Non-Evo Lancer??

[1439/2000]

Are we talking regular Lancer or Ralliart? The Ralliart isn't a 2.0 it is a 2.4 with 160 ft/lb torque stock. I have seen boosted Ralliarts with around 220-240 ft/lb of torque that were decently quick. Sure, a Honda can have more horsepower dollar for dollar most likely but I bet it wouldn't have as much torque.

You're retarded. Ralliart or a regular run of the mill POS lancer with a turbo kit is still really slow.

[PropaGanda]

1439/2000: I love it when people have attitudes like yours. Basically you are more of a magazine driver than a real driver (meaning you go by numbers and not drivability). A car with 240 ft/lbs of torque and 235 hp could beat a car with 300 hp if it is set up properly. It also depends on how the car is being used. Most rally cars only have 300 hp because that is all they need. There are many different types of racing. Quickness is all relative my friend. The most important thing is a good usable power band. Look how many cars there are out there that are only dyno queens with impressive numbers.

[1439/2000]

1439/2000: I love it when people have attitudes like yours. Basically you are more of a magazine driver than a real driver (meaning you go by numbers and not drivability). A car with 240 ft/lbs of torque and 235 hp could beat a car with 300 hp if it is set up properly. It also depends on how the car is being used. Most rally cars only have 300 hp because that is all they need. There are many different types of racing. Quickness is all relative my friend. The most important thing is a good usable power band. Look how many cars there are out there that are only dyno queens with impressive numbers.

You aren't telling anything I dont already know, and you obviously know a ton about me. I go by numbers and not driveability. Yes, exactly.

A lancer is a daily driver.

[MongolPup]

1439/2000: I love it when people have attitudes like yours. Basically you are more of a magazine driver than a real driver (meaning you go by numbers and not drivability). A car with 240 ft/lbs of torque and 235 hp could beat a car with 300 hp if it is set up properly. It also depends on how the car is being used. Most rally cars only have 300 hp because that is all they need. There are many different types of racing. Quickness is all relative my friend. The most important thing is a good usable power band. Look how many cars there are out there that are only dyno queens with impressive numbers.

I can see how that could be true if the 300hp car is heavier, or its a road course. But a 235HP Lancer beating an 300HP evo?

One thing I hate: People who buy Lancers because they think since the Evo is fast, the Lancer must be.

Now granted if you spend enough money, anything can beat anything.

[PropaGanda]

Exactly, Mongolpup. The original statement made by "1439/2000" was a blanket statement that shows his apparent ignorance of the subject.

"You're retarded. Ralliart or a regular run of the mill POS lancer with a turbo kit is still really slow."

I am not saying you are ignorant in general, 1439/2000, but I am saying that your statement displays ignorance. When sport compact drag racing first started more than a few people could not figure out why anyone would want to race a Honda Civic hatchback. Now, there are Civic's with 800 hp and just as much torque thanks to a turbo. So, yes, a car CAN be fast with the help of a turbo. It doesn't mean that every Lancer RA out there with a turbo will be super fast but it is possible.

Now, you say it will be slow but, as I stated before, slow is relative. For instance, my car (Evo 8) is slow in comparison to a race-prepped C5-R. It depends on what you are comparing it to. 240 hp might be all someone wants in a car and that is fine. So, to them their car isn't slow. For me, I want only 380-400 hp at the wheels with my car and that really confuses some people. They say that since I have an Evo I should put 600hp to it and make it really fast. The fact is, 400hp is all I want and that is a great compromise between drivability, reliability, and performance.

Seriously, just from a respect point-of-view, you shouldn't go around saying peoples cars are generally slow without even seeing it nor riding in it. The same can easily be said of a 15 year old 4-door Galant unjustly.

[1439/2000]

Exactly, Mongolpup. The original statement made by "1439/2000" was a blanket statement that shows his apparent ignorance of the subject.

"You're retarded. Ralliart or a regular run of the mill POS lancer with a turbo kit is still really slow."

I am not saying you are ignorant in general, 1439/2000, but I am saying that your statement displays ignorance. When sport compact drag racing first started more than a few people could not figure out why anyone would want to race a Honda Civic hatchback. Now, there are Civic's with 800 hp and just as much torque thanks to a turbo. So, yes, a car CAN be fast with the help of a turbo. It doesn't mean that every Lancer RA out there with a turbo will be super fast but it is possible.

Now, you say it will be slow but, as I stated before, slow is relative. For instance, my car (Evo 8) is slow in comparison to a race-prepped C5-R. It depends on what you are comparing it to. 240 hp might be all someone wants in a car and that is fine. So, to them their car isn't slow. For me, I want only 380-400 hp at the wheels with my car and that really confuses some people. They say that since I have an Evo I should put 600hp to it and make it really fast. The fact is, 400hp is all I want and that is a great compromise between drivability, reliability, and performance.

Seriously, just from a respect point-of-view, you shouldn't go around saying peoples cars are generally slow without even seeing it nor riding in it. The same can easily be said of a 15 year old 4-door Galant unjustly.

Except I'm turbo, awd and run 12's. Mitsubishi made my car fast(for the day) stock. Mitsubishi produced the Lancer to drive to the grocery stare. While a turbo lancer with 240 to the wheels may run a high 13 on race gas. You can't polish a turd, you can make it quick, but its still garbage. How is that a difficult concept to grasp? It's not an ignorant blanket statement. The point is why spend money on that car if you want to go fast? Get something that can easily be made fast for cheaper if you want speed. If you want a daily buy that. If you want a mediocre ride that doesn't handle weel or look good, yes, turbo a lancer.

Now, you have 30 posts and you are saying some pretty intense things about me throwing out ignorant statements and talking about how much I know about cars when I have never met you, never talked to you, you read one post and you know everything about me and make the assumption I'm some jackass kid that doesn't know anything about balance on a car. Mind boggling.

And show me an 800 ft lbs of torque Civic, please.

[ECMgarrett]

And show me an 800 ft lbs of torque Civic, please.

+1
id also like to see a 800/800 civic

[PropaGanda]

1439/2000: 12's aren't terribly fast for an awd car. You should probably look into upgrading to something faster that looks a little better.




Actually, the 800 was in reference to the HP, I believe the car in question (the Full Race black civic) has something like 600-700 torque. Sorry to "inflate" the numbers because 600-700 probably isn't nearly as impressive to you. Keep in mind that this is still a street-driven car. Neither here nor there as that is just nit-picking.


"Now, you have 30 posts and you are saying some pretty intense things about me throwing out ignorant statements and talking about how much I know about cars when I have never met you, never talked to you, you read one post and you know everything about me and make the assumption I'm some jackass kid that doesn't know anything about balance on a car. Mind boggling."

It wouldn't matter if I had 1 or 1,000 posts. Your original statement was indeed ignorant. The same thing you stated about me not knowing you personally can be said about your statement related to the turbo RA. You can't rightly knock a car until you have seen it or ridden in it in person. I am glad you have learned something from this discussion!