should have went the other way pizza boy! roads closed!
should have went the other way pizza boy! roads closed!
Thing is, a white boy wouldn't say that because it is a derogatory commentOriginally Posted by AirMax95
racism will never end cause there are idiots that continue to teach it to their young ones and so on and so on
you did the right thing by just letting it go and setting the example so props to you man
ill rep ya tomorrow cause im out of them for this 24hrs
I can agree 100% here. In that case letting it go is cool. Fuck the guy if he has issues, but if he had said "i'm not living with a punk ass white boy", I would hope something is said. Sure you can't arrest him, but he would have gotten some words. I dealt with SO MUCH SHIT at Georgia Southern, but only 2 personal instances really got under my skin and caused me to boil over.
I could care less about the race card, unless there is obvious abuse going on. One person comes to mind, Rush Limbaugh. He toots his "freedom of speech" in a negative connotation all the time. He slams all that is not white with racial slurs, even Obama. Al Sharpton has a similar demeanor, but he does not use slurs against people, he just calls all unjust acts racism.
Until America gets to the point where a houshold can educate their children properly on race, and why racism/bigotry/predjudice are NOT POSITIVE, then idiots will continue to flourish.
/end 2nd rant of the day in between data dumps
I seriously don't hope you believe that to be true!
You could have done something. You chose not to. How is that double standard? Later, QD.
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I can agree 100% here. In that case letting it go is cool. Fuck the guy if he has issues, but if he had said "i'm not living with a punk ass white boy", I would hope something is said. Sure you can't arrest him, but he would have gotten some words. I dealt with SO MUCH SHIT at Georgia Southern, but only 2 personal instances really got under my skin and caused me to boil over.
I could care less about the race card, unless there is obvious abuse going on. One person comes to mind, Rush Limbaugh. He toots his "freedom of speech" in a negative connotation all the time. He slams all that is not white with racial slurs, even Obama. Al Sharpton has a similar demeanor, but he does not use slurs against people, he just calls all unjust acts racism.
Until America gets to the point where a houshold can educate their children properly on race, and why racism/bigotry/predjudice are NOT POSITIVE, then idiots will continue to flourish.
/end 2nd rant of the day in between data dumps
Thing is man, just because YOU yourself, don't play the race card, which is awesome, but a lot of people do, and not just black people. So even though you are above all that, which is great, a lot of people aren't.
In the connotation used, it was.
That's the problem. Later, QD.
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So what do we do about it?
My boyfriend is better than you...
People don't know how to fix it, they just know how to complain about it!
It's an easy fix. Just no one wants to do it because they think that doing so will mean they have forgotten their past. Later, QD.
wonder if you'll respond to this post.
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Theres a difference between "forgetting it" and moving beyond it. And moving beyond it has as much to do with White people learning to deal with what they see as "oh noes... reverse racism!!1" as it does Black people and their history with racism.
The issue has as much do do with Rush Limbaugh and his ilk as it does Al Sharpton. When both of these idiots fail to draw attention, then we're getting somewhere. White people need to stop perpetuating the myth that we live in a "post racism society" and have an open dialogue about race, rather than the current strategy of smiply denying the issues exist.
Wow, you finally said something I don't disagree with. Good point
I was being sarcastic. A lot of black folks don't want to just "shut up" about racism and just let it go. They say they don't want to forget about their past. I say it's not their past, but their ancestor's past and that just because you don't talk about it and work towards a better future, doesn't mean you forget the past.
And Justin, I called it didn't I? Later, QD.
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I don't think we have reached the point just yet where we can "just let it go". Theres a certain percentage of the country that cannot handle having a capable, competent Black man in a leadership role. I'm not saying that racism is the only source or reason behind the opposition to Obama, but I do know that many of his most vocal critics I have spoken to on the Right didn't protest this much when the Clinton's were talking healthcare. And I don't remember any posters of previous presidents photoshopped into African garb with bones through their noses.
Well there goes my one agreement with you. I knew it wouldn't last too long.
I need to know what "capable, competent, black man" you are talking about before I will comment.
I would also like to see your source for the "certain percentage".
Clintons healthcare bill never got as far as this one, and honestly, there are a hell of a lot more people talking politics now than ever.
It man also have something to do with quadrupling of the deficit with the run away spending. It may be that every speech he gives outside of the US he degrades this country, just look at his speech to the UN.
Plenty of presidents have been photoshopped. Why would they not use an african theme for them? He does use the PC description of himself as a AFRICAN-American, whatever the hell that BS means.
how did u gather that black opinion from me? maybe u didnt fully read what i wrote. maybe i am misunderstanding your post but i said i dont give a fuck about racism because its always there. i am black and i laugh at it and keep it moving. i dont have time to worry about ignorant ass people.
My comment had nothing to do with Obama, more so than addressing why people won't let racism die.
Although I do think that racism has been brought out more to the forefront because of the election of the man. Black folks are quick to label anything negative a white man says about Obama as racist.
It's hard to talk about because it just doesn't make sense to me. I stress and stress equality and pro-mankind to my oldest children especially because they are of mixed races. I have them embrace their black and Japanese heritages as well as their white one. I help learn them of the past of the people they derive from. As far as I can tell, they've learned very well. Later, QD.
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a white boy wouldnt say a derogatory comment? wtf s going on in this thread? EVERY RACE SAYS FUCKED UP SHIT.
how about we all stop being so damn sensitive about race? Its words!!!! until i get jumped by the KKK or Neo Nazis, i dont have shit to complain about. ppl are always going to put u down based on race. damn a white person called me a ******. boohoo call jesse jackson. im not gonna cry about something that really dont hurt me. now touch me physically and tahts different. but a ignorant person yelling/saying/mouthing an epithet, so what. its nothing to figh over, and nothig to be upseta bout. laugh at their stupidity bcause they r the ones wasting their entire life being mad at a race that is NOT GOING ANYWHERE. WHITE OR BLACK or whatever race is beinghated on.
thank god u said that. cuz if all blacks r african Americans, then all white people are european americans. its stupid. i was born here in the us. I am black and american. the end.
Well since you asked for a source....
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=356529
I'm sure there are more... I'm not sure exactly how many tea party participants are racists as "are you a racist" is something thats difficult to poll. On my very short trip to Stormfront to get that quote for you, however, I did see that they have a sub-forum specifically for Tea Party discussion. I'm not saying... I'm just saying.
As far as the African American designation... it refers to W.E.B. DuBois' writing on double consciousness that I have posted and no one comprehended.
If you want to call yourself a caucasian, European American, a White Nationalist, or whatever else... thats up to you.
If you want to tell people to "get over it" and to "let racism die" and any other potentially condescending mantra your heart desires, I have posted some hyper-links above where you could start.
I'd like to know, honestly, why you won't/don't/whatever let racism die? It seems like t would be a miserable way to live to keep living worrying about what others say.
If you want to tell people to "get over it" and to "let racism die" and any other potentially condescending mantra your heart desires, I have posted some hyper-links above where you could start.
And I want to know why YOU won't let it die. Not sources or other people. Your reasoning as your own person.
And I ask this legitimately. My oldest daughter is mixed with a black lady and my oldest son is mixed with a Japanese lady so I am as open minded as you can get as far as this goes. Later, QD.
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Well since you asked for a source....
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/showthread.php?t=356529
I'm sure there are more... I'm not sure exactly how many tea party participants are racists as "are you a racist" is something thats difficult to poll. On my very short trip to Stormfront to get that quote for you, however, I did see that they have a sub-forum specifically for Tea Party discussion. I'm not saying... I'm just saying.
As far as the African American designation... it refers to W.E.B. DuBois' writing on double consciousness that I have posted and no one comprehended.
If you want to call yourself a caucasian, European American, a White Nationalist, or whatever else... thats up to you.
If you want to tell people to "get over it" and to "let racism die" and any other potentially condescending mantra your heart desires, I have posted some hyper-links above where you could start.
you are actually going to use stormfront as your source?
Hell, if we are going to use nut jobs as a source, I gues i can use theobamaforum.com to show the real intelligence of his followers.
For example.
1. http://www.theobamaforum.com/showthread.php?t=1819
The truely sad thing is that people only see what they want to see.
If you want to stamp out racism, start with people like this. Then again, we already know you agree with them. http://www.theobamaforum.com/showthread.php?t=11418
I think that all people should engage racism wherever they find it. Blacks should work among themselves to fight racism within their own culture, and Whites should work to fight the racism within our culture. Whites should recognize that even though slavery ended in 1865, afterward Blacks continued to face a struggle with disenfranchisement, poverty, and exploitation. It is only recent history within which Blacks were guaranteed their civil rights, and factors leading to underachievement among Blacks can be directly traced to the inequalities of the past.
I think that we still have a way to go until equality among the races is realized, and to that effect we need to examine things like poor performance among predominantly Black inner city schools and the socialogical factors as to why these schools do not perform to the same standard as predominantly White schools. The same with poverty among minorities. In areas where data shows disadvantages along racial lines, we should do what we can (within reason) to assist in making things equal.
The thing is is that this is such an easy fix, yet no one wants to do it...for some reason. All one has to do is realize that all races are still people. And all people are/should be treated equally.
I agree in that everyone should help make everywhere a safe, equal environment for everyone. Schools, the workplace, everywhere should be coexistent. When my grandparents first moved into the house I'm in now, it was 100% white. This was THE neighborhood to live in. Now, 35 years later, it is probably about 50-60% black. I moved back in here and the neighborhood as far as quality was still the same as it had been for the past 35 years. A few other long time residents had their homes for sale and they told me specifically because of all the black folks moving in. They live by the "there goes the neighborhood" credo when the black folks started coming in. Yet the neighborhood went nowhere. It's still just perfect and peaceful as it was growing up in here.
I don't know, man. I just think people live to make other people (and their own damn selves) miserable. Later, QD.
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I agree with you, just because someone moves in is culturally diverse, doesn't mean that the neighborhood is going down.
I do want to point out that you mentioned some of the people who have been there 35 years wer selling their houses for the reason that black people have been moving in.
Honestly, that generation view things differently, and although a lot of younger people still facilitate hate and racism, it is getting a lot better with each generation.
Rome wasn't built in a day, and equality is getting better, and does with each generation. We are still a long way off where things should be, but we have also come a long way from the 1940's and 50's.
Wow that is pure fucked up!
which part?
It's interesting to see some of the posts that claim white people feel this way about racism while black people feel that way. Such statements are racist in themselves since you are stating that all blacks/whites feel the same as every other person in their race.
The fact of the matter is all races have racists within them and all races have a variety of different feelings on how it should be handled. We shouldn't ignore racism against anyone...period...it should be condemned. Of course, its not always clear when racism is occuring which leads to disputes.
In regards to the original post, racism against a white person does not excuse or justify racism against black people. Just because the OP handled his situation maturely and SOME people (regardless of race) would not doesn't say anything except about the two people involved in that particular incident. Please don't try to turn it into "look how mature white people are with racism while black people are immature hypocrits." It's not going to make anything better.
BTW, I am not specifically talking about anyone in this thread.
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That's what I got from majority of this thread.
Mike that is far from the truth, what you are responding to here is no different than when someone says blacks need to get over slavery (which I have heard from a few people in this thread) like racism doesn't exist. It absolutely does on both sides, the dude who disrespected you needs to be pulled to the side and corrected. You making this thread helps because it opens up dialog about the subject but people make a mockery of this subject anyway which is why progress on race is slow.
You, it seems, like most other black folks I talk to about this, take this way out of context. You look for at me saying that pessimistically. Folks don't take the time to think through and think about what I'm saying. You see it word for word, don't think about it and form your own conclusion to what I am REALLY saying. I understand the sensitivity of the subject, but everyone needs to sit back and look at all angles.
That's a problem too. And it surprises me on you because I know you're a smart dude and it seems like you would think things through. Later, QD.
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I disagree. Progress is slow because you constantly have someone (race doesnt matter, agenda does) dropping the race card. You can look at the news any day for the last 6 months and you see someone else saying race is why people hate Obama (only using this as an example because we are in the politics section). After that, you have the media giving legitimacy to the baseless claims by even reporting on it. Then you have people calling it the BS that it is, and they are dumped on as being a racist or an uncle tom. It goes back and forth all the time.
Then we can get into organizations and websites like stormfront and the nbpp. Neither of these organizations serve a legitimate purpose, yet we as a nation constantly give them the legitimacy they crave. Obama did it when he accepted their endorsement, then again when he pardoned the 3 that were at the polls in Philly. On the other side, Strom Thurmond validated the white nationalist movement on a fairly routine basis.
Race means absolutely nothing to 99.99% of the people in this country. Until people actually start living their lives with that knowledge, progress will NEVER be made.
^^^ I agree that calling out racism when there is none marginalizes legitimate racism issues. But we can't let those times stop us from addressing when there is actual racism. Additionally there is some grey areas where someone's motivations are not always clear so we should try to reserve judgement in those cases until we have as many facts as possible.
Take for example the issue of to what extent do blacks have a harder path to success than whites. From what I can tell, on some instances they may have an easier path at times due to political correctness, affirmative action type programs, quotas and whatnot. But in others they may have a harder path, blatant racism, subliminal racism, peer pressure not to appear "white" etc. There is plenty of evidence for both sides so to speak so absolutely about all black people's having an equal/unequal path to success is misguided.
While I seriously doubt the legitimacy of your statistic. I've had many experiences where people say they have no problems with other races and anyone who knew them would agree they are even the exact opposite of racist, almost everyone at some point says something that is racist. People don't even realize they hold a racist belief much of the time. "Black people are great athletes", "white people are more timid", etc. However, I absolutely agree that you should never assume someone is being racist without strong evidence to the contrary.
There is a difference between racism and stereotyping. Saying "black people are great athletes" is a stereotype. Not a racist comment. Later, QD.
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Technically you are correct. Racism is about believing that race determines traits/capabilities of a person. But stereotypes such as these are often (though not always) born out of racism even if it is not conscious racism. Black people are naturally good runners (racist) which is why they are so good at sports (stereotype).
Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. It has nothing to do with abilities.
All of your examples are stereotyping, not racism.
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