So much for Republican's family values.

[JITB]

Tony, I'm surprised you're biting into this whole "her daughter is pregnant, so that means she can't be the VP" BS. Let's look at things logically.

1. Her DAUGHTER is NOT on the ballot. Why does the Democratic party place so much emphasis on that? Because they have nothing else. Plain and simple. If we wanted to place emphasis on the ROOTS of a candidate, let's see:

A. Obama's father abandoned him at 2 and divorced his mother only to basically never see him or his 6 or 7 siblings again. Is that a reflection of Obama or HIS FATHER? Is that going to play towards his "family values" coming from a broken home background?
B. OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED to using drugs. Yes, DRUGS with an "S". He admitted to using Marijuana AND Cocaine AND Alcohol while in HS. Does that reflect on his views of illegal drugs, policing, preventing, using, or anything that has to do with drugs? Unlike someone's HUSBAND that may have gotten a DUI 20 years ago , this is something OBAMA HIMSELF ADMITTED TO DOING. Why is him using drugs, even recreationally, "OK" to Obama supporters, yet those same supporters are chastasing Palin for her HUSBAND'S 20 yr old mistake???? Kidding me, right? Hello Pot, meet Kettle.
C. Obama was an unknown just 4 short years ago. Suddenly, and because he's black (yep, I said it), he's the new savoir and messiah??? Okie, dokie. He's been a State representative longer than he ever was a Senator. And if you ever notice that's where most of his "accomplishments" that everyone keeps using as part of his resume came from. He's NEVER been any higher than a Senator, and he's only been that for 4 yrs. What big corporation has he successfully run? What pull does he really have when it comes to foreign policy? How exactly does he plan on funding all those "changes"?
D. Speaking of the platform and battle cry of "change".......how are those "changes" going to be paid for? Think about that.

I have somewhere to go, but I'll continue when I come back......

for 1 thing the Democrats havent even made an issue out of it at all...really. There has been 1 statement about it form the one person that it matters.. and it was simply.. "its off limits"

theres plenty of foreign policy obama speaks about....u can read if ur interested
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/

Is McCains foreign policy is any different from bush's, which has proven to be a failure.

[Jaimecbr900]

for 1 thing the Democrats havent even made an issue out of it at all...really. There has been 1 statement about it form the one person that it matters.. and it was simply.. "its off limits"

Yes they indeed have. Look at this thread as an example of how deep people will dig when they are looking for straws to grasp. When you have no credibility and only a pretty smile, you will look for anything to help your cause. This is just but exhibit A of how the Democratic party plays politics.

theres plenty of foreign policy obama speaks about....u can read if ur interested
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/

We've all read it. Pull the troops out, leave another war unfinished, let the Terrorists fill the void. Got it. It's the same battle cry the Democratic party has been singing for over a decade. It's not "new" nor "change". Anyone can have a "foreign policy". Hell, I have one. Question is, can you get it DONE? This is where lack of experience and pull comes into play, although the Obama camp wants to down play it.



That's one. I'll come back for the rest in a little while after son's football practice.....

[AznTraitor]

Pull the troops out, leave another war unfinished, let the Terrorists fill the void. Got it. It's the same battle cry the Democratic party has been singing for over a decade. It's not "new" nor "change". Anyone can have a "foreign policy". Hell, I have one. Question is, can you get it DONE? This is where lack of experience and pull comes into play, although the Obama camp wants to down play it.

Agreed x 1000.

[4dmin]

We've all read it. Pull the troops out, leave another war unfinished, let the Terrorists fill the void. Got it. It's the same battle cry the Democratic party has been singing for over a decade. It's not "new" nor "change". Anyone can have a "foreign policy". Hell, I have one. Question is, can you get it DONE? This is where lack of experience and pull comes into play, although the Obama camp wants to down play it.



That's one. I'll come back for the rest in a little while after son's football practice.....

dayum your son's football practice why can't you be more like palin

mccain has a good foriegn policy? i mean honestly there hasn't been on shred of press on what he plans on doing more on what him and bush see eye to eye which you and i both know has not worked for this past decade.

again - people like the guy on first impression that alone says alot. people can not stand bush and it is well known - he is seen as the antichrist in many countries.

Again please point out to me other than this campaign, and The Harvard Law Review(which again is basically nothing more than a school newspaper), what has Obama managed on a day to day basis that has had a major impact on people's lives. This is something that nobody has been able to show me since the start of this campaign hence why I don't believe he is ready. His voting record while clear, his statements in the press are constantly changing.

again you have selective reading skills - the guy was a practicing civil rights lawyer and then taught constitutional law which from what i know... the constitution is what we are founded on. so i would go to say he probably knows law and US gov infrastructure better then anyone on the ticket. he has 4 years as sentor to top it off to put him on the ticket.

you again are trying to debate a chick who has journalism degree 0% exp is in the same class as a guy w/ a law degree from harvard and years exp in law/senate. dude it is no contest you are trying to move focus off the facts. palin is a nobody and is far from the person the republicans were expecting to take the place of hilary. feminazis are not going to vote for her especially now showing is the a very weak role model for women. she can't even manage her household and you want to put her in power of the worlds most powerful country please.

[Alan®]

dayum your son's football practice why can't you be more like palin

mccain has a good foriegn policy? i mean honestly there hasn't been on shred of press on what he plans on doing more on what him and bush see eye to eye which you and i both know has not worked for this past decade.

again - people like the guy on first impression that alone says alot. people can not stand bush and it is well known - he is seen as the antichrist in many countries.



again you have selective reading skills - the guy was a practicing civil rights lawyer and then taught constitutional law which from what i know... the constitution is what we are founded on. so i would go to say he probably knows law and US gov infrastructure better then anyone on the ticket. he has 4 years as sentor to top it off to put him on the ticket.

you again are trying to debate a chick who has journalism degree 0% exp is in the same class as a guy w/ a law degree from harvard and years exp in law/senate. dude it is no contest you are trying to move focus off the facts. palin is a nobody and is far from the person the republicans were expecting to take the place of hilary. feminazis are not going to vote for her especially now showing is the a very weak role model for women. she can't even manage her household and you want to put her in power of the worlds most powerful country please.

I'm not selectively reading anything. I have heard it from you and Tony that the guy graduated from Harvard and taught constitutional law etc. My honest of Obama is this. The guy is more than qualified to be oh IDK Attorney General or a Judge but not YET ready to be president. Like you said he has an awesome knowledge of the Constitution but yet to prove that he has the leadership necessary to do the job. To me Obama is just another excuse for this country to leave the line Personal Responsibility and Government Duty. People are doing less and less for themselves but yet want more and more from the government hence why so many people like Obama.

Again like you said my dad pays my bills so I'm not entitled to an opinion

And Tony it's a student run organization. Yea it maybe very well run and all but at the end of the day it's still just a student run organization. It even says it on their website.

[4dmin]

I'm not selectively reading anything. I have heard it from you and Tony that the guy graduated from Harvard and taught constitutional law etc. My honest of Obama is this. The guy is more than qualified to be oh IDK Attorney General or a Judge but not YET ready to be president. Like you said he has an awesome knowledge of the Constitution but yet to prove that he has the leadership necessary to do the job. To me Obama is just another excuse for this country to leave the line Personal Responsibility and Government Duty. People are doing less and less for themselves but yet want more and more from the government hence why so many people like Obama.

Dude you still are trying to make an argument w/o taking in all of the facts; your still negating the fact he has been in the senate since 04 on top of being a lawyer, teaching, writing a book, community organizer, havard law graduate at top of his class, etc You do know being a Havard Law graduate he could of worked for anyone he wanted - he could of be a top level attorny like Edwards sueing insurance companies for big $$ but he wanted to do more then just make $$.

Just b/c McCain was in the military doesn't make him able to run the US just b/c Palin has 5 kids doesn't make her able to run the US... see how that sounds. Thats how you sound - bias one sided w/o stating all of the facts behind your arguments.

Second, a Governor of the largest state in the entire country is no big deal????? Okie dokie. Have you stopped to think just what that means? Look up the pecking order in politics. Governors are a rung up from State Legislators, which is the only thing Obama ever really was.

largest state? umm 700,000 people is the largest state, lets clarify your argument LARGEST LAND MASS in the USA. Gwinnett County has more people in it then Alaska. You can include polar bears and penguiens and GA still has a higher population. Mayor of Lawrenceville dealt with a larger population then Palin did as a city council member of Wasilla which has 5500 people And she has only been in office 20 months so don't make it out like she is out changing the world. Though does make you wonder how she scored 27 million of Gov't funding as Mayor of a city 1/4 the size of Lawrenceville, GA.

Third, just WHERE do you think ANWR is? So, Obama wants to search for alternative sources of oil to cure our dependency on foreign oil, yet he's been outspoken about NOT drilling in ANWR. Guess WHO'S backyard ANWR is???? Yep, you guessed it....Palin.

he is out spoken about it b/c he knows the real results mean Bush and rest of his oil friends will be getting richer by allowing such and the end consumer won't see any advantages from this. this has already been discussed by many economist. check voting records Obama supported alternative energy bill when McCain didn't \/

07/05 - alternative energy (obama = yes mccain = no)
http://projects.washingtonpost.com/c...e/1/votes/213/

keep it up guys i'll be here all week.

[Total_Blender]

Drilling in ANWR just increases the supply of oil. But theres already enough oil on the market. If there were a scarcity of oil it would be hard to get. I can go down to the QT and buy all the gas I want. So I fail to see any shortage in supply that opening up ANWR to drilling would cure. Not to mention it would take years to build the facilities and install the equipment for the drilling. So the market would not be effected immediately as some of you claim. If anything the market would be hurting in the short term as Big Oil will have to pay for the start-up costs.

Oil is sold on the commodities market and it is the same price wherever or whoever it is sold to. Oil sourced from ANWR would be sold to the rest of the world in the same manner that most of the oil drilled in the US is already being sold. If you guys didn't know already, we EXPORT nearly all the oil we are drilling right now. So you can't say that ANWR is an answer to the need for reduced dependance on foreign oil when we aren't even using the domestic production we have.

Its not just about reducing the depandance on ofreign oil, its about reducing dependance on oil altogether. T. Boone Pickens (on of the most successful oil CEO's ever) is campaigning for wind power right now. You know the situation is pretty bad when even the oil men are turning against the oil companies.

[alpine_aw11]

Drilling in ANWR just increases the supply of oil. But theres already enough oil on the market. If there were a scarcity of oil it would be hard to get. I can go down to the QT and buy all the gas I want. So I fail to see any shortage in supply that opening up ANWR to drilling would cure. Not to mention it would take years to build the facilities and install the equipment for the drilling. So the market would not be effected immediately as some of you claim. If anything the market would be hurting in the short term as Big Oil will have to pay for the start-up costs.

Oil is sold on the commodities market and it is the same price wherever or whoever it is sold to. Oil sourced from ANWR would be sold to the rest of the world in the same manner that most of the oil drilled in the US is already being sold. If you guys didn't know already, we EXPORT nearly all the oil we are drilling right now. So you can't say that ANWR is an answer to the need for reduced dependance on foreign oil when we aren't even using the domestic production we have.

Its not just about reducing the depandance on ofreign oil, its about reducing dependance on oil altogether. T. Boone Pickens (on of the most successful oil CEO's ever) is campaigning for wind power right now. You know the situation is pretty bad when even the oil men are turning against the oil companies.

If we were to drill ANWR, it would most likely cause price drops from foreign suppliers. I haven't looked into it, but based on my basic knowledge of economics, the factor is all about supply and demand. If our foreign suppliers see that we are finally willing to increase oil production, they will lower their prices. Yes, we have always had the ability to drill for more, but it's never been put in place. If we were to actually take the initiative to supply ourselves and sell oil on the world market, the countries who supply us would in turn lower their prices to compensate for a new seller.