you can never 100% agree w/ someones policies; i would have to agree making breaks in corp markets to keep jobs here is best plan but if you make such breaks and they still move else where then breaks didn't help us either.Originally Posted by redGT
You know what if he would consider dropping the Corporate tax rate 5-15% then i would seriously consider voting for him. I don't see it happening but it's somehting that needs to be addressed. It's crazy high.
See i'm not a mindless repub sheep
Yea and that's something that keeps me away from Obama. I simply don't agree with raising taxes on one sector based solely on politics. The corporate tax rate is really suffocating small business and if they want to stimulate some growth dropping it would do that.you can never 100% agree w/ someones policies; i would have to agree making breaks in corp markets to keep jobs here is best plan but if you make such breaks and they still move else where then breaks didn't help us either.
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Again this demonstrates how little you know, and i mean that respectfully. Paul REALY go look at the Taxes thread, unless i missed something you are completely wrong and are making this up, NO TAX CUTS for Middle America? are you serious?
Whatever you say that is two faced and hypocritical about Mccain choosing Palin, ill say the same thing about Obama.
Obama is running on the CHANGE THE OLD BOY NETWORK, and the NEW POLITICS IN WASHINGTON and he chooses a 30 year CAREER SENATOR WHO HAS NEVER CROSSED PARTY LINES AND IS THE EPITOME OF "OLD WASHINGTON"
POT CALLING KETTLE.....
Mccain has proposed TAX BREAKS FOR EVERYONE ACROSS THE BOARD. GO LOOK AT HIS PROPOSAL, no tax breaks for 95% of America? are you insane?
His just benefit the people that
A) PAY THE MOST TAXES
B) CREATE THE MOST JOBS
But they CERTAINLY do lower the middle classes taxes as well.
how about this, OBAMA wants to let the BUSH TAX CUTS EXPIRE! Tax cuts that were designed for people in the middle class!
So lets be rational, hes going to let TAX CUTS EXPIRE so your TAX RATES GO UP, then he will propose a TAX CUT ON TOP OF THAT. So lets not sit here and lie to ourselves.
Hes going to INCREASE SPENDING BY 800 BILLION, YET LOWER TAXES! Come on Paul, so how do you increase spending but lower taxes an that wil jump start the economy? Even last night he was cornered and he said "some things may not be able to be done right away or they wil be put on hold" so hes already setting himself up .
Pulling out of IRAQ is only 120 billion a year, wheres the other 680 BILLION going to come from? Taxing the Rich? gimme a break
Yes Obama stated last night that he thinks the way to grow the economy is to do it from the bottom up. That is his opinion and i think he is wrong, Carter proved that, but i digress.
I never said people that are VOting for OBAMA are dumb, i never called anyone in this thread dumb, i said the AVERAGE AMERICAN VOTER IS DUMB. which IMO is a true statement because they are too lazy to think for themselves.
LOL at you people thinking i was calling you dumb, little pretentious of you gus.
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Hold up. I have watch this last night with 3 of my uncles and we was on this.
Mccain could not really answer questions. He goes off talking just runing his mouth.Mccain said some facts but Obama drilled him the whole time.
Its was funny how Mccain just goes off talking bout other ****
Then ive heard that Bush was holding a meeting at D.C
on the day of the Debate. So Mccain wanted to cancal the debate
Obama says no its only 1 and 30 mins. Bush could have hold this meeting 2 weeks ago.
Last edited by Mr.Big; 09-27-2008 at 04:34 PM.
Are u a middle class???
People need to think bout what we need in this country. More Americans are middle class
No ****ing gas and alot of other **** thats going to just get worst
cant even go to damn work
what is worst paying crazy gas prices or
Taxes goes up a little?
Last edited by Mr.Big; 09-27-2008 at 04:30 PM.
I'm middle class with aspirations of being rich. And I own a small business.
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Wow wait a tick have you not been paying attention to what happened this week?
Wednesday McCain came out and put his campaign on hold. Later that night Bush calls Obama and asks him to come to meeting at the White House. Thursday meeting takes place and Dems come out and blame McCain for backwards step during meeting.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
LOL the only place that is really without gas at the moment is the South. Why? Because people down here sorry to say are generally dumber and believe more of what they hear in the news rather than making their own decisions. No one has even said we are close to being without gas so what the hell are you talking about?
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
hold up yea now we dont got gas and i already know why!!
But gas prices been doing that up and down **** for bout 6 years or so.
ANd no gas prices are high cause of the weather **** in texas. So what u talking boy
Well thats what they tell us
Wow wait a tick have you not been paying attention to what happened this week?
Wednesday McCain came out and put his campaign on hold. Later that night Bush calls Obama and asks him to come to meeting at the White House. Thursday meeting takes place and Dems come out and blame McCain for backwards step during meeting
that might be true i dont know
And what i was talking about is more than just gas prices
Alot more **** is going on in this country
Mr. big you have yet to make a point and have yet to say anything factual so what is it you are trying to say.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
Shawty u quote me
Yea because you came in and said a bunch of midnless **** with no point so I'm trying to figure out what exactly you're getting at. Cause right now you have no point.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
OR maybe because the gulf had 2 hurricanes pass thru it.......and there are a few "pieces of equipment" that are kind of important to fuel getting delivered all around the south.. in the gulf.
Mr. Big clearly has no idea what he is talking about.
LOL yet Perdue laxed the restrictions on what kind of gas we can have and yet we still have all kinds of mindless idiots buying gas every chance they get.
Yes that's part of it but for the most part it's people acting based on their own preconcieved media driven notions that we are going to run out. I have family and friends all over the country and nobody has any problems getting gas but me.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
of course its just a issue for the south.. because of the refineries being off for the hurricanes last week. Perdue did that.. BUT its still a chore getting gas. And it IS a issue in the south not becuase of people being stupid.. but because of the hurricanes IN THE SOUTH. It has been said a million times that we arent running out. the notion to top off is smart i mean you wont know when you will be able to get gas again without a long line. i did a few days ago and decided not to yesterday and now im on E..and dont know where i can go to get gas.
here is what really happened w/ your bush tax cuts... who is in denial?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080913/ap_on_el_pr/mccainBush promised that his tax cuts would create jobs, but they didn't. A conservative-dominated Congress enacted two sets of Bush tax cuts, in 2001 and 2003. Job creation was a major Bush selling point, especially in 2003, when the administration asserted that the tax cuts would create 5.5 million jobs from July 2003 through the end of 2004. Instead, only 2.4 million jobs were added during that period1.7 million fewer jobs than the economy was expected to produce without any tax cuts. [Center for American Progress] Today, the impact of the Bush tax program is clear: 8.5 million Americans are unemployed2.5 million more than when Bush took office. [Joint Economic Committee]
Bush promised that his tax cuts would pay for themselves, but they didn't. Conservatives persistently repeat the myth that, as Bush put it, "You cut taxes, and the tax revenues increase," or as John McCain declared in March, "tax cuts as we all know, increase revenues." But as Time magazine reported, "Virtually every economics Ph.D. who has worked in a prominent role in the Bush Administration acknowledges that the tax cuts enacted during the past six years have not paid for themselvesand were never intended to." [Time] In fact, Bush took office with a $236 billion surplus and will leave with a 2008 deficit of more than $400 billion. [The New York Times] The Bush tax cuts, which cost $300 billion last year alone, are primarily responsible for that deficit. [Center for Budget and Policy Priorities]
Bush promised that his tax cuts would help the middle class, but they didn't. During the 2000 campaign, Bush said his tax cuts focus "on low- and moderate-income families," and would provide the "greatest help for those most in need." [The New York Times] But in fact, the Bush tax cuts gave an average tax break of $118,000 to those who make over $1 million per year and only $740 per year to middle-income households. The bottom 20 percent of households received an average tax break of only $20. [CBPP]
Alan Greenspan says the country can't afford tax cuts of the magnitude proposed by Republican presidential contender John McCain...eliminating congressional earmark spending estimated at $17 billion annually cannot offset McCain's proposed tax cuts.
"That's a huge amount of money, but it's not even a drop in the bucket to pay for $3.5 trillion in tax cuts," she said. "So, every time he throws up earmarks and he's asked how he's going to pay for it, he knows he's being disingenuous, he knows he's not being forthcoming."
On a serious note, someone needs to tell Obama that Suitcase Nuke's are an urban legend. The smalles one produced weighed 800lbs.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
Wait a second though. So we can't afford McCain's tax cuts but we can afford $800 billion in federally run program's? Sorry Paul but even I can see that doesn't make any sense. And you and I both know that if the government says it will cost 800 it usually costs double.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
you guys really don't look this stuff up do you... 800 includes his energy/healthcare plans, etc... mccains energy plan alone could cost approx 350 billion. so neither are going to cut spending the way you may think
Fact of the matter is nobody really knows how much either of them are going to cost but after last night I still find myself agreeing with McCain more than Obama on Foreign policy.you guys really don't look this stuff up do you... 800 includes his energy/healthcare plans, etc... mccains energy plan alone could cost approx 350 billion. so neither are going to cut spending the way you may think
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
this doesn't nullify your last statements - both will have to shift/cut funding under our current bailout
You're absolutely right.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
You quote yahoo news LOL
Paul its so funny how we get each other in person but politics LOL we meeting up or what??!!
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Why would u even quote me bra!! If u aint got **** to say to me on some REAL ****is what we are talking bout in here then dont talk to me . I dont like u.
Dont worry bout it. Imma keep up with u one day. trust me.
I still want to know how, after all the years of "proof" that I'm not stupid, how you all of a sudden realize that I am. Later, QD.
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You don't even know what you're talking about.
So the **** what u think.
I aint bout to argue with ur **** ass man. But imma see bout u tho
beleave that.
LOL Gene actually has a point. You were mindlessly posting random **** with not actual point. If you don't want people to quote you or berate you about a post then just don't post.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
George W. Bush wins this debate hands down
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
h8ter - actually the link was to the greenspan article (it was on abc, ccn as well if you would like that)... politics are like religions... you can either crucify them or agree to disagree.
There u go again and agian. U just aint going to stop talking back. After i stop quoting back to u.
U and RED HEAD BOY!! got it coming one day. Not because of this thread. But because of all the **** yall 2 have been talkin in the past that yall maybe u think i forgot about.
CUZ im done talking to u lame ass im srt8 on it. Computer typing **** aint ****. Cant say all u want to say anyway typing . I aint got **** to prove to yall mother****ers.
:jerkit: . You're posts are almost incomprehensible.
Epic Foxbody Thread Crew Member #10
THATS WUZ UP lol
Well we (ohio) get our fuel from the gulf and we have gas
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