Actually Obama's poll numbers dropped numerous times behind erroneous BS.
Okay since we're talking about substance and criticism. Lets talk about her brother in law the state trooper and what most likely was her abuse of power, care to comment or is that too personal as well?
If she in fact did abuse her power, then hell no it isn't too personal. I haven't looked into the issue so I don't know what all happened with it, but if she did something wrong then use it. That's the kind of thing that should be brought up.Originally Posted by tony
I went to Alaska last month and it was front page news.. I mean plastered all over the newspaper which is why I was shocked McCain chose her.
Alaska Governor and presumptive Republican vice presidential nominee for the 2008 United States presidential election Sarah Palin is currently, as of August 2008, being investigated by an independent investigator hired by the Alaska Legislature to determine whether she abused her power when she fired Public Safety Commissioner Walter Monegan in July 2008.Palin denies wrongdoing, and the investigator's report is expected before the November 4, 2008 presidential election.
Palin says that she dismissed Monegan because of performance-related issues. However, Monegan says that his dismissal may have been tied to his reluctance to fire Mike Wooten, an Alaska State Trooper who is also Palin's ex-brother-in-law. Wooten was disciplined in 2006 for making a death threat against Palin's father, though he denied the accusation.
No, that's fair game.
Definitely NOT off limits. That has more to do with her and the gov't system. But her 17year old daughter, that is too personal..
Hillary wouldn't touch this with a ten foot pole. But her attack dogs (Begalla etc) would be on every network, while she sat back and plays innocent. But you're right, he (McCain) is doing this to appease the party (and to steal possible Hillary supporters). McCain was my Senator when I lived in Arizona and I really don't like him. Lesser of two evils in my eyes. If this country was a car, it's heading straight for a brick wall. Either hit it at 85mph or 65mph. End result is the same, how fast you wanna get there?
Seems we have the same views
Must be because we're good looking.
Must be
She would slide it in without directly touching on it. Something to the effect of; "Chelsea has always been a responsible child and practiced abstinence from day 1."
Thats if she was struggling in the polls, Clinton knows no gutter too deep and it often works.
LOL, agreed.
Am I the only one that thought that when Obamas plane "malfunctioned" and he had to make an emergancy landing that she was behind it? I mean, she used that plane right before he did...
Atlas shrugged.
Read it.
Here, let me end the argument for everyone.
Politicians Lie. For political gains, for personal gains, for just sh*ts and giggles.
Tony, you are a clear Obama supporter....so no matter what anyone tells you or shows to you, it won't matter. Obama's campaign smears McCain's campaign, and McCain's campaign smears Obama's, no one is innocent, so there is no such thing as someone being "nice" when they are running for president, because they are both competing for the top dog job.
the best way I have seen it put about campaigning is....
"Whoever wins, is just the better hustler, because in the end, they promise you what you want to hear to get your vote, and could give a damn about you for 4 more years until they need you again."
the he portion did, and i think we all saw how that went. to me it wasnt about what he did but more about how he lied about it.
Ok and Obama admittedly did drugs and your point is?
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What's yours?
Just that Tony's argument really doesn't have a leg to stand on. He wants to yet again criticize the republican ticket without examining his own democratic ticket.
BTW here's the link to when Obama admits it. You need only watch the first 20 seconds.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7QTfns7W2A
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lol, i watched the whole saddleback thing today finally...i must admit i agree with some things that obama says, just like i disagree with some things mccain says....only problem is what i disagree on with obama are biggies...
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Considering how this is trying to be a somewhat serious discussion, shouldn't it be in Wallstreet?
DWI?
Drunk within Igloo? i didn't know that was a crime in alaska....
Driving While Intoxicated you silly Whasian.DWI?
And lol at people trying to use her husband getting a DUI 20 years ago. Retards.
LOUD NOISES!!!!!!
20 years ago.. Come on people!
And her daughter is getting married to the father of the baby.. keep in mind Obamas mother was only 18 when she had him.
we aren't electing obamas mother we are electing palin - and at the time obama was born getting preggers at 18 was fine. people graduated HS or not, got married and started families
doesn't matter if they marry anyway girl is 17 - where were her parents? sorry but that isn't acceptable in most homes here in the us. if she can't handle her family how can she manage the USA?
Admin I'm sorry but 20 months as governor is still more experience than Obama has in any form of leadership. Yes he went to one of the best schools in the country if not the world and may have tought a few classes here but, he has still yet to convince me he is ready for the job. Despite all his credentials if he were to go and apply for ownership of a Dairy Queen franchise he would have a slim and none chance of getting it because he has no business experience and again has never really led anything.
As for Palin, an 80% approval rating has to count for something. Yea her daughter is pregnant. But like I have said before and like I have always been told, one of the keys to being successful is being able to leave your personal problems at home and being able to come in and do the job you were asked to do. And so far, she has done that. I could really care less that her husband has a DUI from 20 years ago. Like I said earlier if you really want to start nit picking on someting like that, take a look at your own canidate who on national television admitted doing drugs and drank. The only difference between him and her wife is that Obama never got caught and charged. I find it quite humorous that the Dems and the media siding with the dems are honestly using this as an argument. The Obama-Biden ticket is the experience opposite of the McCain-Palin ticket. And frankly if that doesn't strike anybody as odd then I don't know what will.
Obama is a good guy but on the big stuff I disagree with him having read a lot of his stuff. That's just a fact of life. Some people agree with him some don't. It does have to be said though that Obama seems to be generally a good guy.
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dude your parents pay your bills i discredit everything you say b/c your just dumb. trying to say this house wife w/ 20 months experience and a journalism degree has more then a guy who graduated from harvard law, practiced/taught constitutional law, and been in the senate since 04'
your not too bright are you. i'm sure you one of those people who would argue the color of the sky.
sorry dude weak ass argument - getting preggers at 17 is totally parents lack of parenting. this is the problem w/ people today trying to blame everyone else but themselves. sorry but my daughter/son will not be coming home at 17 telling me their knocked up.
this is hilarious b/c RedGT and others were running their mouths about Palin was governor and preggers... well guess what while she was working on birthing her down syndrome baby her daughter was working on getting knocked up. i asked previously who will be taking care of the kids? um i will ask again since obviously Palin nor her husband are fit enough parents to watch their children let alone run our fine country.
sorry but palin sounds like she has some backwater redneck family morals. i'm sure her approval rating in GA will do fine
Paul, You know me brotha, You know I dont condone a girl at 17yo being pregnant nor would I put up with Brittanee being that way, What I am saying is YES it is a parents job to instill the correct morals and values, and we are liable for what they do, BUT we cant be at thier side 24/7 and if they f*ck up you cant right away say a parent is a bad mom or dad.
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Ok my Dad pays my bills. So all of a sudden because of that I'm not entitled to an opinion?dude your parents pay your bills i discredit everything you say b/c your just dumb. trying to say this house wife w/ 20 months experience and a journalism degree has more then a guy who graduated from harvard law, practiced/taught constitutional law, and been in the senate since 04'
your not too bright are you. i'm sure you one of those people who would argue the color of the sky.
sorry dude weak ass argument - getting preggers at 17 is totally parents lack of parenting. this is the problem w/ people today trying to blame everyone else but themselves. sorry but my daughter/son will not be coming home at 17 telling me their knocked up.
this is hilarious b/c RedGT and others were running their mouths about Palin was governor and preggers... well guess what while she was working on birthing her down syndrome baby her daughter was working on getting knocked up. i asked previously who will be taking care of the kids? um i will ask again since obviously Palin nor her husband are fit enough parents to watch their children let alone run our fine country.
sorry but palin sounds like she has some backwater redneck family morals. i'm sure her approval rating in GA will do fine
Again please point out to me other than this campaign, and The Harvard Law Review(which again is basically nothing more than a school newspaper), what has Obama managed on a day to day basis that has had a major impact on people's lives. This is something that nobody has been able to show me since the start of this campaign hence why I don't believe he is ready. His voting record while clear, his statements in the press are constantly changing.
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Paul you will see one day when you have kids that because of a poor choice your child makes does not reflect soley on the parent or thier skills. That is a slap in the face to anyone who is a parent to even say that. A parent can bust thier a$$ to instill values and be there for thier child, But you cant be there 24/7 and when you are not able to watch them when they are out, you can ONLY PRAY and HOPE they go by what you have tried for so long to teach them. So are you saying any mistake you made in life makes your mom a bad parent? Your not saying that.... Because anything you did as a kid does not reflect on her only, Just like at 17 you were bangin chicks, does that make her bad or any less of a parent with good parent skills?
You all are using this as such total f*cking BS!! You cant judge soley a person on thier ability by what mistake thier child might make, We were all 17 once and you know damn well many of us were doing the same thing her daughter was doing, She just happened to be unlucky and get pregnant. So unless you are all saying you have ****ty parents because you made mistakes, End that arguement.
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I'M SORRY BUT THIS IS TOTAL BS. IN MOST HOUSEHOLDS, INCLUDING MY OWN WHEN I WAS GROWING UP, PREGNANCY AT 17 WAS AN UNTHINKABLE.
THE FACT THAT PPL FIND THIS ACCEPTABLE OR JUSTIFIABLE JUST GOES TO SHOW HOW MUCH SOCIETY AND OUR STANDARDS HAVE DECLINED.
SHIIT, IF I HAD GOTTEN SOMEONE PREG AT 17, I WOULD HAVE HAD MY ASS KICKED TO HELL AND BACK. WHEN I WAS 17, I WAS TOO BUSY WORRYING ABOUT COLLEGE AND SPORTS AND NOT OUT RUNNING WILD AND PARTYING N SHIIT. ANY PARENT THAT TRULY GIVES A SHIIT ABOUT THEIR CHILD'S FUTURE WOULD BE INVOLVED IN EVERY ASPECT OF THEIR CHILD'S LIFE TO ENSURE SUCCESS. MINE WERE. I HAD PLENTY OF FRIENDS WHO'S PARENTS WERE AS WELL...AND THEN THERE WERE THE PARENTS THAT GAVE THEIR KIDS ALL THE FREEDOM IN THE WORLD...AND THOSE WERE THE PARENTS WHO WERE BURYING THEIR KIDS BECAUSE OF A DRUNK DRIVING ACCIDENT OR AN OVERDOSE OR HELPING THEM RAISE KIDS THAT WERE BORN OUT OF WEDLOCK...
Interesting
Dont get me wrong, I dont condone it and say its acceptable. Not in ANY way. BUt what I saying is saying she or anyone is a bad mother because of it is not right. I dont care of she is Democrat or Republican, id still say its wrong to say someone is a bad parent for that.
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I can't believe all of you are still B*tching about this. Grow the f*ck up and let it go. Your moral compasses are so f*cked up I'm surprised you can make it to your car after work.
ALL OF YOU are so F*CKING stupid! Listen to yourselves! You sit there and say "I'm not a democrat, but I'm voting for Obama cuz BUSH f*cked Us" blah blah F*CKING BLAH! Seriously, get over yourself and quit blaming EVERYTHING on ONE man. Yes he's the "leader" of the country. HE REPRESENTS this country. BUT the way our country works, you have a system in which a majority of ELECTED men/woman must approve of the Leader's decisions. So CLEARLY its not JUST him.
As far as this Sarah Palin BS....the family of a Politician is off limits. Period. That has NOTHING to do with how they are as a leader.
ALSO, you stupid f*cks who think that Obama is our countries savior and hate Republicans because they are hypocrites...not ALL republicans are religious. I'm not a republican I'm moderate and I AM religious. I think that those who are hypocrites should be reprimanded, but as far as parenting...sh*t happens. You can't be with your child every 5 minutes, and not matter WHAT children are defiant till the end in one way or the other ESPECIALLY at that girls age.
Let it go, its NOT that big of a F*cking deal. I really liked how classy Obama was to call off the dogs saying that she has nothing to do w/the campaign and to let it go. That was a good thing he did, one of many...But he NOR McCain are going to save this country. Its up to the people. Get over yourselves and quit b*tching. Grow up. YOUR DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE EVEN SAID "CHILDREN ARE OFF LIMITS". So STFU, /thread
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HOWEVER, IT WAS OK FOR PPL TO GO AFTER OBAMA'S WIFE HUH?
OK FOR THEM TO GO AFTER HIS HALF BROTHER, RIGHT?
YEA ,SO WHERE IS THE LINE DRAWN AND AT WHAT POINT?
OBAMA IS BEING A CLASS ACT AND NOT USING PALIN'S DAUGHTER AS AMMUNITION BUT IT WOULD NOT BE WRONG IF HE DID...THIS RACE HASN'T BEEN A FAIR FIGHT NOR SHOULD IT BE. ALL GLOVES SHOULD BE OFF.
I dont think Obama's family should be on the table either. People need to stick to facts about what each one stands for and let THAT speak for itself. Nothing else matters when it comes to running this country.
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