So much for Republican's family values.

[BobbyFresco]

Dont get me wrong, I dont condone it and say its acceptable. Not in ANY way. BUt what I saying is saying she or anyone is a bad mother because of it is not right. I dont care of she is Democrat or Republican, id still say its wrong to say someone is a bad parent for that.

I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOU'RE COMING FROM BUT AT THE SAME TIME A CHILD IS A PARENTS RESPONSIBILITY AND AS SUCH TO KNOW WHAT YOUR CHILD IS DOING, YOU KNOW? I MEAN I CAN'T SPEAK FOR OTHER PPL, BUT I LEARNED FROM EARLY ON THAT THE ACTIONS THAT I MAKE AFFECT AND REFLECT ON OTHER PEOPLE.

ALSO, I WASN'T MAKING A PERSONAL ATTACK ON YOU BRETT, SO PLEASE DON'T TAKE IT THAT WAY...

[Brett]

Oh I know you werent, I just know we as parents about kill ourselves trying to make sure our kids do the right thing, and we can tell them right from wrong till we are blue in the face, doesnt always mean it will work in our favor 100% of the time, nah mean?

[Reaper]

I can't believe all of you are still B*tching about this. Grow the f*ck up and let it go. Your moral compasses are so f*cked up I'm surprised you can make it to your car after work.

ALL OF YOU are so F*CKING stupid! Listen to yourselves! You sit there and say "I'm not a democrat, but I'm voting for Obama cuz BUSH f*cked Us" blah blah F*CKING BLAH! Seriously, get over yourself and quit blaming EVERYTHING on ONE man. Yes he's the "leader" of the country. HE REPRESENTS this country. BUT the way our country works, you have a system in which a majority of ELECTED men/woman must approve of the Leader's decisions. So CLEARLY its not JUST him.

As far as this Sarah Palin BS....the family of a Politician is off limits. Period. That has NOTHING to do with how they are as a leader.

ALSO, you stupid f*cks who think that Obama is our countries savior and hate Republicans because they are hypocrites...not ALL republicans are religious. I'm not a republican I'm moderate and I AM religious. I think that those who are hypocrites should be reprimanded, but as far as parenting...sh*t happens. You can't be with your child every 5 minutes, and not matter WHAT children are defiant till the end in one way or the other ESPECIALLY at that girls age.


Let it go, its NOT that big of a F*cking deal. I really liked how classy Obama was to call off the dogs saying that she has nothing to do w/the campaign and to let it go. That was a good thing he did, one of many...But he NOR McCain are going to save this country. Its up to the people. Get over yourselves and quit b*tching. Grow up. YOUR DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE EVEN SAID "CHILDREN ARE OFF LIMITS". So STFU, /thread

[Brett]

you can't be with your child every 5 minutes, and not matter WHAT children are defiant till the end in one way or the other ESPECIALLY at that girls age.


Let it go, its NOT that big of a F*cking deal.was to call off the dogs saying that she has nothing to do w/the campaign and to let it go. That was a good thing he did

[BobbyFresco]

HOWEVER, IT WAS OK FOR PPL TO GO AFTER OBAMA'S WIFE HUH?

OK FOR THEM TO GO AFTER HIS HALF BROTHER, RIGHT?


YEA ,SO WHERE IS THE LINE DRAWN AND AT WHAT POINT?


OBAMA IS BEING A CLASS ACT AND NOT USING PALIN'S DAUGHTER AS AMMUNITION BUT IT WOULD NOT BE WRONG IF HE DID...THIS RACE HASN'T BEEN A FAIR FIGHT NOR SHOULD IT BE. ALL GLOVES SHOULD BE OFF.

[Brett]

I dont think Obama's family should be on the table either. People need to stick to facts about what each one stands for and let THAT speak for itself. Nothing else matters when it comes to running this country.

[Reaper]

HOWEVER, IT WAS OK FOR PPL TO GO AFTER OBAMA'S WIFE HUH?

OK FOR THEM TO GO AFTER HIS HALF BROTHER, RIGHT?


YEA ,SO WHERE IS THE LINE DRAWN AND AT WHAT POINT?


OBAMA IS BEING A CLASS ACT AND NOT USING PALIN'S DAUGHTER AS AMMUNITION BUT IT WOULD NOT BE WRONG IF HE DID...THIS RACE HASN'T BEEN A FAIR FIGHT NOR SHOULD IT BE. ALL GLOVES SHOULD BE OFF.

He's ALWAYS been a class act, and as Tony said last night that could be what kills him in the end.

I don't agree that his wife was attacked at all. But 2 wrongs don't make it right. Obama's being the better person in all of this....why can't everyone else? If the Democrats or "those who want Obama to win" want him to win so bad and believe in him, then follow his example...

[Reaper]

I dont think Obama's family should be on the table either. People need to stick to facts about what each one stands for and let THAT speak for itself. Nothing else matters when it comes to running this country.

I agree with you 100%.. its about who's running, NOT there family.The Obama NOR McCain parties families should be involved what so ever.


I'm starting to relate democrats to UF(florida) fans. Arrogant, always right, cocky as hell, annoying as f*ck. And the more I listen to them, the more I can't stand them. Them being there views...My best friend is a democrat and is so PRO-OBAMA is not funny..I cannot f*cking wait till this election is over.

[Brett]

Yeah nothing on this site stirs up more emotion and debates/arguements than election time

[Reaper]

Yeah nothing on this site stirs up more emotion and debates/arguements than election time

my friend and his gf have NEVER fought in the 3 years they have been together and engaged this past year....Now they argue all the time about this sh*t....lol

[Brett]

No other topic brings the passion each person believes in more than politics. We each believe what we do and will defend it till the death, Doesnt make either side wrong, just means we are passionate about what we believe.

[4dmin]

Admin I'm sorry but 20 months as governor is still more experience than Obama has in any form of leadership. Yes he went to one of the best schools in the country if not the world and may have tought a few classes here but, he has still yet to convince me he is ready for the job. Despite all his credentials if he were to go and apply for ownership of a Dairy Queen franchise he would have a slim and none chance of getting it because he has no business experience and again has never really led anything.

As for Palin, an 80% approval rating has to count for something. Yea her daughter is pregnant. But like I have said before and like I have always been told, one of the keys to being successful is being able to leave your personal problems at home and being able to come in and do the job you were asked to do. And so far, she has done that. I could really care less that her husband has a DUI from 20 years ago. Like I said earlier if you really want to start nit picking on someting like that, take a look at your own canidate who on national television admitted doing drugs and drank. The only difference between him and her wife is that Obama never got caught and charged. I find it quite humorous that the Dems and the media siding with the dems are honestly using this as an argument. The Obama-Biden ticket is the experience opposite of the McCain-Palin ticket. And frankly if that doesn't strike anybody as odd then I don't know what will.

Obama is a good guy but on the big stuff I disagree with him having read a lot of his stuff. That's just a fact of life. Some people agree with him some don't. It does have to be said though that Obama seems to be generally a good guy.

dude your parents pay your bills i discredit everything you say b/c your just dumb. trying to say this house wife w/ 20 months experience and a journalism degree has more then a guy who graduated from harvard law, practiced/taught constitutional law, and been in the senate since 04' (i know 4 years is difficult to calculated into months)

your not too bright are you. i'm sure you one of those people who would argue the color of the sky.

Paul you will see one day when you have kids that because of a poor choice your child makes does not reflect soley on the parent or thier skills. That is a slap in the face to anyone who is a parent to even say that. A parent can bust thier a$$ to instill values and be there for thier child, But you cant be there 24/7 and when you are not able to watch them when they are out, you can ONLY PRAY and HOPE they go by what you have tried for so long to teach them. So are you saying any mistake you made in life makes your mom a bad parent? Your not saying that.... Because anything you did as a kid does not reflect on her only, Just like at 17 you were bangin chicks, does that make her bad or any less of a parent with good parent skills?

You all are using this as such total f*cking BS!! You cant judge soley a person on thier ability by what mistake thier child might make, We were all 17 once and you know damn well many of us were doing the same thing her daughter was doing, She just happened to be unlucky and get pregnant. So unless you are all saying you have ****ty parents because you made mistakes, End that arguement.

sorry dude weak ass argument - getting preggers at 17 is totally parents lack of parenting. this is the problem w/ people today trying to blame everyone else but themselves. sorry but my daughter/son will not be coming home at 17 telling me their knocked up.

this is hilarious b/c RedGT and others were running their mouths about Palin was governor and preggers... well guess what while she was working on birthing her down syndrome baby her daughter was working on getting knocked up. i asked previously who will be taking care of the kids? um i will ask again since obviously Palin nor her husband are fit enough parents to watch their children let alone run our fine country.

sorry but palin sounds like she has some backwater redneck family morals. i'm sure her approval rating in GA will do fine

[Reaper]

No other topic brings the passion each person believes in more than politics. We each believe what we do and will defend it till the death, Doesnt make either side wrong, just means we are passionate about what we believe.

At least someone gets it

[4dmin]

I SEE YOU LURKING JAIMECBR900 I KNOW YOUR REPUBLICAN... WOULD YOU MIND IF YOUR DAUGHTER CAME HOME PREGGERS AT 17?

[Brett]

sorry dude weak ass argument - getting preggers at 17 is totally parents lack of parenting. this is the problem w/ people today trying to blame everyone else but themselves. sorry but my daughter/son will not be coming home at 17 telling me their knocked up.

Paul, You know me brotha, You know I dont condone a girl at 17yo being pregnant nor would I put up with Brittanee being that way, What I am saying is YES it is a parents job to instill the correct morals and values, and we are liable for what they do, BUT we cant be at thier side 24/7 and if they f*ck up you cant right away say a parent is a bad mom or dad.

[Brett]

I SEE YOU LURKING JAIMECBR900 I KNOW YOUR REPUBLICAN... WOULD YOU MIND IF YOUR DAUGHTER CAME HOME PREGGERS AT 17?

if he is in here he is doing a reply, and YOU KNOW it will be a book. so run down the street, get some lunch and maybe he will be done by the time we get back

[Crazy Asian]

ugh Palin....Im even more nervous about her. Seriously Alaska? Why?

[bigdare23]

This is kinda IRONIC...

[4dmin]

Paul, You know me brotha, You know I dont condone a girl at 17yo being pregnant nor would I put up with Brittanee being that way, What I am saying is YES it is a parents job to instill the correct morals and values, and we are liable for what they do, BUT we cant be at thier side 24/7 and if they f*ck up you cant right away say a parent is a bad mom or dad.

problem w/ republicans on this is they will make excuses - you can't honestly think a woman who is too consumed w/ her own life not to be around for her children can run our gov't... we are talking 300+ million people not 5500 people from the backwater town of Wasilla, AL. this is like putting Barney Fife in charge as president

[wantboost]

^still would have been better than bush LOLOL

[Brett]

problem w/ republicans on this is they will make excuses - you can't honestly think a woman who is too consumed w/ her own life not to be around for her children can run our gov't... we are talking 300+ million people not 5500 people from the backwater town of Wasilla, AL. this is like putting Barney Fife in charge as president

Kind of like how Democrats made excuses for Bill Clinton when he admitted drug use in his younger years, or was getting head from his intern, no different

[Brett]

... oh and Jamie has been typing his reply it shows for a little bit now, so be ready Paul!!

[Brett]

Damn he has been typing it says since 2:31, Damn this is gonna be a long one!!

[JITB]

Kind of like how Democrats made excuses for Bill Clinton when he admitted drug use in his younger years, or was getting head from his intern, no different

if ur playin on a team with people, and one of your teamates get in trouble they say they didnt do it.. you believe them and you stick to their side until otherwise. I mean clinton was impeached... he got punished..regardless of what excuses they made up.


I keep hearing this at the RNC

"this is the type of thing thats happening in america"

but i also heard its not a good look by the standards of most republicans, whoare saying in politics nothing is of limits, when ur runnin for VP. Much like they kept chanting when they were ragging on his family and wife. So it works both ways, alot of them were upset that it didnt come out at the time instead of being forced out by rumors.

[Brett]

I dont support personal family being brought into the debates if its Obamas or McCains, etc.... Both parties should stick to the facts of what they can offer to do best for this country. Nothing else should matter, nah mean?

[4dmin]

Kind of like how Democrats made excuses for Bill Clinton when he admitted drug use in his younger years, or was getting head from his intern, no different

well the pot isn't even worth mentioning... sh!t bush got DUI.

but BS w/ intern is totally unfitting for a president. come'on ... the president/vp are supposed to be seen as a heros not in the same light as daytime soap stars

[4dmin]

Damn he has been typing it says since 2:31, Damn this is gonna be a long one!!

dayum i shouldn't of called out jaime server gonna crash once he post that novel he is working on

[Brett]

well the pot isn't even worth mentioning... sh!t bush got DUI.

but BS w/ intern is totally unfitting for a president. come'on ... the president/vp are supposed to be seen as a heros not in the same light as daytime soap stars

I agree, Clinton, McCain, Obama, None of them should be caught up in that kind of stuff, They are supposed to be looked at at as having better morals and values

[Brett]

dayum i shouldn't of called out jaime server gonna crash once he post that novel he is working on

Damn he is still typing it shows.... Ohhhhhh you done did it now Paul!! IA will be down for weeks!!

[4dmin]

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everyone get your last word in jaime still typing... server will crash once he is done

[Jaimecbr900]

Tony, I'm surprised you're biting into this whole "her daughter is pregnant, so that means she can't be the VP" BS. Let's look at things logically.

1. Her DAUGHTER is NOT on the ballot. Why does the Democratic party place so much emphasis on that? Because they have nothing else. Plain and simple. If we wanted to place emphasis on the ROOTS of a candidate, let's see:

A. Obama's father abandoned him at 2 and divorced his mother only to basically never see him or his 6 or 7 siblings again. Is that a reflection of Obama or HIS FATHER? Is that going to play towards his "family values" coming from a broken home background?
B. OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED to using drugs. Yes, DRUGS with an "S". He admitted to using Marijuana AND Cocaine AND Alcohol while in HS. Does that reflect on his views of illegal drugs, policing, preventing, using, or anything that has to do with drugs? Unlike someone's HUSBAND that may have gotten a DUI 20 years ago , this is something OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED TO DOING. Why is him using drugs, even recreationally, "OK" to Obama supporters, yet those same supporters are chastasing Palin for her HUSBAND'S 20 yr old mistake???? Kidding me, right? Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
C. Obama was an unknown just 4 short years ago. Suddenly, and because he's black (yep, I said it), he's the new savoir and messiah??? Okie, dokie. He's been a State representative longer than he ever was a Senator. And if you ever notice that's where most of his "accomplishments" that everyone keeps using as part of his resume came from. He's NEVER been any higher than a Senator, and he's only been that for 4 yrs. What big corporation has he successfully run? What pull does he really have when it comes to foreign policy? How exactly does he plan on funding all those "changes"?
D. Speaking of the platform and battle cry of "change".......how are those "changes" going to be paid for? Think about that.

I have somewhere to go, but I'll continue when I come back......

[Brett]

Tony, I'm surprised you're biting into this whole "her daughter is pregnant, so that means she can't be the VP" BS. Let's look at things logically.

1. Her DAUGHTER is NOT on the ballot. Why does the Democratic party place so much emphasis on that? Because they have nothing else. Plain and simple. If we wanted to place emphasis on the ROOTS of a candidate, let's see:

A. Obama's father abandoned him at 2 and divorced his mother only to basically never see him or his 6 or 7 siblings again. Is that a reflection of Obama or HIS FATHER? Is that going to play towards his "family values" coming from a broken home background?
B. OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED to using drugs. Yes, DRUGS with an "S". He admitted to using Marijuana AND Cocaine AND Alcohol while in HS. Does that reflect on his views of illegal drugs, policing, preventing, using, or anything that has to do with drugs? Unlike someone's HUSBAND that may have gotten a DUI 20 years ago , this is something OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED TO DOING. Why is him using drugs, even recreationally, "OK" to Obama supporters, yet those same supporters are chastasing Palin for her HUSBAND'S 20 yr old mistake???? Kidding me, right? Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
C. Obama was an unknown just 4 short years ago. Suddenly, and because he's black (yep, I said it), he's the new savoir and messiah??? Okie, dokie. He's been a State representative longer than he ever was a Senator. And if you ever notice that's where most of his "accomplishments" that everyone keeps using as part of his resume came from. He's NEVER been any higher than a Senator, and he's only been that for 4 yrs. What big corporation has he successfully run? What pull does he really have when it comes to foreign policy? How exactly does he plan on funding all those "changes"?
D. Speaking of the platform and battle cry of "change".......how are those "changes" going to be paid for? Think about that.

I have somewhere to go, but I'll continue when I come back......

..... and this is why I was waiting, man speaks truth!! Now lets see what the Democrat replies will be

[JITB]

Tony, I'm surprised you're biting into this whole "her daughter is pregnant, so that means she can't be the VP" BS. Let's look at things logically.

1. Her DAUGHTER is NOT on the ballot. Why does the Democratic party place so much emphasis on that? Because they have nothing else. Plain and simple. If we wanted to place emphasis on the ROOTS of a candidate, let's see:

A. Obama's father abandoned him at 2 and divorced his mother only to basically never see him or his 6 or 7 siblings again. Is that a reflection of Obama or HIS FATHER? Is that going to play towards his "family values" coming from a broken home background?
B. OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED to using drugs. Yes, DRUGS with an "S". He admitted to using Marijuana AND Cocaine AND Alcohol while in HS. Does that reflect on his views of illegal drugs, policing, preventing, using, or anything that has to do with drugs? Unlike someone's HUSBAND that may have gotten a DUI 20 years ago , this is something OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED TO DOING. Why is him using drugs, even recreationally, "OK" to Obama supporters, yet those same supporters are chastasing Palin for her HUSBAND'S 20 yr old mistake???? Kidding me, right? Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
C. Obama was an unknown just 4 short years ago. Suddenly, and because he's black (yep, I said it), he's the new savoir and messiah??? Okie, dokie. He's been a State representative longer than he ever was a Senator. And if you ever notice that's where most of his "accomplishments" that everyone keeps using as part of his resume came from. He's NEVER been any higher than a Senator, and he's only been that for 4 yrs. What big corporation has he successfully run? What pull does he really have when it comes to foreign policy? How exactly does he plan on funding all those "changes"?
D. Speaking of the platform and battle cry of "change".......how are those "changes" going to be paid for? Think about that.

I have somewhere to go, but I'll continue when I come back......

for 1 thing the Democrats havent even made an issue out of it at all...really. There has been 1 statement about it form the one person that it matters.. and it was simply.. "its off limits"

theres plenty of foreign policy obama speaks about....u can read if ur interested
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/

Is McCains foreign policy is any different from bush's, which has proven to be a failure.

[BobbyFresco]

Tony, I'm surprised you're biting into this whole "her daughter is pregnant, so that means she can't be the VP" BS. Let's look at things logically.

1. Her DAUGHTER is NOT on the ballot. Why does the Democratic party place so much emphasis on that? Because they have nothing else. Plain and simple. If we wanted to place emphasis on the ROOTS of a candidate, let's see:

A. Obama's father abandoned him at 2 and divorced his mother only to basically never see him or his 6 or 7 siblings again. Is that a reflection of Obama or HIS FATHER? Is that going to play towards his "family values" coming from a broken home background?
B. OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED to using drugs. Yes, DRUGS with an "S". He admitted to using Marijuana AND Cocaine AND Alcohol while in HS. Does that reflect on his views of illegal drugs, policing, preventing, using, or anything that has to do with drugs? Unlike someone's HUSBAND that may have gotten a DUI 20 years ago , this is something OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED TO DOING. Why is him using drugs, even recreationally, "OK" to Obama supporters, yet those same supporters are chastasing Palin for her HUSBAND'S 20 yr old mistake???? Kidding me, right? Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
C. Obama was an unknown just 4 short years ago. Suddenly, and because he's black (yep, I said it), he's the new savoir and messiah??? Okie, dokie. He's been a State representative longer than he ever was a Senator. And if you ever notice that's where most of his "accomplishments" that everyone keeps using as part of his resume came from. He's NEVER been any higher than a Senator, and he's only been that for 4 yrs. What big corporation has he successfully run? What pull does he really have when it comes to foreign policy? How exactly does he plan on funding all those "changes"?
D. Speaking of the platform and battle cry of "change".......how are those "changes" going to be paid for? Think about that.

I have somewhere to go, but I'll continue when I come back......

First off let's keep this civil and with that being said.....


1. Michelle Obama isn't on the ballot either but you Republicans jumped on comments she made. Repeatedly. If she was fair game then so is Palin's child. A child having a child.

A. Obama's father leaving his family does not reflect on Senator Obama's OWN family values. Also the fact that he is married to, has kids with and only with his wife, and has gotten as far as he has coming from a broken household shows his true character and how much of a family man he really is. Mccain cheated on his wife, left her for his mistress etc etc. Palin has a pregnant child. Family values what?

B. I agree that Palin's husband's actions from 20 years ago have no bearing on the now the same way Obama's past drug use, which Republicans jumped on as well, plays an insignificant role on the present.

C. Can anyone honestly say that they knew who Palin was before she was announced as Mccain's running mate? What significant role has she played in any position she's held? What corporations has she run? Does she know how many homes she owns, unlike Mccain? Can she effectively hold a position that would require much of her time when she's about to be a grandmother and also has a mentally handicapped child of her own? Is she ready to lead a nation of millions should anything happen to Mccain, when she hasn't had any responsibility that is comparable?

[4dmin]

Tony, I'm surprised you're biting into this whole "her daughter is pregnant, so that means she can't be the VP" BS. Let's look at things logically.

1. Her DAUGHTER is NOT on the ballot. Why does the Democratic party place so much emphasis on that? Because they have nothing else. Plain and simple. If we wanted to place emphasis on the ROOTS of a candidate, let's see:

A. Obama's father abandoned him at 2 and divorced his mother only to basically never see him or his 6 or 7 siblings again. Is that a reflection of Obama or HIS FATHER? Is that going to play towards his "family values" coming from a broken home background?
B. OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED to using drugs. Yes, DRUGS with an "S". He admitted to using Marijuana AND Cocaine AND Alcohol while in HS. Does that reflect on his views of illegal drugs, policing, preventing, using, or anything that has to do with drugs? Unlike someone's HUSBAND that may have gotten a DUI 20 years ago , this is something OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED TO DOING. Why is him using drugs, even recreationally, "OK" to Obama supporters, yet those same supporters are chastasing Palin for her HUSBAND'S 20 yr old mistake???? Kidding me, right? Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
C. Obama was an unknown just 4 short years ago. Suddenly, and because he's black (yep, I said it), he's the new savoir and messiah??? Okie, dokie. He's been a State representative longer than he ever was a Senator. And if you ever notice that's where most of his "accomplishments" that everyone keeps using as part of his resume came from. He's NEVER been any higher than a Senator, and he's only been that for 4 yrs. What big corporation has he successfully run? What pull does he really have when it comes to foreign policy? How exactly does he plan on funding all those "changes"?
D. Speaking of the platform and battle cry of "change".......how are those "changes" going to be paid for? Think about that.

I have somewhere to go, but I'll continue when I come back......

i don't think anyone is questioning the daughters judgment but the parents... your trying to tell me you would be OK if your daughter was preggers? there is a reason she is - lack of parenting/monitoring. unfortunately this may be common in a lot of households but it is not acceptable by any means. her parents obviously were too consumed w/ their lives to watch their current children.

a) again you are twisting position... issue w/ underage pregnancy is parents not child. you can't expect to hold child accountable for actions.

b) so what if he used drugs in HS atleast he is telling the truth; unfortunately not all of them have to take polygraph i'm sure we would of got way better skeletons then what has been currently released.

c) i already stated is resume practicing/teaching constitutional law and holding law degree from the top school in the us is quite an achievement... if we want to talk accomplishments Bush buried multiple companies before becoming president; yet you voted for him 2x. so your going to have to come up w/ another angle. http://alaric3rh.home.sprynet.com/science/bceo.html

foriegn policy - you have to be kidding the obama world tour yeilded more frenzy then bushes foriegn policy for the past 8 years. people outside the US can't stand Bush.

funding will have to come from taxes it is obvious and has already been called to attention you make 250k+ expect to payout to help out our current situation. sorry it is just the breaks.

d) ^ (c)...

i love jaime i can always count on him every 4 years to be ready to roll

[Brett]

Yeah he always keeps it real

[4dmin]

lol i couldn't help myself

[BobbyFresco]

Bhahahahaha....

[tony]

Tony, I'm surprised you're biting into this whole "her daughter is pregnant, so that means she can't be the VP" BS. Let's look at things logically.

1. Her DAUGHTER is NOT on the ballot. Why does the Democratic party place so much emphasis on that? Because they have nothing else. Plain and simple. If we wanted to place emphasis on the ROOTS of a candidate, let's see:

A. Obama's father abandoned him at 2 and divorced his mother only to basically never see him or his 6 or 7 siblings again. Is that a reflection of Obama or HIS FATHER? Is that going to play towards his "family values" coming from a broken home background?
B. OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED to using drugs. Yes, DRUGS with an "S". He admitted to using Marijuana AND Cocaine AND Alcohol while in HS. Does that reflect on his views of illegal drugs, policing, preventing, using, or anything that has to do with drugs? Unlike someone's HUSBAND that may have gotten a DUI 20 years ago , this is something OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED TO DOING. Why is him using drugs, even recreationally, "OK" to Obama supporters, yet those same supporters are chastasing Palin for her HUSBAND'S 20 yr old mistake???? Kidding me, right? Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
C. Obama was an unknown just 4 short years ago. Suddenly, and because he's black (yep, I said it), he's the new savoir and messiah??? Okie, dokie. He's been a State representative longer than he ever was a Senator. And if you ever notice that's where most of his "accomplishments" that everyone keeps using as part of his resume came from. He's NEVER been any higher than a Senator, and he's only been that for 4 yrs. What big corporation has he successfully run? What pull does he really have when it comes to foreign policy? How exactly does he plan on funding all those "changes"?
D. Speaking of the platform and battle cry of "change".......how are those "changes" going to be paid for? Think about that.

I have somewhere to go, but I'll continue when I come back......

Okay, theres a few parts as to why I take the position I take.

1. Admittedly, this is personal. I wont go all into it because it will be obvious that I take politics to heart. I am biased in the fact that I do support Obama, and it goes much deeper than just race.

2. I do not condone a lower standard of morale in the Whitehouse, I don't care who did what, ANYONE at the executive level of government needs to be a shining example for the people. I'm sorry, a 17 year old unwed pregnant daughter does not meet that morale standard.

3. On this whole executive experience thing, its flat out bull****. Obama (a newcomer) has managed a campaign that will now serve as a clinic for political campaigns for as long as Palin has been governor. He has no executive experience? I'd LOVE to see Sarah Palin run a campaign that comes remotely close to Obama's management skill. Put them on the same court, start from square one and you and I both know who will come out ahead. If he could defeat Hillary, Palin is a walk in the park.

4. The other difference between Palin and Obama? One has been vetted, the other has not, which makes the latter a dumb ass choice for Vice President. All of Obama's business has been wrung out in the public, he has withstood attacks on his wife, mother, father, everyone around him. Palin has skeletons in the closet and now its supposed to be overlooked. If Obama is being elected because he is black then Palin is getting a pass cause she is white.. yeah I said it.

[EJ25RUN]

Alot of you guys used to bring up good points but after reading the first 2 pages, this has turned into a pretty meaningless thread.