KEEP IT SIMPLE, Vteckidds Guide to NA

[all-mota]

260hp. now that is not bad on pump gas for all motor. will we see some e85 or race gas with a little more timing to see if you will be the 6th person with 300hp all motor?

i am running a turbo because i think anything less than 500hp is a little boring. heck, i was told that you need 600hp on the street to be cool but that is a whole different discussion.

btw. there is a lot of e85 station around here now. has anyone try it on an all motor build on ia. this can be a simple and relatively cheap mod. you can definitely turn the timing up with e85.

all motor cars aren't like turbo cars you can't pick up 50whp with race gas and timing it's only worth about 10whp if your lucky

[turbomirage]

"thats more than most people want to spend on there whole build but they want as much power as possible and want to cheap out every way they can thats why most of them just throw a turbo on their car and say it's fast there not commited to doing things right."

Bingo, this quote says it all. No one wants to spend that much on an N/A set-up on here because that is retarded. They want to get as much power as they can, so they put a turbo on their car. Cheap out? Why wouldn't you want to go fast for cheaper? And what is not right about putting a turbo on your car? By doing this you gain the same power and more for less money than if you stayed N/A. Nothing is wrong with N/A, but if you want to go fast with N/A, go V8. It's just how it is.

And another thing, this "I love the instant power of N/A" is cool and all, but it's a poor excuse for not wanting to go turbo. Get real, it is not more fun to drive a N/A 4 cylinder than a turbo 4 cylinder. That is why you see all these guys on here wanting to go turbo with their Honda motors. They are tired of being slow and want to get with the program, or they want to go fast for cheaper. That's it. If N/A is for you, then all power to you. But I think you are you a little naive if you think putting a turbo on your Honda motor is "cheaping out."

Vteckkid, this is a good thread for guys wanting to stay N/A and gain some power. You are an expert in it as well as all-mota. Slowdsm was just trying to help give some info, that's all. But I think that was a stupid comment all-mota posted about going turbo, that's why I posted.

[all-mota]

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[slowdsm]

what you don't realize is a 220whp plus na car will outrun turbo setups making 350whp because of a better power band and more traction. also 220whp plus cars normally run in the high 11 to low 12 second range at the track and i can't count how many times i've seen the turbo guys like you are talking about come no where close to those times.

a good example is my buddies crx it makes around the 230whp range maybe slightly more and runs 11.60's all day long other friend has a integra that makes well over 400whp and runs high tens and there is half a second between both of their times..

and for you to say that ones not as fun to drive as the other you obviously haven't drove both, and if you did the na car you drove couldn't have made anywhere near 200whp because in a light honda thats fun to drive. that is unless your idea of fun is spinning all the time

you need to pull out he first fast and furious movie and watch the part after dom smoke brian. listen to what he said about winning.