Ok lets cut all the bullshit out of this argument and get to the MEAT of the matter. YOu raise an interesting point but lets come back to that.Originally Posted by Total_Blender
Weren't you all the ones who were saying it was wrong when the Dept. of Homeland security posted a bulletin that "profiled" militia members and possible domestic terrorists? I remember about a year ago you guys were all bitching about this:
http://www.fas.org/irp/eprint/rightwing.pdf
Because you were all afraid that if one had checked out Atlas Shrugged from a library or had a Ron Paul bumper sticker they'd be sent to a FEMA camp. Or some shit. I guess what I'm getting at is that most of you who support profiling are OK with it unless it happens to you.
FACTS:
This bill SPECIFICALLY states that NO RACIAL PROFILING IS ALLOWED
THe only way the police can ask someone to prove citizenship is if they are stopped COMMITTING ANOTHER CRIME. THEY CANNOT WALK UP TO RANDOM PEOPLE AND SAY "SHOW ME YOUR PAPERS".
Obama made a remark yesterday about how if a family went to an ice cream store and forgot their papers they could be harrassed which i thought was not only ignorant, but totally misinformed. In his scenario the family would have to be stopped for robbing the ice cream store before they could be asked for papers. THEY MUST COMMIT ANOTHER CRIME OR GRIEVANCE FIRST.
Now, im sure the argument is going to be that lawmen will look for any reason to pull a "latino" over or something else just to ask his resident status. Well besides being completely unknown and its all speculation, what if he did? If you drive an import with wheels and exhaust i have been "profiled" before, having a cop tail me all the way from Turner field to PeachTree city WAITING for me to do something wrong so he could pull me over. Im sure it happens ALL THE TIME with all races, creeds, social groups, etc. Bottom line is if you are legal, you dont have ANYTHING to worry about.
So you might have to answer an extra question as a latino in Arizona if you get stopped in your work truck. So the fuck what? They arent going to torture you. You either prove you are a citizen or you arent. Then the argument is HOW DARE WE QUESTION LATINOS TO FIND OUT IF THEY ARE ILLEGAL THATS SO WRONG.
WHAT FUCKING COUNTRY DO YOU LIVE IN? Im sorry folks but the statistics DO NOT LIE. 12-20 MILLION people in the USA are here ILLEGALLY. 95% of them are latino. So im sorry its only COMMON FUCKING SENSE that LAtinos will be the most affected by this, as they are the habitual law breakers.
Again if you are legal you flash a green card and go on your way. If you arent, well you are caught, SAME AS ANY OTHER CRIME.
The difference in your argument BLender is those are American CITIZENS being targeted as Terrorist groups for nothing other than opposing the current administration. Now having said that, if they arent doing anything wrong they have nothing to worry about same as above. The govt KNOWS who is in these "militias" they know their immigration status. The purpose for this law is to root out the UNKNOWN, the people we DONT KNOW who are here.
I cant see how anyone can sympathize with not doing ANYTHING at all, or simply just making everyone legal. SO what they broke the law, who cares, lets just give them what they want.
Why should we shoulder the burden and responsibility for MEXICO and other latino countries? You realize what happens if you get caught in Mexico illegally right?
IMO there is an easy way to compromise this
Option 1
5 year Work Visa (if you work for 5 years, dont get convicted of a felony, pay your taxes, you get USA citizenship status) I think there should be a rule that any child born BEFORE citizenship status is not considered a citizen. They need to stop having 12 babies over here that mooch of our healthcare and other social programs.
Option 2
5 Years of military service (starship troopers style) gets you Citizenship.
Let them EARN IT, not just come here and take it. There are TONS of people that try to do it LEGALLY and now we are basically telling those people that they lose out because they didnt hop a border and claim racism.
This country is delusional
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