If you scare them enough they might just give you a Caribbean vacation. I hear the waterboarding in Guantanamo bay is excellent this time of year.Originally Posted by 81911SC
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something that no one has bothered to mention yet is the ban on magazines with more than a 10rd capacity. I have 13rd mags for my glock. I have 30rd for the m4 I am planning to buy soon, those would be illegal (not to mention the rifle).
What do I need one for? Thats easy, sport shooting. I have the glock for home defense. I also want a nice rifle for long shooting. You can look at Australia and UK as a perfect example of what a limitation or ban on weapons will do. Right now, most burglers will wait for you to leave the house to break in because they know you just might be armed. What do you think will happen if they know for a fact that you are not? Well there is a bigger score in waiting for someone to be home so you can get their car and wallet also. You can probably get into that safe they just might have also.
I know you guys keep preaching about 'OUR RIGHTS' well guess what all of these rights just make more problems for us in the end. We as americans have too many fucking rights as it is... so bad we extend rights to people who aren't even American and protect the criminals over the victims.
This isn't civil war time; we don't need arms to keep the Red Coats from invading our farm lands. Owning a gun should be a privilege not a right.
I would love to know the people bitching about this that vote PRO LIFE
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
I actually agree with you to a point. My Issue comes with the fact that the first time 1 amendment contained in the bill of rights is sucessfully attacked it will DEFINATELY lead to other attacks against other rights. Maybe next time it is the 4th amendment that is attacked or the 5th.
I dont care about this either way. Both sides have a very legitimate arguement so this is one fight that will never go away.I would love to know the people bitching about this that vote PRO LIFE
but it would be quite interesting for someone to support gun laws on the basis of PERSONAL INFRINGEMENT yet vote PRO LIFE
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
but it would be quite interesting for someone to support gun laws on the basis of PERSONAL INFRINGEMENT yet vote PRO LIFE
The problem with that is the defination of life. Is a fetus an independant life, or is it an extension of the mother?
it doesn't matter how you want to skin the cat it still is PERSONAL INFRINGEMENT - why don't we ban circumcisions b/c its cruelty to children? point being if you want to claim stance due to PERSONAL INFRINGEMENT then you should also be PRO CHOICE. i'm sure reps are having a field day w/ this so i just want to point out the obvious holes in such logic.The problem with that is the defination of life. Is a fetus an independant life, or is it an extension of the mother?
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
I don't really have the energy for this right now, Ill just say this.
I don't need the goverement makng any more decisions or taking away any more of my rights....if they want to make changes then they can start giving some more back.
The Truth About AK-47 Firepower
Glad I got mine already
Good video!
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LOL at the idea that US gun laws will affect ANYTHING dealing with Mexican drug cartels.
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Can we get back on the original damn topic?
hahaso sorry.
But just an example of when they take away Constitutional rights, that they'll continue to take more of our rights away that make us America.
I know that and agree but make another thread.haha
But just an example of when they take away Constitutional rights, that they'll continue to take more of our rights away that make us America.
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I am changing it though, I don't like the front fore grip because the gun is front heavy.. Going to switch to black polymer..
front heavy isnt all that bad though. It will help you keep it stead during rapid firing.
True, less front lift.. But I like the simplicity of the AK.. At first, I wanted to change every part on it, but now I am almost becoming an AK purist..
Idk, I am not really worried about modding it.. I have it, and that is all that matters right now..
Just waiting on my 2500 rounds coming in.. Then I will be happy..
They are in sealed tin's.. These can be stocked up for decades!
I want to pick up an M4 myself. How much for a 2500rd box?
its 640 rds per box, I got 4... Lets just say that it cost more than the gun.. Probably could of bought a M4 for it..
Ammo prices are sky rocketing.. You can't find any and the cheapest in stock now is ammoman.com..
They want $299 for 500rds of Federal and not in sealed tins.. I got Wolf sealed tins.. I did get them at a good price compared to these though..
damn, that place is more expensive than wal-mart for target rounds for my Glock.
edit: Just got back from wally world and bought the last 4 boxes of 40 they had. Is it just me or is it getting really ahrd to find ammo in stock lately?
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Ammo is impossible to find..
They are trying to pass a new law that ID's every bullet.. Prices are going to be 10x as much.. Stock up!!!
exactly..... you guys should really look into reloading. if you plan on buying any kind of quantity the its cheaper that way.
24 lbs of powder ( loads about 7000 rounds of .223 @ 24 gr. per round )
$354.00
6000 rounds of 55gr Jacketed bullets
$450.00
3000 rounds of once fired military brass
$347.00
5000 primers
$150-apprx
cost PER round(reloaded): $.27
cost Per round(buy from store-if you can find it):
Bass pro shops - 50 gr remington UMC (40 rds-$23.99) = .60 cents per round
Sportsman's guide.com - 55 gr federal FMJ (150 rds- $82.97) = .55 cents per round
etc etc....
you have to buy a reloading press which is about $250. load 2k rounds and the press had paid for itself and the ammo is still cheaper.
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You and I have to talk.. I never looked into doing this but I need to now.. Where do I buy everything I need for 7.63x39? And where do I buy the press?
The press you can buy at bass pro shops or online or at gun shows.
RCBS rock chucker master kit.... comes with powder measure, scale, lube pad, press and a few other misc things. i dont remember exactly..... but its got everything you need.
its not too fancy like some of those Dillon Precision turret presses(which are sweet by the way, youtube them) but its sturdy.... between my dad and I weve put about 50-60k rounds through his rock chucker and its still looks and works great
stay away from Lee presses, my best friend got one and the press itself is decent but the parts like the powder measure and powder scale are cheap POS's. and theyre plastic....
dies you can buy at gun shows or online.... or even at bass pro or other sporting goods stores.
as far as buying components....
Midway USA
has tons of reloading stuff and components( brass,bullets, powder etc....)
Hi-Tech Ammunition
they've got a lot of components too.... just have to look and find what you need.
Pats Reloading
theyve got mainly bullets and brass as well as a few other things i think.
Widener's
these guys have everything
Powder Valley
pretty self explanatory, but they do sell other stuff.... i ordered powder and bullets from them....
there is one problem though, 7.62x39 is a real BITCH to find stuff for.
you can ONLY load BRASS or NICKEL plated brass. NO STEEL cased ammo ( i.e.- WOLF ammo)
get yourself a Speer reloading handbook and the rock chucker kit and go from there.....
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one other thing, stuff is selling through the roof right now and A LOT of stuff is sold out or on backorder. its better late than never to start reloading, but now its hard to find stuff.....
EF SQUAD FTMFW!!!!
This country is going to go to shit. Liberals suck.
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I'm going to have to look into re-loading also, but I have heard tons of horror stories about glocks and re-loads. Some say the issues have been resolved, others say they havent. I do know that my book says not to use re-loads in it.
theres nothing different from a normal "factory" bullet to a reloaded bullet to "factory" spec's.....
if its reloaded right there shouldn't be a problem at all....
the problem is your glock. sell that plastic POS and get a real pistol
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I think I'll keep my plastic POS for a while. I did a ton of reading before I made my purchase and other than the re-load issue I heard nothing but good about a glock. I am actually pricing Glock 19's at the moment for some 9mm action.
my friend has all the stuff to do reloads, PM me if you want he can do it for you for a small fee
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no one is agrueing that the entire system is fucked, but universal healthcare is the LAST thing that would help. Look at how well run medicare is, then I would like 1 person to tell me that that would be ebtter and cheaper than the current system.
medicare is run like crap, you still have to pay out of pocket 20% and its sad that at least 15-20% of the money paid out is falsy billed by the provider, i personally saw this all the time. a lot of americans who have moved to france love theri healthcare and childcare, and ive heard mixed things on canada and the uk, but hey it's better than nothing at all. i know from talking to travelers from canada they were so scared of getting hurt while in america b/c of the bill. it's gonna be hard to mix the system b/c too many companies make too much money and thats what it boils down to.
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So why would you want the govt to tell you what doc to goto, how often you may see the doc, and what procedures you should get?
my aetna hmo already told me what to do , denied me for getting trigger point injections which i still really need. thew would not pay for meds early even though occasionally id run out early so it's abt the same as what ive seen. i will tell you this story though, st francis hospital in columbus ga has the best heart dr's in the area. many many people were sent from other hospitals for heart issues to surgery, the ER etc, if they had Cigna ins(and i forgot the other company) they would refuse treatment or send you a hefty bill and deny you financial assistance on a 100k bill. the sad part is when you are insured you are suposed to go to the nearest hospital, and half the time they don't pay, which in turn sends many americans into bankruptcy. the points you make already exist, ins wont pay before 30 days, you have selected "in network" Dr's, and half the time you don't get the treatment you need. last time i had ins and went to the er i asked for an mri due to my pinched nerve and wanted to see why i get certain sysmptoms, denied, cant do it have to get a ct scan instead, then was reffered to a pain clinic for trigger point injections, denied again by ins, hell they didn't even want to pay for physical thereapy. and the bad part is i still have bad neck problems.
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Universal healthcare in essence isn't a social program like medicare; they are using buying power to provider better healthcare at a good rate. Healthcare comes down to buying power - rates are determined by that and previous conditions. Only people opting for this healthcare will be using it; if you work for a Fortune 500 company you shouldn't have a damn thing to worry about b/c your healthcare should already be nice, but if you work for a privately owned business like mine then you are probably paying out the ass for OK healthcare (luckily my wife has excellent healthcare for the both of us). This would allow people like me to seek better rates/healthcare; obviously most opposed to this haven't tried buying a plan or insuring their employees before.
I think the real question is why wouldn't you want to have access to better healthcare if you could?
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
If it isnt a social program then what would you call it? It sounds to me like the taxpayers are going to paying for a healthcare program to people that cannot afford it. So who is going to pay the employer portion and who is going to pay the employee portion of it(if you think of it as a health insurance program you would get at work)? I know for a fact that I will be paying some portion of it and I just might cancel my insurance through work to take advantage of this cheaper plan. If I am going to pay for it anyways I might as well use it.
The bolded area is a complete lie. What about the fact that i will be paying for it? My taxes will go up, or they will create a new tax that i will have to pay to pay for this. Obama said he was going to put a 634B "down payment" on it, this program will cost at least that much on a yearly basis. That comes down to an extra $1811 per human being in this country.
Healthcare is expensive, but this plan will do nothing to change that because it doesnt address a single reason for healthcare being expensive. It doesnt do anything to take care of indigent care as many people will still not be able to affrd this healthcare plan. It does nothing to address skyrocketing malpractice insurance and liabilities.
Of course I would, but I would also expect to pay more for it also. Just because I want it doesnt mean I can afford it or have any right to it. I want a Rolls Royce, but if I can only afford a Hyundai then thats all I get. At least its not a Geo. Face it, if you can afford the high costs you can get an outstanding healthcare plan. If you can only afford a major medical plan then thats all you get. You dont have a right to a portion of my money just so you can have a better insurance plan that you can actually afford.
anything the gov spends tax dollars on is a social program - so you use social programs and institutions everyday that are gov funded. is it the same a medicare? no. and everyone is going to have to pay for it... shit my tax dollars go to pay for education... i don't' have kids why should i pay a dime?
i'm sorry how are your personal taxes going to go up? i haven't seen anything on they raising all tax brackets... i guess you make over 200k a year.The bolded area is a complete lie. What about the fact that i will be paying for it? My taxes will go up, or they will create a new tax that i will have to pay to pay for this. Obama said he was going to put a 634B "down payment" on it, this program will cost at least that much on a yearly basis. That comes down to an extra $1811 per human being in this country.
it addresses the cost of healthcare - reforming healthcare is like reforming our tax system you can only make small strides a highly flawed systemHealthcare is expensive, but this plan will do nothing to change that because it doesnt address a single reason for healthcare being expensive. It doesnt do anything to take care of indigent care as many people will still not be able to affrd this healthcare plan. It does nothing to address skyrocketing malpractice insurance and liabilities.
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
But you made my point. If I use these programs I have no problem paying for it.
I know Obama has been a little short on details, imagine that huh, but I havent heard how this is going to be any different than medicare. And again, why should I pay for a healthcare plan I am not using? You dont drive my car, do you want to throw in a few bucks per check to help me pay that off? I'm not asking for much, just 4% or so of your gross income.
I agree, why should be we pay for schools we dont have kids to send them too. Just like my sis in law who pays out of pocket for private schools. Why should she pay for her neighbor's kids to goto school, then go abck and pay for hers seperately.
No, you havent SEEN anything, but when you add another 634B a year to the budget where do you think that money is going to come from? Once again, Obama has been a little short on details on how is he planning to pay for all of new spending he wants. Remember, he is also supposed to cut the deficit by 50% in 4 years also. I dont think its a very large jump to assume that my taxes will either go up, or their will be a new tax on everyone to pay for this.
It does nothing to address the cost of healthcare. All it does is transfer the cost of healthcare to others. That is transfer of wealth, that is socialism. Plain and simply, EVERYONE's taxes are going to at least 50% by them time Obama gets out of office. For those that make over 250K a year, the increase will be about a 100% increase.
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