intresting poll of what the military thinks
hmm, actually thought this might be interesting. Instead it's exactly what I expected.
Are not these the same men and women that the liberals are so worried about getting killed?? Looks to me they KNOW who the right person for the job is!!!!
not surprised but they discourage (or atleast they used to) associating with any one party. Which is why I laugh when people make a big deal out of Mccain's undecisiveness when he was picking his party.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10Originally Posted by AlanŽ
i just love the only pie chart supporting obama is the black/african-american chart
thats out of just about 1.5 million or so? Pretty interesting.
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same here - it shows nothing more then the majority of the people polled want to stay at war; i'm sure they all are great economist.
It was exactly what I expected. The military has always been republican, but since 9/11 they have become even more republican.
1 thing that I found funny though. 45% of white voters thought character of the president be a top issue, while 18% of blacks did.
"same here - it shows nothing more then the majority of the people polled want to stay at war
Much better then economist! They are the ones who make sure that you can live free there buddy!
To me our armed forces opinion out weighs yours a million fold!
A comment like that from an Obama supporter! Now that's no surprise!
lol - i'm sorry you think your freedom is based of our our troops at war"same here - it shows nothing more then the majority of the people polled want to stay at war
Much better then economist! They are the ones who make sure that you can live free there buddy!
To me our armed forces opinion out weighs yours a million fold!
A comment like that from an Obama supporter! Now that's no surprise!
unfortunately you are sadly mistaken. we are not anymore free today then we were pre 9/11 actually we are less free and due to 9/11 we have had more personal privacy taken away. spending 10 billion dollars a month on a pointless war doesn't justify anything; nor does who the military is voting for. our economy is # 1 issue on the hearts and minds of americans not war.
lol - i'm sorry you think your freedom is based of our our troops at war
unfortunately you are sadly mistaken. we are not anymore free today then we were pre 9/11 actually we are less free and due to 9/11 we have had more personal privacy taken away. spending 10 billion dollars a month on a pointless war doesn't justify anything; nor does who the military is voting for. our economy is # 1 issue on the hearts and minds of americans not war.
not always true. You can have all the money you need but still won't be safe without the military. You can have all the military you need but still be safe without the money. Theoretically speaking of course.
it doesn't matter, all of their absentee ballots will be lost in purgatory anyways.
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"same here - it shows nothing more then the majority of the people polled want to stay at war
Much better then economist! They are the ones who make sure that you can live free there buddy!
To me our armed forces opinion out weighs yours a million fold!
A comment like that from an Obama supporter! Now that's no surprise!@ your simple minded thoughts
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Just out of curiosity, have you ever served? Please don't answer with the "well my so n so served," have YOU?"same here - it shows nothing more then the majority of the people polled want to stay at war
Much better then economist! They are the ones who make sure that you can live free there buddy!
To me our armed forces opinion out weighs yours a million fold!
A comment like that from an Obama supporter! Now that's no surprise!
im not going on on my own opinion of what the military things. but i will go on my buddy who is in the army and what he said his unit would vote for. he told me he and the majority of his unity fucking hate mccain, now im not saying that its the whole military, but to have even a little bit of an animosity towards someone who could be your commander n cheif is rediculous.
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what? wow LOL
i forgot that in the military you cant have a mind of your own
thats like saying you cant have any animosity for your boss at your work
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I laugh at all your young stupidity!! You all are more then likely about to get what you want. A country full of ungrateful, self centered, cowards who want everything given to them instead of having to work for it. Who want freedom but don't want to have to fight for it!
I know at least 2 or 3 in this thread that has served or is serving, have YOU?
No I have not. I tried to get in 3 times but my knee stopped all my hopes of entering. I even went threw 4 operations one of which left me off my leg for almost a year in hopes of being able to join.
Have you?? If it matters to you so much then I guess the bigger question you need to ask is if Obama has!!
I'm not going to go on and on about this.
It just upsets me when people talk down about our armed forces. Like they are a bunch of mindless drones! I have had dear friends and family members give their lives for this country. Yes I did mention them! I am proud of what they have done and are still doing!
Grow up people! Freedom is NOT free! You can not talk your way out of a confrontation with a mad man!
If Obama wins we will see how long it takes him to pull out of the middle east!
Its no surprise that the military is more conservative. Its a volunteer military and many of those who join probably do so because they agree with the current policies. Those who disagree with the way things are going are less likely to enlist (or motivated by other factors like money, career training, etc)
The same poll taken in the 1968 election when there was a draft might very well have favored against the war-hawks.
o.. so you criticize others when you didn't make the cut. I raised my right hand last month and grew up a military brat so let me remind you.. you don't speak for the military.
I've yet to earn my stripes but understand that we all have differences, do not question someone elses Patriotism based on standards you weren't able to live up to yourself. Opposing the Iraq war doesn't make me any less American than anyone else around here, its nothing more than a difference of opinion.
seriously man you make some seriously bold and dumb statements... military does have quite a bit of mindless drones in it; they have lowered the standards over the past 8 years so they could enlist more people in the military.
which mad man do you refer to? bush b/c he is the reason we are at war. i mean where are his WMD? com'on i mean are we in Iraq b/c they were involved w/ 9/11 or b/c we are finishing daddys work?
you obviously need to grow up and educate yourself.
I get tired of hearing this. If you beleive there were no WMDs you must be blind.
If you ever get the chance to speak with a seal or any other person that does/has participated in black ops. They will tell you, you are an idiot.
And just to add, I think military should be first in line to vote. No questions asked. I don't care if they have to go to each and every one personally to get their vote.
As I have said before, the military is historicly republican so this poll is nothing new. My experiences have also shown there is also a HUGE disparty between active duty and and reserve units where reserve units I have been involved with have been more 50/50 between the parties.
I know it will never happen, and I know most people will disagree with me, but I think that anyone that wants to hold a federal public office (Represenative, Senator, POresident, VP) should have at least 1 term of military service. It only makes sense that the top military man in the country has some service as the low man on the totem pole.
That's a bunch of silly bullshit. Last time I checked we were attacked once, by a group of people whom we have yet to catch. We're the ones doing the invading. So don't kid yourself, and don't tell me my liberty is dependent upon toppling the governments of foreign countries who had little to do with the terrorist attacks America experienced. If America was being invaded, then they'd be protecting my liberties, but in the mean time, they're just expanding the influence of the empire I happen to live in. You hypocrite. You idiots are all the same, talking shit about "they're defending you're right to be lazy, and talk shit." No bro, they're defending the liberties of the Iraqi people. Not the American people. That's why it's called the Operation Iraqi freedom, not Operation American freedom. So before you spew out anymore silly bullshit, you might want to get a better grasp on the reality of the world you live in."same here - it shows nothing more then the majority of the people polled want to stay at war
Much better then economist! They are the ones who make sure that you can live free there buddy!
To me our armed forces opinion out weighs yours a million fold!
A comment like that from an Obama supporter! Now that's no surprise!
Contrary to popular belief, you are not protecting my freedom, by forcefully liberating people in the middle east. In fact you may be putting my freedom in further jeopardy, because every time the military screws up, and kills some innocent persons family, I guarantee you the survivors will have no problem participating in another 9/11.
Do I think Saddam deserved what he got? Absolutely. But I'm not a fool, and I know I'm not any safer because he's gone. The only gibberish I see here, is the mindless dribble coming out of the mouth of your thoughtless belief system. I'm sure you have the best intentions, but you haven't thought it through.
dude this is the dumbest statement... this is like saying they caught osama but they aren't going to tell the american public.
if we went to iraq and found some STOCK PILE of WMD which we were sold on then the american public wouldn't have a problem w/ the war. i'm tried of bush nut swingers like yourself give these where's waldo answers... either they have them or they don't. bush has yet to deliver such evidence and same goes for catching the people orginally responsible for 9/11. how about you have your "black ops" connections contact fox news w/ your WMD findings.
lol good post these are the same people that think jesus is coming back.
"cling to your guns and religion"
I agree with alot of what you say even though I do support the occupation in Iraq.
1 thing I do disagree with you though, we are safer now than we ever were under Clinton. There has been 2 minor attacks on US intrests since the invasion of Iraq. Neither of those attacks resulted in the loss of an American life. uring the Clinton admin, we had 3 attacks that resulted in the loss of human life. 1 WTC bombing, the coordinated attacks on the embassies in Kenya and Nairobi I believe they were, and the USS Cole.
That safety is because of the attention that Al Qaeda has been paying to Iraq. We have deat severe blows to the leadership in Iraq and internationally. We have severely diminshed their recruiting ability. We have installed a govt that as of right now are aligned with US intrests. The more influance we can have in the mid east the safer we are in the long run.
More immediate problems are stabilizing Iraq now that we did invade. If we leave before the job is done we will only leave the door open for Iran to take control either overtly or covertly. If that happens we will have MUCH bigger problems than we have now. I also think that if Iran makes an overt move towards Iraq it will cause Israel to attack Iran and bring us back into the area under much more unfriendly terms.
If I remember correctly I think we found some portions of chemical weapons, in particular the ones Saddam used to gas his own people, but they were certainly not capable of using them against the US in any organized sense, and they were far from being nuclear weapons. And just because we found a chemical weapon doesn't mean it falls under the classification of WMD. That'd be like us invading Germany again because they still sell Zyclon B as a pesticide, or had some left over mustard gas.
Reserve units are much more laid back than Active Duty.. from what I've seen.
I tend to think everyone should be forced to serve 2 years out of high school.
There is no way to see or know what may have been, but I think if we could, you may be surprised.
This does not happen nearly as often as many would have you beleive. Actually, with all the bureacracy and rules they follow, its very seldom.
exactly... finding left over shells from previous wars is far from trying to sell the American public on danger Iraq could cause us.
i agree but i dont' think military should be only option - community service, military, etc... i think gov should pay for atleast 2 years of college as well for time served; education is what our society needs
^^well the leader of the country should have been responsible enough to not jump the gun and attack someone who didnt attack us. Now it FORCES an excuse like "we cant leave or it'll look bad" situation. So then EVERYONE can say, "oh, it yallz fault, so FIX IT." BS. So a rock and a hard place now exists and this could of been avoided simply by attacking our actual attackers and not someone else.
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The military pays for 3 years of college already after you finish a 4 year contract or you are released from active duty honorably after 1 year. Its called the Montgomery GI Bill. Also if you are still in, you can receive federal tuition assistance to goto school. That will pay 100% of tuition and fees.i think gov should pay for atleast 2 years of college as well for time served; education is what our society needs
But Iraq wasn't do a lot of recruiting for Al Quieda. They'd rather kill each other their over their silly Sunni/Shi'ite bullshit than worry about us. We knew Pakistan, and Afghanistan were where the people who were recruiting those who attacked us were hiding, but we went for Iraq because Bush decided after 9/11 it was time to start worrying about humanitarian issues, like genocide. Which coincided perfectly because all they had to do was tell the American public that our enemy was in Iraq, and that some how some way, Iraq had something to do with it.
We may have destabilized, the networking ability of the terrorist groups over there, but we are chasing the ghosts of the people who really haunt us, not to mention potentially creating a whole new sub sect of people who hate America with just as much deep rooted sociopathic fundamental religious fervor.
And you also have to think, we were made more aware of terrorism by the events of 9/11, not necessarily because of the war we decided to wage afterwards. In some respects we did the right thing, because Saddam was an authoritarian lunatic, and the middle east is better off without him; but Bush choose to capitalize on the opportunities provided by 9/11 in Iraq, rather than addressing the real issues, and root causes for those events. The world is better off without Saddam, no doubt about it, but it should have been the world working to rid themselves of him, rather than the US acting mostly alone.
i know that but like many countries have other options then military... serve working home or abroad for your country. it is far better and appealing to people who think our wars are pointless like myself...
you can't justify war... there is not such thing. they flew planes in to our buildings why? not b/c they hate democracy which is what the man in the white house says but b/c we F U C K E D them time and time again. you can't expect to keep picking fights and taking sides w/o someone retaliating.
I say this because I have spoken with them, and just happened to be on this very subject saturday with a seal, and those were his words, not mine.
These weapons were moved to other countries in advance of our ANNOUNCED entry into iraq. If we were to pull out without removing saddam from power they would have returned to iraq.
I wanted to do the Peace Corps, but unfortunately the government only wants to pay you reasonably if you help people by force, in accordance with their agenda, as in the military. I still might after college.
this is an awesome statement... truly awesome.
ok so your a dictator and you know you are going to be invaded - you don't leave your own country, but you can send WMD out of the country? com'on dude. if i was a dictator and knew my time was at an end why would i send away the one thing that could destroy my enemy? that doesn't make any sense. furthermore this information would of easily gotten UN/World support for the war if we had such intelligence. i wouldn't trust anything that comes from anyones mouth unless i see it w/ my own two eyes. you do know our gov't ratings are some of the lowest ever this goes for both reps/dems.
Cobra I will respond to you after my beer run.
I would have no problems with the govt providing additional ways to qualify for federal tuition assistance, but IMO it has to have lesser benefits or competitive for the assistance. I would also have no problems with certain non-deployable jobs in the military for people in college. Send them through bootcamp and MOS school, but after that treat it like an internship. Work 3 days a week while going to school full time.
Are you saying you cant justify war period, or the war in Iraq? I dont think there was justification for the war in Iraq, but throughout history we have been in 3 wars
yes and no. Many of them hate us because of the religious teachings of those that manipulate the Koran to fit their ideology. They use hate to further their own egos and send those that aelrn from them to kill innocents. In all reality the only fight we picked was currently in Iraq. In 3 other occations we used them as pawns for our own policies though.
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