicans

how fuckin stupid does that sound to you?


oh and you think ppl south of the border are laughing at THE UNITED FUCKIN STATES OF AMERICA??? THE LAND OF FREEDOM.... yeah they are
do we send more military personal down there? are they gonna stop the evil aliens from coming over to the UNITED STATES? nah... they aint haha i just think it's funny that so many people are going around saying, "oh we gotta get the military down there, we gotta put the military on the border, to close the border, to stop the drugs and border jumpers...."


the U.S. army has been letting these drug cartel guys smuggle drugs over the border ON MILITARY PLANES -- their favorite is the C-130


there was a marine colonel or something in that big-ass base in texas that i can't remember the name cause im a little high (El Toro or something....?)
who found out about this, tried to blow the whistle, but he ended up blowing into the ears of somebody in on it, and they fuckin' killed his ass and then covered it up.....


so the idea that the military is gonna stop the drug trade, or anything else on the border is just a monument to stupidity....
its on the same order as building the Great Wall of China to keep out the Mongols

(for those who don't know mongolian history: the chinese spent hundreds of years building a 4,000 mile wall to keep the mongols out. so the mongols dried the tears of laughter from their eyes and LITERALLY WENT AROUND THE FUCKIN' THING)

Weed is for boarder jumpers. Put that away, have a little self-respect.
and you says the military is bringing in drugs with the Mexican cartels, it's race-related! Every problem in this country is race-related! Not just crime...it's immigration, AIDS, welfare! Those are problems of the black community, the Hispanic community, the Asian community! They're not white problems!
Alot of people say
Aren't those really issues that deal more with poverty?
No! They're not products of their environments! That's crap! Minorities don't give two shits about this country! They come here to exploit it, not to embrace it!

[NosVette]

reps fpr you man bc that is true youll rarely see a white guy(not trying to be racist) cutting lawns for min. wage in 100 degree weather from 6 am till sunset. ever!

btw independece day is september 16. cinco de mayo is when mexico defeated france in a war

lol I knew that wasnt the right history mark...I kept thinking of it when I went to sleep....

[bu villain]

Weed is for boarder jumpers. Put that away, have a little self-respect.
and you says the military is bringing in drugs with the Mexican cartels, it's race-related! Every problem in this country is race-related! Not just crime...it's immigration, AIDS, welfare! Those are problems of the black community, the Hispanic community, the Asian community! They're not white problems!
Alot of people say
Aren't those really issues that deal more with poverty?
No! They're not products of their environments! That's crap! Minorities don't give two shits about this country! They come here to exploit it, not to embrace it!

Every problem in this country is caused by non whites? I just have one question for you... does that white hood ever get itchy?.

[The Creeper]

LOL @ people thinking that Mexicans and other latin americans are the hardest working guys in the world. Have any of you stating this mess speaking from direct experience?

[Vteckidd]

When it comes to lower paying jobs I would say the concensus is Latinos work harder and longer than blacks and whites.

If they didn't then why do they have all the construction, landscaping jobs?