x3. Later, QD.Originally Posted by Vteckidd
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how did u gather that black opinion from me? maybe u didnt fully read what i wrote. maybe i am misunderstanding your post but i said i dont give a fuck about racism because its always there. i am black and i laugh at it and keep it moving. i dont have time to worry about ignorant ass people.
Mike that is far from the truth, what you are responding to here is no different than when someone says blacks need to get over slavery (which I have heard from a few people in this thread) like racism doesn't exist. It absolutely does on both sides, the dude who disrespected you needs to be pulled to the side and corrected. You making this thread helps because it opens up dialog about the subject but people make a mockery of this subject anyway which is why progress on race is slow.
You, it seems, like most other black folks I talk to about this, take this way out of context. You look for at me saying that pessimistically. Folks don't take the time to think through and think about what I'm saying. You see it word for word, don't think about it and form your own conclusion to what I am REALLY saying. I understand the sensitivity of the subject, but everyone needs to sit back and look at all angles.
That's a problem too. And it surprises me on you because I know you're a smart dude and it seems like you would think things through. Later, QD.
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I disagree. Progress is slow because you constantly have someone (race doesnt matter, agenda does) dropping the race card. You can look at the news any day for the last 6 months and you see someone else saying race is why people hate Obama (only using this as an example because we are in the politics section). After that, you have the media giving legitimacy to the baseless claims by even reporting on it. Then you have people calling it the BS that it is, and they are dumped on as being a racist or an uncle tom. It goes back and forth all the time.
Then we can get into organizations and websites like stormfront and the nbpp. Neither of these organizations serve a legitimate purpose, yet we as a nation constantly give them the legitimacy they crave. Obama did it when he accepted their endorsement, then again when he pardoned the 3 that were at the polls in Philly. On the other side, Strom Thurmond validated the white nationalist movement on a fairly routine basis.
Race means absolutely nothing to 99.99% of the people in this country. Until people actually start living their lives with that knowledge, progress will NEVER be made.
^^^ I agree that calling out racism when there is none marginalizes legitimate racism issues. But we can't let those times stop us from addressing when there is actual racism. Additionally there is some grey areas where someone's motivations are not always clear so we should try to reserve judgement in those cases until we have as many facts as possible.
Take for example the issue of to what extent do blacks have a harder path to success than whites. From what I can tell, on some instances they may have an easier path at times due to political correctness, affirmative action type programs, quotas and whatnot. But in others they may have a harder path, blatant racism, subliminal racism, peer pressure not to appear "white" etc. There is plenty of evidence for both sides so to speak so absolutely about all black people's having an equal/unequal path to success is misguided.
While I seriously doubt the legitimacy of your statistic. I've had many experiences where people say they have no problems with other races and anyone who knew them would agree they are even the exact opposite of racist, almost everyone at some point says something that is racist. People don't even realize they hold a racist belief much of the time. "Black people are great athletes", "white people are more timid", etc. However, I absolutely agree that you should never assume someone is being racist without strong evidence to the contrary.
There is a difference between racism and stereotyping. Saying "black people are great athletes" is a stereotype. Not a racist comment. Later, QD.
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I'ts just a doube standard that we as european-americans (that's my new term instead of white), have to sit back when we are treated with racism also.
Let me share a story, several years ago, my first year at Ga. Southern, I moved into an apartment complex that did roommate matching. Well they tried to pair me up with a black guy, he came down to the office to meet me, walked in, looked at me, then said, "Hell naw man, this ain't gonna work", then he walked out, left me and the leasing agent standing there.
Guess what, there was NOTHING I could do about that, but if the shoe was on the other foot, it would have been a big deal.
SON OF A BITCH......Justin this is Tereance that had the green Accord. IIRC you had the purple Altima and lived in Garden District!
You could have done something. You chose not to. How is that double standard? Later, QD.
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racism will never end cause there are idiots that continue to teach it to their young ones and so on and so on
you did the right thing by just letting it go and setting the example so props to you man
ill rep ya tomorrow cause im out of them for this 24hrs
racism will never end cause there are idiots that continue to teach it to their young ones and so on and so on
you did the right thing by just letting it go and setting the example so props to you man
ill rep ya tomorrow cause im out of them for this 24hrs
I can agree 100% here. In that case letting it go is cool. Fuck the guy if he has issues, but if he had said "i'm not living with a punk ass white boy", I would hope something is said. Sure you can't arrest him, but he would have gotten some words. I dealt with SO MUCH SHIT at Georgia Southern, but only 2 personal instances really got under my skin and caused me to boil over.
I could care less about the race card, unless there is obvious abuse going on. One person comes to mind, Rush Limbaugh. He toots his "freedom of speech" in a negative connotation all the time. He slams all that is not white with racial slurs, even Obama. Al Sharpton has a similar demeanor, but he does not use slurs against people, he just calls all unjust acts racism.
Until America gets to the point where a houshold can educate their children properly on race, and why racism/bigotry/predjudice are NOT POSITIVE, then idiots will continue to flourish.
/end 2nd rant of the day in between data dumps
I can agree 100% here. In that case letting it go is cool. Fuck the guy if he has issues, but if he had said "i'm not living with a punk ass white boy", I would hope something is said. Sure you can't arrest him, but he would have gotten some words. I dealt with SO MUCH SHIT at Georgia Southern, but only 2 personal instances really got under my skin and caused me to boil over.
I could care less about the race card, unless there is obvious abuse going on. One person comes to mind, Rush Limbaugh. He toots his "freedom of speech" in a negative connotation all the time. He slams all that is not white with racial slurs, even Obama. Al Sharpton has a similar demeanor, but he does not use slurs against people, he just calls all unjust acts racism.
Until America gets to the point where a houshold can educate their children properly on race, and why racism/bigotry/predjudice are NOT POSITIVE, then idiots will continue to flourish.
/end 2nd rant of the day in between data dumps
Thing is man, just because YOU yourself, don't play the race card, which is awesome, but a lot of people do, and not just black people. So even though you are above all that, which is great, a lot of people aren't.
That's the problem. Later, QD.
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So what do we do about it?
My boyfriend is better than you...
should have went the other way pizza boy! roads closed!
Wow that is pure fucked up!
which part?
It's interesting to see some of the posts that claim white people feel this way about racism while black people feel that way. Such statements are racist in themselves since you are stating that all blacks/whites feel the same as every other person in their race.
The fact of the matter is all races have racists within them and all races have a variety of different feelings on how it should be handled. We shouldn't ignore racism against anyone...period...it should be condemned. Of course, its not always clear when racism is occuring which leads to disputes.
In regards to the original post, racism against a white person does not excuse or justify racism against black people. Just because the OP handled his situation maturely and SOME people (regardless of race) would not doesn't say anything except about the two people involved in that particular incident. Please don't try to turn it into "look how mature white people are with racism while black people are immature hypocrits." It's not going to make anything better.
BTW, I am not specifically talking about anyone in this thread.
That's what I got from majority of this thread.
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Jimmy,
You know you and I are pretty much always on the same page, it could be possible that I am just misinterpreting what I am reading
I think you said it right when you mentioned prejudices, but prejudice is just as ignorant as racism.
I agree completely.
uhh wow, its gotten crazy in here. im gonna post my points and take my ass to sleep.
im a black guy. i am by no means a racist. most of my closest friends are white and so is my girlfriend. if i get into an argument on the road and its a white guy chances are im gonna say something like punk ass white boy. am i sayin this out of hate for the white community? do i hate white ppl and the leader of the black panthers now? no. in this case i beleive u could have said anything and the guy would have wanted to fight. you coulda been black and the outcome would still be the same. i dont see y ur so hurt about this comment and dont say ur not cuz if u wasnt it would have been eating at you so bad to where u had to make a thread of your "racist" experience. shit the way i see it there wont be any black or whites 100 years from now cuz im fukn farmer johns daughter and shes having my baby:idb:
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Damn, Tony. I hate when you ignore my posts. Later, QD.
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VTECKIDD...in all seriousness....what's your point? don't get me wrong, while i understand that this is a 'legitimate' issue, it's apparent that you're only digging for something negative. hell...it took you a few pages/post to get someone to "say what you're looking for" (your words...not mine).
you don't give a damn about racism as a topic or discussion. you only wish to perpetuate the issue, by joining the same group (black & white) that you pretend to have such disdain for. you said it yourself, you were looking for the attention of [black] people on this forum who have complaints about racism towards black people.
while i do agree that knowledge starts with ignorance....you're pushing the envelope, and it's a little insulting.
I think we should start a new thread with a new topic.
Maybe something about how the flood is being handled. Maybe I will start that if I get a few extra minutes.
I'm not going to respond to the comments on racism versus stereotyping in effort to keep on topic. Instead I will rephrase my idea in a hopefully unambiguous way...
Enough people (of pretty much every race) have at least some racist/stereotypical/etc viewpoints, often unconsciously, to have an effect on the opportunities of an individuals success. The effect is not the same for all races or on all individuals within that race.
Racism is such a thing of the past now-a-days. we dont have segregation anymore, we dont have slavery. Its just like hitler in germany ( kind of ) its just best too not talk about it. but while were on the subject why in school do they have the asian club, or the black club, what about the united negro foundation? those are racist organizations that when it comes to the bottom line they judge by race. if i were to start a white club it would automatically be labeled as racism but you still have the asain club and there not considered racist. why is this? because its a bullshit subject that is 40 yrs old. time too move on..
and as for the word ******. i know it was slang back in the slave days as a insult to the black race but why do young black men say it all the time. if your so offended by the word then you shouldnt promote it you dumb fuck words have the same meanings no matter whos mouth they come out of.
I remember asking the same question to group of black boys when i was riding the bus, they kept saying it over and over after every sentence so i turned around and asked if its so offensive why do you call each other by that name and why is it so different for me too say it...you know what there response was...cause im black and your white...needless to say i ended up getting into a couple fights that school year because everyone thought i was racist...my best friend was black how could i had been racist? im done with this subject its stupid anyways
Read history. In regards to "black clubs" - Black Student Alliance, NPHC, BGLO's, NSBE, NABA, etc.......all started because at the time, white socities did not allow african american/black participation. Black fraternities, black universities, black gov't all started becuase whites did not allow black folks. There is no racism in those orgs; never have they turned away any other race, creed, or color for admission. They don't feel they are better, they do not spread hate, they don't really give two shits. What they DO care about it uplifting people, community service, youth empowerment, and ensuring people had a brotherhood/sisterhood where they were accepted.
Still to this day, if a black person trys to join a few of the "white" social/greek frat/soror, they are 1) turned away on BS, 2) accepted, which leads to national headquarters shunning the chapter.
There is a difference, but people fail to understand cultures, and why certain things are they way they are. Starting a "White" something is being ignorant and not looking as to the reasons why black, asian, hispanic groups were formed.
your right about the creation of the organization but if a white person tried to join that group the same thing would happen, which is why i said racism is bullshit to begin with.
and why dont they change the name? black people have the same opportunities as anyone else why should there be a united negro foundation why dont they change it too united people foundation? because they believe that blacks should only be allowed to use the fund this is racism plan and simple we dont live in the 60s no more. there is not need for a united negro foundation or any race oriented group when you have colleges that already provide funds for anyone.
no matter what you can not deny that those organizations are considered racist and if i tried to join a black club they would say no, why because im white. racism pure and simple. now there is a fine line between Nazism and racist
Nazism is groups like the KKK, or obviously the nazi party. both think they are superior to other races
Racism is discrimination , judgment, and categorizing of people by skin color.
Im sorry but any group that turns someone away because of skin color is a racially ran organization . that includes every asian club, latino club, all of them are racist. and will always be considered racist, because they categorize people by skin color and will only allow that certain skin tone to be admitted into the organization. that is what i like to call blind racism, they dont see how racist they are
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Twist the question, why SHOULD it be changed?
i was saying if they dont want to be considered a racist group change the name, and hey if you think im sexy thanks man i feel better about my self..
you child beater!
Not true.....Whites and hispanics have joined the NAACP, National Society of Black Engineers, Black Greek Letter Organization, etc.....
You are assuming sir, and you clearly do not understand racism.
Let me school you just a little bit more:
Q: Does UNCF only support African American education?
A:UNCF was founded to address inequities in the educational opportunities afforded to African Americans. UNCF believes in higher education opportunities for all Americans. UNCF-member schools do not discriminate and UNCF-administered scholarships are open to all.
Q: What is the relationship between UNCF and its member colleges?
A: UNCF was founded by the presidents of private historically black colleges and universities (HBCUs) to make a collective appeal for support to the nation on their behalf. Today, 39 HBCUs belong to UNCF. UNCF provides member institutions with operating support that (a) enables them to keep academic programs strong and tuitions affordable, and (b) provides last-dollar scholarships to help students overcome the financial barriers to attending college.
Q: Do students have to attend a UNCF-member college to receive financial support?
A:No. UNCF provides support to students at approximately 900 colleges across the country—including almost all public and private historically black colleges and universities—and other schools including Harvard, Princeton and MIT.
You see, I have been down this road, discuss it everyday, and have argued both sides because at one point I did not understand. Anyone can access all "black" orgs and societies.
The extreme is the New Black Panther Party (like the KKK), and orgs like it. If you ain't black you are not getting in, and if you are not black enough you aint getting in, lol.
Seriously, research the countless articles and discussion on the topic. The names of these historical institutions, socities and funds will not change due to what they stand for.
Perception based off ignorance of the subject at hand......i was saying if they dont want to be considered a racist group change the name, and hey if you think im sexy thanks man i feel better about my self..
you child beater!
Very true, and I seriously doubt a White person who really wanted to associate with these groups would be turned away. This person, of course, would probably have to approach said group in good faith and not in the spirit of being condescending/trying to prove a point.
And most of these groups that I have seen are all about being open to other races. The ones here on campus are always having events that are open to all. Most of these events have food, movies, art, etc and its usually free.
This is a topic that always gets brought up during these discussions... "how come Blacks can have Black ______ ". And really, these things are not about having a group thats "Blacks Only," as much as they are about having a forum that addresses concerns unique to the Black experience. I know there are a lot of historically Black colleges that are now admitting White students.
Yessir. I can't count how many seminars I've been to over at the AUC in Spelman and Morehouse. Saw a few white folks, but it was few and far between that were students. Later, QD.
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From what I have studied, they always have. Like you said, the person has to inquire and want it.
So if someone says "That man is sexy", it has the same meaning to you whether or not they are a man or a woman? "Crying children should be beat" should be responded to the same way whether a teenage or a parent of a young child says it? The person making a statement and the context of the situation cannot be removed from interpretation.
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