^thats the response i was looking for.
White people - Just get over it
Black people- How dare a white person do it to you, gross violation of your rights.
Thats pretty much what i gathered
^thats the response i was looking for.
White people - Just get over it
Black people- How dare a white person do it to you, gross violation of your rights.
Thats pretty much what i gathered
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x3. Later, QD.
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how did u gather that black opinion from me? maybe u didnt fully read what i wrote. maybe i am misunderstanding your post but i said i dont give a fuck about racism because its always there. i am black and i laugh at it and keep it moving. i dont have time to worry about ignorant ass people.
Mike that is far from the truth, what you are responding to here is no different than when someone says blacks need to get over slavery (which I have heard from a few people in this thread) like racism doesn't exist. It absolutely does on both sides, the dude who disrespected you needs to be pulled to the side and corrected. You making this thread helps because it opens up dialog about the subject but people make a mockery of this subject anyway which is why progress on race is slow.
You, it seems, like most other black folks I talk to about this, take this way out of context. You look for at me saying that pessimistically. Folks don't take the time to think through and think about what I'm saying. You see it word for word, don't think about it and form your own conclusion to what I am REALLY saying. I understand the sensitivity of the subject, but everyone needs to sit back and look at all angles.
That's a problem too. And it surprises me on you because I know you're a smart dude and it seems like you would think things through. Later, QD.
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I disagree. Progress is slow because you constantly have someone (race doesnt matter, agenda does) dropping the race card. You can look at the news any day for the last 6 months and you see someone else saying race is why people hate Obama (only using this as an example because we are in the politics section). After that, you have the media giving legitimacy to the baseless claims by even reporting on it. Then you have people calling it the BS that it is, and they are dumped on as being a racist or an uncle tom. It goes back and forth all the time.
Then we can get into organizations and websites like stormfront and the nbpp. Neither of these organizations serve a legitimate purpose, yet we as a nation constantly give them the legitimacy they crave. Obama did it when he accepted their endorsement, then again when he pardoned the 3 that were at the polls in Philly. On the other side, Strom Thurmond validated the white nationalist movement on a fairly routine basis.
Race means absolutely nothing to 99.99% of the people in this country. Until people actually start living their lives with that knowledge, progress will NEVER be made.
^^^ I agree that calling out racism when there is none marginalizes legitimate racism issues. But we can't let those times stop us from addressing when there is actual racism. Additionally there is some grey areas where someone's motivations are not always clear so we should try to reserve judgement in those cases until we have as many facts as possible.
Take for example the issue of to what extent do blacks have a harder path to success than whites. From what I can tell, on some instances they may have an easier path at times due to political correctness, affirmative action type programs, quotas and whatnot. But in others they may have a harder path, blatant racism, subliminal racism, peer pressure not to appear "white" etc. There is plenty of evidence for both sides so to speak so absolutely about all black people's having an equal/unequal path to success is misguided.
While I seriously doubt the legitimacy of your statistic. I've had many experiences where people say they have no problems with other races and anyone who knew them would agree they are even the exact opposite of racist, almost everyone at some point says something that is racist. People don't even realize they hold a racist belief much of the time. "Black people are great athletes", "white people are more timid", etc. However, I absolutely agree that you should never assume someone is being racist without strong evidence to the contrary.
There is a difference between racism and stereotyping. Saying "black people are great athletes" is a stereotype. Not a racist comment. Later, QD.
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Technically you are correct. Racism is about believing that race determines traits/capabilities of a person. But stereotypes such as these are often (though not always) born out of racism even if it is not conscious racism. Black people are naturally good runners (racist) which is why they are so good at sports (stereotype).
Racism is the belief that one race is superior to another. It has nothing to do with abilities.
All of your examples are stereotyping, not racism.
You know what though and I was talking to my fiance about this the other day and I really appreciate you saying that. Your bolded statement.. while spewing from someone else not as educated as yourself would be prejudice the statement itself does lead back to racism and the state of blacks today, and the reason why there does need to be a discussion and understanding of the past.
"Blacks are naturally good runners," well yeah, on the surface that is absolutely true, of course there are exceptions but generally you look at the demographics of the NFL and the NBA and you see that typically the most athletic and the strongest physically are typically black. But to understand the backbone of that statement requires an understanding of slavery and how blacks were treated in that time.
Being brought over from Africa and conditioning for slavery blacks were basically bred to be a certain way physically. For instance, high blood pressure in blacks today.. well the only slaves that actually survived coming over here were the ones who were able to retain water which meant they had a high level of salt in their blood in turn this became an evolutionary factor in blacks.
Back to the running thing, the weakest slaves were killed. They were useless so they didn't survive.. the physically strong were the ones left. The white slaveowners didn't know it at the time but they evolved an entire race within this country faster than their own. Equate it to the movie 300, how the Spartans only kept the strongest and the weakest never made it to adulthood.
The difference is, physically blacks evolved but mentally blacks regressed. Doesn't matter how strong you are if you are not of sound mind. This is why you see bankrupt black athletes today, while 90% of the team owners are not black. I was reading a story the other day that 75% of black athletes end up bankrupt within 5 years of leaving the sport in which they participate. Granted a proper upbringing would help remedy the problem but a look at the bigger picture, the past gives you a simple explanation.
Racism, prejudice, the dark history of this country.. all has to be engaged rather than sweeping it under the rug, with that engagement comes a clearer understanding and empathy for both sides.. And if you're one of those that feel you need to quote my every paragraph and rebut it, i wrote this to inform.. listen rather than respond.
Strangely, the dude who hit the nail on the head came from the least likely source. I was watching inside the actor's studio and saw this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljuPtyYKuWY
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