This country is going to go to shit. Liberals suck.
This country is going to go to shit. Liberals suck.
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I'm going to have to look into re-loading also, but I have heard tons of horror stories about glocks and re-loads. Some say the issues have been resolved, others say they havent. I do know that my book says not to use re-loads in it.
my friend has all the stuff to do reloads, PM me if you want he can do it for you for a small fee
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Originally Posted by ahabion
i worked in healthcare billing and collections and at least 33% of insurance claims were denied for no reason, the only ones who finally got itcovered are the one's who fought it for years. my brother supposively owes 14k on a procedure which i made sure everthing wouold be covered, then he was denied by aetna which im appealing and the dr wants a 6 mos payment plan. healthcare in this country was sold to nixon bt john kaiser "we are making too much money, " the next day an hmo was announced instead of some other form of revised healthcare. this system needs major improvements.
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no one is agrueing that the entire system is fucked, but universal healthcare is the LAST thing that would help. Look at how well run medicare is, then I would like 1 person to tell me that that would be ebtter and cheaper than the current system.
medicare is run like crap, you still have to pay out of pocket 20% and its sad that at least 15-20% of the money paid out is falsy billed by the provider, i personally saw this all the time. a lot of americans who have moved to france love theri healthcare and childcare, and ive heard mixed things on canada and the uk, but hey it's better than nothing at all. i know from talking to travelers from canada they were so scared of getting hurt while in america b/c of the bill. it's gonna be hard to mix the system b/c too many companies make too much money and thats what it boils down to.
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I am not sure whats so hard to understand about government. Our Government is shit, our Government employees are shit, our Government programs are shit. Our Government is failing on every single level and every single dept/program. So what happens when we add more shit Government employees, programs, and departments to an already shit Government? You get a shitty Government with shit frosting smeared all over it using a spatula made of shit. And that doesn't taste very good to anyone.
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
^ lol!
So why would you want the govt to tell you what doc to goto, how often you may see the doc, and what procedures you should get?
Universal healthcare in essence isn't a social program like medicare; they are using buying power to provider better healthcare at a good rate. Healthcare comes down to buying power - rates are determined by that and previous conditions. Only people opting for this healthcare will be using it; if you work for a Fortune 500 company you shouldn't have a damn thing to worry about b/c your healthcare should already be nice, but if you work for a privately owned business like mine then you are probably paying out the ass for OK healthcare (luckily my wife has excellent healthcare for the both of us). This would allow people like me to seek better rates/healthcare; obviously most opposed to this haven't tried buying a plan or insuring their employees before.
I think the real question is why wouldn't you want to have access to better healthcare if you could?
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If it isnt a social program then what would you call it? It sounds to me like the taxpayers are going to paying for a healthcare program to people that cannot afford it. So who is going to pay the employer portion and who is going to pay the employee portion of it(if you think of it as a health insurance program you would get at work)? I know for a fact that I will be paying some portion of it and I just might cancel my insurance through work to take advantage of this cheaper plan. If I am going to pay for it anyways I might as well use it.
The bolded area is a complete lie. What about the fact that i will be paying for it? My taxes will go up, or they will create a new tax that i will have to pay to pay for this. Obama said he was going to put a 634B "down payment" on it, this program will cost at least that much on a yearly basis. That comes down to an extra $1811 per human being in this country.
Healthcare is expensive, but this plan will do nothing to change that because it doesnt address a single reason for healthcare being expensive. It doesnt do anything to take care of indigent care as many people will still not be able to affrd this healthcare plan. It does nothing to address skyrocketing malpractice insurance and liabilities.
Of course I would, but I would also expect to pay more for it also. Just because I want it doesnt mean I can afford it or have any right to it. I want a Rolls Royce, but if I can only afford a Hyundai then thats all I get. At least its not a Geo. Face it, if you can afford the high costs you can get an outstanding healthcare plan. If you can only afford a major medical plan then thats all you get. You dont have a right to a portion of my money just so you can have a better insurance plan that you can actually afford.
theres nothing different from a normal "factory" bullet to a reloaded bullet to "factory" spec's.....
if its reloaded right there shouldn't be a problem at all....
the problem is your glock. sell that plastic POS and get a real pistol
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I think I'll keep my plastic POS for a while. I did a ton of reading before I made my purchase and other than the re-load issue I heard nothing but good about a glock. I am actually pricing Glock 19's at the moment for some 9mm action.
ya i agree you should be fine running reloads. Of course u may have to find out what she eats best, but i cant imagine there being a reload-wide problem with glocks.
and dont sell your glock. as far as i am concerned there are only a few guns suited for carry/duty: glock, maybe sig, maybe springfield xd and extremely well built (custom usually) 1911s.
I am going to try and make an ammo run this weekend to GA-arms. Need some ammo asap.
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
Danny, what do you reccomend for target ammo? I saw the thread in the lifestyle forum and you seem to know you guns. I have been using walmart ammo with no problems and while I know its not the most accurate ammo out there it seems to shoot fine so far. Also .40 ammo has been hard to find until this week. It seems everyone has it right now. I've purchased 400rds in the last 3 days.
head over to the lifestyle thread on guns. thats becoming the general gun chat thread lol.. This thread is littered enough with off topic stuff
back to Obama being the gun Nazi.
"The 1911 is a collection of subsystems that must work together. Each part must be prepared and fit properly not only in and of itself, but also with regard to the other parts with which it must operate for the gun to function and appear as desired."
my aetna hmo already told me what to do , denied me for getting trigger point injections which i still really need. thew would not pay for meds early even though occasionally id run out early so it's abt the same as what ive seen. i will tell you this story though, st francis hospital in columbus ga has the best heart dr's in the area. many many people were sent from other hospitals for heart issues to surgery, the ER etc, if they had Cigna ins(and i forgot the other company) they would refuse treatment or send you a hefty bill and deny you financial assistance on a 100k bill. the sad part is when you are insured you are suposed to go to the nearest hospital, and half the time they don't pay, which in turn sends many americans into bankruptcy. the points you make already exist, ins wont pay before 30 days, you have selected "in network" Dr's, and half the time you don't get the treatment you need. last time i had ins and went to the er i asked for an mri due to my pinched nerve and wanted to see why i get certain sysmptoms, denied, cant do it have to get a ct scan instead, then was reffered to a pain clinic for trigger point injections, denied again by ins, hell they didn't even want to pay for physical thereapy. and the bad part is i still have bad neck problems.
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not all programs and employees are shit. my mother works for the usda and she busts her ass and the scientists do a lot of good things, but there are several privledged employees who until recently came to work 1 day a week and got full salary, never does any work and is always on the phone, and passes work off on my mother, i can't go into detail but i will tell you this, they are afraid to fire her b/c they are afraid of a civil rights lawsuit, even though most people would get canned in a heart beat.
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And you think that any of that will change with universal healthcare? That laughable.
Maybe you just have shitty insurance. Not your fault, but its not my fault either so why should I fit the bill for it? When I ripped up my ankle I asked for and got an MRI covered by insurance. That alone turned into 4 seperate doc visits and when I can aford the co-pay I will most likely be going back for ankle surgery. I already know it will be covered by insurance I just dont want to spend the $500 for it right now. My insurance isnt all that great, but we keep our premiums down by using the higher co-pays. It will only take 8 months to save that much in the difference in premiums.
You can also go MUCH cheaper than the insuance I use by getting a major medical plan. The one I looked at would only cost $75 a month for me and my wife. It wouldnt cover regular check-ups or regular dentist visits but pick up 80% of total costs between 500 and 2k. Then 100% minus deductable over 2k up to 250K in a year. That plan also could not raise my rates or drop me for any condition that developped while I was covered. I could have also paid about 120 a month and gotten covered to 750K in a year.
well my insurance was supposed to be very good but it wasn't. neither solution is really not that great honestly. i do know other countries have way better healthcare than we do, and there are ways to get a more universal system to work, but only if done right(which would not be the case). my copays went up, then you have coins(make sure they don't pop u with that on your ankle). i originally got an mri through a different ins company and founs issues in my neck, but i have really bad flare ups where it feels like more is going on. thats when i want to get an mri to see whats doing all the damage. my ins premium was through work and costs aby $300/mo for just me. sadly i don't think anything will change with healthcare. later down the road 250k for a year may not cut it, trust me i saw several bills for way over that and that was for things you wouldn't expect to cost so much. another reason healthcare is going up is b/c illegal immigrants who come here and have 6 kids in texas, then get food stamps etc and multiply quicker than a colony of rats. the people of this country shoud be in charge of the reform, not the gov't pharma industries, and ins companies.
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it must be hard to start a new thread.
my AETNA coverage for a 28 year old male, who smokes, is $175 a month, it would be $100 a month with dental if i didnt smoke.
I think my copay is $40, and i have like $5000 in coverage a year, after that , Aetna picks up the tab (no more copay)
I have a friend that went to the doc on saturday with NO HEALTH insurance, and it was $115 for the doctor visit and $10 for meds. Thats still CHEAP IMO and if you cant afford it something is wrong. The only place where insurance really matters is specialized treatment, surgery, extensive lab work, etc. But for MOST cases (flu, infections, etc) ANY american can afford it IMO
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lol I was about to start something new and was in the middle of typing it out when I was like... who really wants to know about healthcare?
Maybe I will type it out haha
I think it would be good. A lot of discussion for sure.
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agreed on that, hey folks this thread covers a lot of ground, sorry folks we are just carrying on conversation.
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anything the gov spends tax dollars on is a social program - so you use social programs and institutions everyday that are gov funded. is it the same a medicare? no. and everyone is going to have to pay for it... shit my tax dollars go to pay for education... i don't' have kids why should i pay a dime?
i'm sorry how are your personal taxes going to go up? i haven't seen anything on they raising all tax brackets... i guess you make over 200k a year.The bolded area is a complete lie. What about the fact that i will be paying for it? My taxes will go up, or they will create a new tax that i will have to pay to pay for this. Obama said he was going to put a 634B "down payment" on it, this program will cost at least that much on a yearly basis. That comes down to an extra $1811 per human being in this country.
it addresses the cost of healthcare - reforming healthcare is like reforming our tax system you can only make small strides a highly flawed systemHealthcare is expensive, but this plan will do nothing to change that because it doesnt address a single reason for healthcare being expensive. It doesnt do anything to take care of indigent care as many people will still not be able to affrd this healthcare plan. It does nothing to address skyrocketing malpractice insurance and liabilities.
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
that is ok insurance nothing grand by any means and you would have to look into the exclusions to see what is/isn't covered. it is easy for regularly heathly people to discuss healthcare b/c they don't incur any real cost. try being diabetic or another major illness; better yet how about having a sick child maybe with cancer or lukimia.
everyone should be able to and should have to pay for some form of healthcare.
Paul "your bullshit makes the flowers grow"
But you made my point. If I use these programs I have no problem paying for it.
I know Obama has been a little short on details, imagine that huh, but I havent heard how this is going to be any different than medicare. And again, why should I pay for a healthcare plan I am not using? You dont drive my car, do you want to throw in a few bucks per check to help me pay that off? I'm not asking for much, just 4% or so of your gross income.
I agree, why should be we pay for schools we dont have kids to send them too. Just like my sis in law who pays out of pocket for private schools. Why should she pay for her neighbor's kids to goto school, then go abck and pay for hers seperately.
No, you havent SEEN anything, but when you add another 634B a year to the budget where do you think that money is going to come from? Once again, Obama has been a little short on details on how is he planning to pay for all of new spending he wants. Remember, he is also supposed to cut the deficit by 50% in 4 years also. I dont think its a very large jump to assume that my taxes will either go up, or their will be a new tax on everyone to pay for this.
It does nothing to address the cost of healthcare. All it does is transfer the cost of healthcare to others. That is transfer of wealth, that is socialism. Plain and simply, EVERYONE's taxes are going to at least 50% by them time Obama gets out of office. For those that make over 250K a year, the increase will be about a 100% increase.
they are looking at 130 new ways to tax us and business. from property taxes, carbon foot print taxes, and a mileage tax for how much we drive. so basically we will be taxed to death on anything we do. now on nat geos website they have noticed the ice caps on mars are also melting, along with a moon around jupiter etc, so it seems the whole solar system is getting warmer along with the earth. we are getting close to the center of our galaxy(kind of like the equator on earth). so basically carbon taxes are bs if thats the case. our tax money goes to pay on the interest we borrow from the world bank so the more taxes the better for them.
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...s-warming.html
very interesting articele, are you telling me our SUV's are causing problems on mars too.
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lol this is funny to me. this is the start of de-arming the nation. setting the stage for martial law. first little steps like this will be taken. then it snowballs into a big move.....
You know better; next time will be a ban.
also all these new taxes that are being put on everything, are in a way the same reason America was started. The ones that came here to find a new home did that because of being over taxed in the first place.
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Well said..
yep, recently our attorney general came out saying that the violence in mexico is b/c the US has guns and assault rifles, which is a load of BS. also look into the fairness doctrine, it deals with our 1st ammendment.
OK serious question here, what wouls the range be for killing a deer with a shotgun, say a 12 or 20 guage using the right ammo. i'm looking into either a rifle or shotgun, im on a serious budget and would also like to buy a handgun(non revolver). i have looked at an skyy, or a sccy 9mm sub compact pistol, i just want something reliable that i can use to defend myself. the reason i lean towards a shotgun is the pump action ones that you don't have to reload after every show. any suggestions guys im a noob at guns and when my tax return arrives these are the first items im buying. ok go.
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Why don't you ask in the correct subforum?
i would hope that the MILLIONS of guns that have been bought in the last year alone, werent bought just to hand em over to the govt.....
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Buy an AK! Just have to bury it in your back yard..
way ahead of you....
although if its buried you cant shoot it very well....
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i have a 38 special, a 30/30 rifle, and a single barrel 12 gauge. not much but good enough for me. I would like to have a AK47 like my friend as well as a AR15 and a 9mm like his. but hey shit happens. not trying to be a conspiracy theorist. When i first saw the videos, documents, articles, etc. on all this i laughed. then i started putting the pieces together and seeing how accurate they were as far as the steps leading up to the possibly out come became more real every day.
take a look at these.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaG9d_4zij8
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK2g0TGaAZA
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