Originally Posted by tony
Definitely NOT off limits. That has more to do with her and the gov't system. But her 17year old daughter, that is too personal..
Definitely NOT off limits. That has more to do with her and the gov't system. But her 17year old daughter, that is too personal..
How's Edwards doing these days?
BTW:You have character, most politicians don't. Politics is the only place where you can lie for living and not go to jail. Which is why everyone has disagreements, because their candidates lies less than that other bastard.
Don't know.. don't care, he's not campaigning as VP.
I do want to say that, Obama is far from perfect. I have plenty of criticisms of him, but there has been an imbalance here as far as criticisms have gone. Obama chooses not to pounce on Palin's personal life and that is who he is, it pisses me off that he isn't a cut throat type politician like Hillary (she would jump on this in a SECOND) but oh well.
My main thing is, if you criticize Obama on issues with no real merit don't be quick to go back and forth with me when your candidate exposes their self with stuff that carries the same weight. Personally, I could care less about Palin.. she's a fellow Alaskan and I'm happy to see someone from my home state doing well. I just don't need 4 more years of Bush policy of which McCain himself doesn't believe in, he is only doing this to appease the party. She's a part of that initiative.
And that's why she isn't a candidate.
I went to Alaska last month and it was front page news.. I mean plastered all over the newspaper which is why I was shocked McCain chose her.
Alaska Governor and presumptive Republican vice presidential nominee for the 2008 United States presidential election Sarah Palin is currently, as of August 2008, being investigated by an independent investigator hired by the Alaska Legislature to determine whether she abused her power when she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan in July 2008.Palin denies wrongdoing, and the investigator's report is expected before the November 4, 2008 presidential election.
Palin says that she dismissed Monegan because of performance-related issues. However, Monegan says that his dismissal may have been tied to his reluctance to fire Mike Wooten, an Alaska State Trooper who is also Palin's ex-brother-in-law. Wooten was disciplined in 2006 for making a death threat against Palin's father, though he denied the accusation.
Hillary wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole. But her attack dogs (Begalla etc) would be on every network, while she sat back and plays innocent. But you're right, he (McCain) is doing this to appease the party (and to steal possible Hillary supporters). McCain was my Senator when I lived in Arizona and I really don't like him. Lesser of two evils in my eyes. If this country was a car, it's heading straight for a brick wall. Either hit it at 85mph or 65mph. End result is the same, how fast you wanna get there?
I agree. Most supporters of McCain don't have the right to say this is unfounded criticism, as the amount of insults they had to pull out of their asses to discredit Obama make using this situation as an argument valid. But that is coming from a politician's terms, not mine. At least Obama stood up and said it's wrong.
Seems we have the same views
She lost because she was cocky and didn't care about Caucus states, Obama only won because he had a 50 state initiative. The smear campaigns were working and honestly had she been more proactive early on her negative campaign would have worked.
If Obama loses its not because he's black, its because he's too nice when other politicians are willing to hit below the belt.
Atlas shrugged.
Read it.
Must be because we're good looking.
She would slide it in without directly touching on it. Something to the effect of; "Chelsea has always been a responsible child and practiced abstinence from day 1."
Thats if she was struggling in the polls, Clinton knows no gutter too deep and it often works.
She's a flat out evil woman...end of story.
I like Obama a lot as a person and I agree that if he loses it will be because people WILL hit below the belt and he IS too nice...No one votes for the right reasons anymore. It's "who has the prettiest background". I don't "hate" anyone, and I think McCain is the lesser of the evils, I've briefly read though both Obama's and McCains website's and I'm not very impressed with either.
I just pray that after this election someone REAL will come along, but ha but I've got a better shot at f*cking Jessica Barton tonight than that happening..
Must be
LOL, agreed.
Am I the only one that thought that when Obamas plane "malfunctioned" and he had to make an emergancy landing that she was behind it? I mean, she used that plane right before he did...
Here, let me end the argument for everyone.
Politicians Lie. For political gains, for personal gains, for just sh*ts and giggles.
Tony, you are a clear Obama supporter....so no matter what anyone tells you or shows to you, it won't matter. Obama's campaign smears McCain's campaign, and McCain's campaign smears Obama's, no one is innocent, so there is no such thing as someone being "nice" when they are running for president, because they are both competing for the top dog job.
the best way I have seen it put about campaigning is....
"Whoever wins, is just the better hustler, because in the end, they promise you what you want to hear to get your vote, and could give a damn about you for 4 more years until they need you again."
the he portion did, and i think we all saw how that went. to me it wasnt about what he did but more about how he lied about it.
because Obama chose to go to the church.
your argument holds water almost as well as this \/ \/
Ok and Obama admittedly did drugs and your point is?
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What's yours?
Just that Tony's argument really doesn't have a leg to stand on. He wants to yet again criticize the republican ticket without examining his own democratic ticket.
BTW here's the link to when Obama admits it. You need only watch the first 20 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7QTfns7W2A
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lol, i watched the whole saddleback thing today finally...i must admit i agree with some things that obama says, just like i disagree with some things mccain says....only problem is what i disagree on with obama are biggies...
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actually yes b/c obviously they don't need to be reproducing. i love die hard republicans b/c they are such hypocrites lets make a stance on how holy we are and how moral we are yet when sh!t goes wrong we make excuses on how we are weak and our morals don't mean sh!t in reality.
i am not democrat and i'm voting obama on the sheer factor you republicans have ****ed us long enough time to pass the gavel. last democrat we had in office showed america some of the best economic times history, but i'm sure your going to have some excuse on why that isn't true and how bush
bush is a moron, mccain is no better he didn't even know if he wanted to be republican flip flopping numerous times for his own political advantage - palin has 0% experience running a state w/ less people then Gwinnett County. people keep running their mouths about obamas lack of exp dude graduated from best law school in the country and practiced/taught constitutional law. biden is the best out of all 4.
most republicans are planning on voting republican on principle not on reality. everyone knows we are in the sh!t and republicans have been at the for front of this for the past 8 years.
Considering how this is trying to be a somewhat serious discussion, shouldn't it be in Wallstreet?
that just made you sound like a b*tch
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DWI?
Drunk within Igloo? i didn't know that was a crime in alaska....
QTFactually yes b/c obviously they don't need to be reproducing. i love die hard republicans b/c they are such hypocrites lets make a stance on how holy we are and how moral we are yet when sh!t goes wrong we make excuses on how we are weak and our morals don't mean sh!t in reality.
i am not democrat and i'm voting obama on the sheer factor you republicans have ****ed us long enough time to pass the gavel. last democrat we had in office showed america some of the best economic times history, but i'm sure your going to have some excuse on why that isn't true and how bush
bush is a moron, mccain is no better he didn't even know if he wanted to be republican flip flopping numerous times for his own political advantage - palin has 0% experience running a state w/ less people then Gwinnett County. people keep running their mouths about obamas lack of exp dude graduated from best law school in the country and practiced/taught constitutional law. biden is the best out of all 4.
most republicans are planning on voting republican on principle not on reality. everyone knows we are in the sh!t and republicans have been at the for front of this for the past 8 years.
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And lol at people trying to use her husband getting a DUI 20 years ago. Retards.
Driving While Intoxicated you silly Whasian.DWI?
LOUD NOISES!!!!!!
20 years ago.. Come on people!
And her daughter is getting married to the father of the baby.. keep in mind Obamas mother was only 18 when she had him.
we aren't electing obamas mother we are electing palin - and at the time obama was born getting preggers at 18 was fine. people graduated HS or not, got married and started families
doesn't matter if they marry anyway girl is 17 - where were her parents? sorry but that isn't acceptable in most homes here in the us. if she can't handle her family how can she manage the USA?
Admin I'm sorry but 20 months as governor is still more experience than Obama has in any form of leadership. Yes he went to one of the best schools in the country if not the world and may have tought a few classes here but, he has still yet to convince me he is ready for the job. Despite all his credentials if he were to go and apply for ownership of a Dairy Queen franchise he would have a slim and none chance of getting it because he has no business experience and again has never really led anything.
As for Palin, an 80% approval rating has to count for something. Yea her daughter is pregnant. But like I have said before and like I have always been told, one of the keys to being successful is being able to leave your personal problems at home and being able to come in and do the job you were asked to do. And so far, she has done that. I could really care less that her husband has a DUI from 20 years ago. Like I said earlier if you really want to start nit picking on someting like that, take a look at your own canidate who on national television admitted doing drugs and drank. The only difference between him and her wife is that Obama never got caught and charged. I find it quite humorous that the Dems and the media siding with the dems are honestly using this as an argument. The Obama-Biden ticket is the experience opposite of the McCain-Palin ticket. And frankly if that doesn't strike anybody as odd then I don't know what will.
Obama is a good guy but on the big stuff I disagree with him having read a lot of his stuff. That's just a fact of life. Some people agree with him some don't. It does have to be said though that Obama seems to be generally a good guy.
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Paul you will see one day when you have kids that because of a poor choice your child makes does not reflect soley on the parent or thier skills. That is a slap in the face to anyone who is a parent to even say that. A parent can bust thier a$$ to instill values and be there for thier child, But you cant be there 24/7 and when you are not able to watch them when they are out, you can ONLY PRAY and HOPE they go by what you have tried for so long to teach them. So are you saying any mistake you made in life makes your mom a bad parent? Your not saying that.... Because anything you did as a kid does not reflect on her only, Just like at 17 you were bangin chicks, does that make her bad or any less of a parent with good parent skills?
You all are using this as such total f*cking BS!! You cant judge soley a person on thier ability by what mistake thier child might make, We were all 17 once and you know damn well many of us were doing the same thing her daughter was doing, She just happened to be unlucky and get pregnant. So unless you are all saying you have ****ty parents because you made mistakes, End that arguement.
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I'M SORRY BUT THIS IS TOTAL BS. IN MOST HOUSEHOLDS, INCLUDING MY OWN WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, PREGNANCY AT 17 WAS AN UNTHINKABLE.
THE FACT THAT PPL FIND THIS ACCEPTABLE OR JUSTIFIABLE JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW MUCH SOCIETY AND OUR STANDARDS HAVE DECLINED.
SHIIT, IF I HAD GOTTEN SOMEONE PREG AT 17, I WOULD HAVE HAD MY ASS KICKED TO HELL AND BACK. WHEN I WAS 17, I WAS TOO BUSY WORRYING ABOUT COLLEGE AND SPORTS AND NOT OUT RUNNING WILD AND PARTYING N SHIIT. ANY PARENT THAT TRULY GIVES A SHIIT ABOUT THEIR CHILD'S FUTURE WOULD BE INVOLVED IN EVERY ASPECT OF THEIR CHILD'S LIFE TO ENSURE SUCCESS. MINE WERE. I HAD PLENTY OF FRIENDS WHO'S PARENTS WERE AS WELL...AND THEN THERE WERE THE PARENTS THAT GAVE THEIR KIDS ALL THE FREEDOM IN THE WORLD...AND THOSE WERE THE PARENTS WHO WERE BURYING THEIR KIDS BECAUSE OF A DRUNK DRIVING ACCIDENT OR AN OVERDOSE OR HELPING THEM RAISE KIDS THAT WERE BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK...
Interesting
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So am I, but at least my work computer still has a caps lock button.
Dont get me wrong, I dont condone it and say its acceptable. Not in ANY way. BUt what I saying is saying she or anyone is a bad mother because of it is not right. I dont care of she is Democrat or Republican, id still say its wrong to say someone is a bad parent for that.
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