Arizona governor passes SB1070 law.....

[Vteckidd]

Weren't you all the ones who were saying it was wrong when the Dept. of Homeland security posted a bulletin that "profiled" militia members and possible domestic terrorists? I remember about a year ago you guys were all bitching about this:

http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf



Because you were all afraid that if one had checked out Atlas Shrugged from a library or had a Ron Paul bumper sticker they'd be sent to a FEMA camp. Or some shit. I guess what I'm getting at is that most of you who support profiling are OK with it unless it happens to you.

Ok lets cut all the bullshit out of this argument and get to the MEAT of the matter. YOu raise an interesting point but lets come back to that.

FACTS:
This bill SPECIFICALLY states that NO RACIAL PROFILING IS ALLOWED

THe only way the police can ask someone to prove citizenship is if they are stopped COMMITTING ANOTHER CRIME. THEY CANNOT WALK UP TO RANDOM PEOPLE AND SAY "SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS".

Obama made a remark yesterday about how if a family went to an ice cream store and forgot their papers they could be harrassed which i thought was not only ignorant, but totally misinformed. In his scenario the family would have to be stopped for robbing the ice cream store before they could be asked for papers. THEY MUST COMMIT ANOTHER CRIME OR GRIEVANCE FIRST.

Now, im sure the argument is going to be that lawmen will look for any reason to pull a "latino" over or something else just to ask his resident status. Well besides being completely unknown and its all speculation, what if he did? If you drive an import with wheels and exhaust i have been "profiled" before, having a cop tail me all the way from Turner field to PeachTree city WAITING for me to do something wrong so he could pull me over. Im sure it happens ALL THE TIME with all races, creeds, social groups, etc. Bottom line is if you are legal, you dont have ANYTHING to worry about.

So you might have to answer an extra question as a latino in Arizona if you get stopped in your work truck. So the fuck what? They arent going to torture you. You either prove you are a citizen or you arent. Then the argument is HOW DARE WE QUESTION LATINOS TO FIND OUT IF THEY ARE ILLEGAL THATS SO WRONG.

WHAT FUCKING COUNTRY DO YOU LIVE IN? Im sorry folks but the statistics DO NOT LIE. 12-20 MILLION people in the USA are here ILLEGALLY. 95% of them are latino. So im sorry its only COMMON FUCKING SENSE that LAtinos will be the most affected by this, as they are the habitual law breakers.

Again if you are legal you flash a green card and go on your way. If you arent, well you are caught, SAME AS ANY OTHER CRIME.

The difference in your argument BLender is those are American CITIZENS being targeted as Terrorist groups for nothing other than opposing the current administration. Now having said that, if they arent doing anything wrong they have nothing to worry about same as above. The govt KNOWS who is in these "militias" they know their immigration status. The purpose for this law is to root out the UNKNOWN, the people we DONT KNOW who are here.

I cant see how anyone can sympathize with not doing ANYTHING at all, or simply just making everyone legal. SO what they broke the law, who cares, lets just give them what they want.

Why should we shoulder the burden and responsibility for MEXICO and other latino countries? You realize what happens if you get caught in Mexico illegally right?

IMO there is an easy way to compromise this

Option 1
5 year Work Visa (if you work for 5 years, dont get convicted of a felony, pay your taxes, you get USA citizenship status) I think there should be a rule that any child born BEFORE citizenship status is not considered a citizen. They need to stop having 12 babies over here that mooch of our healthcare and other social programs.

Option 2
5 Years of military service (starship troopers style) gets you Citizenship.

Let them EARN IT, not just come here and take it. There are TONS of people that try to do it LEGALLY and now we are basically telling those people that they lose out because they didnt hop a border and claim racism.

This country is delusional

[Total_Blender]

So people like Timmy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Robert Rudolph, David Koresh, Jeffery Lundgren (google that sick bastard), the killers of Dr. George Tiller, the Hutaree Militia, etc etc are all just guilty of nothing other than opposing the administration? They don't exhibit any patterns in the ways that their extremist beliefs and recruiting processes lead to acts of violence, terrorism, and murder?

[Vteckidd]

So people like Timmy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Robert Rudolph, David Koresh, Jeffery Lundgren (google that sick bastard), the killers of Dr. George Tiller, the Hutaree Militia, etc etc are all just guilty of nothing other than opposing the administration? They don't exhibit any patterns in the ways that their extremist beliefs and recruiting processes lead to acts of violence, terrorism, and murder?

missed the point again.

The people that were mad about being "profiled" obviously we're doing anything wrong. I actually have no problem with homeland watching militia groups closely if they have good cause.

[bu villain]

Is there anyone here who thinks racial profiling is wrong but supports this bill?

[BanginJimmy]

Is there anyone here who thinks racial profiling is wrong but supports this bill?

How about if you dont believe profiling is wrong in ANY way? ALL forms of profiling work to narrow a suspect pool. If the purpose of a law is to help punish, not stop, illegals along the US-Mexico border I really dont see the point is checking the immigration status of the white or black guy. The same goes for looking for asian illegals along the US-Canada border, the whites and blacks arent really going to fit that scenario.

To bring this back to reality, I do believe that using profiling as your ONLY method to narrow down the suspect pools is not only wrong, but a complete waste of resources and time. In this case, if the person the cop talks to speaks fluent english, has a valid license, and doesnt seem at all nervous, I see no reason for him to do anything more than he would be in any other case.

Will this law be abused? Yes, it will by some, just like ANY other law of this type. Should this vast minority prevent AZ or other states from writing and enforcing these types of laws? Never. For the last 40+ years the federal govt has made nothing more than a couple token attempts at securing the border. Until there is a serious effort made to close it, no law by any state or the fed govt will do anything.

[BanginJimmy]

So people like Timmy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, Eric Robert Rudolph, David Koresh, Jeffery Lundgren (google that sick bastard), the killers of Dr. George Tiller, the Hutaree Militia, etc etc are all just guilty of nothing other than opposing the administration? They don't exhibit any patterns in the ways that their extremist beliefs and recruiting processes lead to acts of violence, terrorism, and murder?

You forgot the Weather Underground, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, and the environmental movement in your list. All of these have displayed as many or more acts of terrorism in this country than any militia, yet none of these groups have been singled out and villified like military vets have.

[Vteckidd]

You forgot the Weather Underground, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, and the environmental movement in your list. All of these have displayed as many or more acts of terrorism in this country than any militia, yet none of these groups have been singled out and villified like military vets have.

[Total_Blender]

You forgot the Weather Underground, Black Panthers, Nation of Islam, and the environmental movement in your list. All of these have displayed as many or more acts of terrorism in this country than any militia, yet none of these groups have been singled out and villified like military vets have.

You assume none of the left wing groups have former vets. Many of the Black Panthers etc. were vets from Vietnam.

Also, your point about "not checking the black guy or the white guy," you should know that not all "Latinos" are brown (aka Mestizos). There are lots of Blacks in Cuba, also Panama and Brazil. And there are more European looking people in certain places where the colonial expats still have large communities like Argentina and Venezuela. Also, another big part of border security is drugs and I think all races are involved in the drug trade, especially Whites.

[BanginJimmy]

You assume none of the left wing groups have former vets. Many of the Black Panthers etc. were vets from Vietnam.

Also, your point about "not checking the black guy or the white guy," you should know that not all "Latinos" are brown (aka Mestizos). There are lots of Blacks in Cuba, also Panama and Brazil. And there are more European looking people in certain places where the colonial expats still have large communities like Argentina and Venezuela. Also, another big part of border security is drugs and I think all races are involved in the drug trade, especially Whites.

I agree with you completely, but 90%+ of those that are coming over here illegally are latino and we both know it. As far as the drug trade goes, we also agree. Before we do any kind of immigration reform, read amnesty, the border has to be locked down. We already have a large standing army plus 10's of thousands more in the national guard. It would be a minimum cost to use those units to shut down the border. It would also be good training time for those units. All services fly helicopters that can carry the equipment to look down at the desert to locate people that are sneaking in. Navy, Marine Corps and Air Force all fly C-130's and/or P-3's also. It would not take many of them to watch all 2k miles of the border from 40k feet.

[ash7]

,,,Option 2
5 Years of military service (starship troopers style) gets you Citizenship.

statements like this are definitely what's up.



I applaud Arizona for passing this bill, applaud Texas for saying "we want that too," and can't wait for other states to follow.

-jonathan