Quote Originally Posted by admin
honestly i think both were weak on current economics probably due to the fact that they are still negotiations.
Agreed. But something I found disheartening by both was when asked what they would cut if they had was that they both seemed unwilling to do that.

mccain was supposed to shine tonight and he didn't do it. i know it was mentioned about earmarks/spending yet obama held his tongue on bashing mccain for asking palin to join him in his race. alaska had more earmarks per capita than any other state in the nation. mccain also followed up w/ saying he would propose a spending FREEZE except for the war. sorry but he is out of touch. americans are in disbelief over the war. they are tired of it and want to see the focus on our economy.
Agreed again. 2 things though:
1. If Obama had decided to make that accusation it would have been just as easy for McCain to say while you are campainging on supposed "new politics" yet has a VP pick who is the 2nd or 3rd oldest member of congress

2.McCain said military not the war. While I agree with you that people are tired of the war I agree with McCain that not finishing the job or succeeding there will cause a much greater problem than we could possibly imagine. I also l liked the fact that he made the same argument I have been making for the past two years that what we did in Afghanistan in the 70's has had a major impact on the world we live in today and that we cannot repeat that mistake.

call me bias that is how things went down w/ mccain. b!tching about obama calling him John - who gives a f*ck? it is not worse then mccain saying over and over obama doesn't understand. it sounded like he was scolding a child.
LOL x2 on the bitching about the name thing. Who cares. But I think that by sounding slightly condescending to Obama may have actually worked in his favor. It was risky but I think it worked.

neither did great but mccain was set to win and he didn't clearly do that. mccain ran on his history and obama on policy/defending himself. polls are coming out as of now saying they think obama was stronger.
I really believe that this Debate was a draw. I think the polls will reflect this for the most part simply because like you said McCain was expected to walk away with this. But Obama proved that he is much more savy on this than most would think but at the same time also proved he has a long way to go.

furthermore i think the time spent on talking to iran w/ conditions... it hasn't worked in the past 8 years and saying they are threat yet you won't talk to them is just dumb.
My take on this is that the two of them really seemed to have a key disagreement on the definition of pre-conditions. I think that like Obama said we need more PREPREATION(not preconditions which seemed to be his definition of the term)to lead up to major talks with people like Chavez, Ahmedinijad, etc. But when it comes specifically to Iran I really don't see any chance of talks with them really succeeding.


I'm going to say this and I can't believe I am doing this but Obama really had me going there for awhile and then somewhere along the line he lost me.