(UPDATE ON PAGE 2:)CEL ON, IDLING PROBLEM, NOT REVING PAST 3k

[blacknightteg]

Alright, so i installed a header of mine a few days ago and i just today got it finally finished and installed. well unknowningly, the header burnt into my passenger side radiator fan. now the fan isnt work on bit, the driverside still does. so its not running hot or anything. Ill be installing slim light fans on it either tonight or tomorrow. The Man problem that i am having is that there is a air/fuel mixture problem going on somewhere or something. It takes it a minute to actually rev normally, when its able to drive after a minute it only rev's up to 3k. I have been told thats a clear indication that its the MAP sensor. the only thing with that is, that once the CEL comes on, it allows it to rev past 3k. now i was told that if it is the MAP sensor, it would not be able to rev past 3k at all. what the hell is going on?

[IntegraXTR]

run the code and report back, but for the most part it sounds like your o2 is out. Now your car is in safe mode.

[punkr6]

WoW, another " my cel is on but I haven't read the codes thread " Check the codes, fix the fan, and let us know what ya got...

[blacknightteg]

i dont know how to check teh codes. sorry, im new at this.

[punkr6]

i dont know how to check teh codes. sorry, im new at this.

is your car obd1 or 2 ?

[blacknightteg]

obd1 its a 94

[Tech5]

Go to the passenger side of the dash under it is a BLUE connector(by the glove box underside)


Its a 2 pin


Jump if with a paper clip

turn the key to run but dont start the car

count the blinks


1 slow blink = 10

4 fast blinks - 4

the code will be 14

same if its different numbers

[punkr6]

^^ beat me to it...

[Tech5]

If the CEL doesnt blink you didnt jump it right ! Wingle the paper clip around until you see it to start blinking

[blacknightteg]

will it throw one code or more?

[Tech5]

will it throw one code or more?

if it goes to a second code there a is a few second pause...If it keeps blinking the same code over and over that is the only code!

[blacknightteg]

ok

[Barefoot]

WoW, another " my cel is on but I haven't read the codes thread " Check the codes, fix the fan, and let us know what ya got...

just what i was thinking.

[blacknightteg]

just what i was thinking.

im going to check the codes and check the fuses tomorrow, im going to get the new fan installed first. i have to fabricate a bracket worth using on fans. the lil fucking plastic zip tie things they give you are shitty. im going to replace this, hope its that or fuses, and then if its not, replace the map sensor. im REALLY trying to avoide having to take this to a shop.

[Tech5]

I have integra OEM fans bro

[dallasb84]

me too... i got fans...

[blacknightteg]

yeah. well the header that i have will melt right through it, tahst the problem. so i had to get slim line fans to get the out of th way, the housing for the OEM fans are to big.

[Elbow]

Did you wire the O2 back up when installing the header?

[Sammich]

i dont know how far you are from an autozone and if u feel like driving out there...but they check codes for free. and if u need a o2 simulator hit me up i can locate you one

[blacknightteg]

i tried to do do autozone yesterday, and they said that they couldnt do it because my car weas not a 96 and up. they nor pep boys could read an obd1

[blacknightteg]

threw up 8 quick blinks, which if im doing ti correctly code 8, which is the TDC postion.

[AnthonyF]

i dont know how to check teh codes. sorry, im new at this.

Bro, there is NO WAY in hell you can use that line.

-Ant.

[punkr6]

how did you manage to fuck this car up so bad, by changing the header ?

[blacknightteg]

i have no fucking idea man. like it fried one of the fucking fans cause it melted the fans and blew the fuse for that fan. im wondering that if in the process of blowing that fews it blew something else as far as a censor goes in the engine. BUT it doesnt make sense cause like i said after the CEL goes on, it works fine. it doesn make shit worth sense.

[Tech5]

code 8 means you need a dizzyy

[blacknightteg]

thats the thing though. i JUST replaced it. how can it go bad that quick. cause of the fan fucking up? i keep looking on honda tech and teamintegra and what comes up is that its either the TDC sensor or the Crank sensor, can that be fixed by installing a new distributor?

[blacknightteg]

going to replace the fan tonight, figured out how to do it. so much simpler then i thought. after replacing the fan im installina new cooling fan fuse that was blown, and then reset the ECU. hopefully this fixes the problem or atleast gets it driveable enough to take to a shop.

[Tech5]

thats the thing though. i JUST replaced it. how can it go bad that quick. cause of the fan fucking up? i keep looking on honda tech and teamintegra and what comes up is that its either the TDC sensor or the Crank sensor, can that be fixed by installing a new distributor?

if its a code 8 you need a dizzy I am guessing you bought a used one off someone.. if you bought one from autozone or what ever those are not NEW they are rebuilt and parts that show are bad at that time are replaced .... So if that is the case take it back and get another one...The fan has NOOO issues on causing the CEL to come on.. Best of luck Joshua

[Sammich]

i tried to do do autozone yesterday, and they said that they couldnt do it because my car weas not a 96 and up. they nor pep boys could read an obd1

thats that gayness

[Tech5]

they can they just dont know how

[blacknightteg]

UPDATE: Fan is installed onto radiator, Car runs fine at start up. After about 10 of 15 minutes of idling allowing the temperature to rise in engine, engine dies. car is started back up and then is in limp mode. So, Fan did not solve problem. It appears to me that it has something to do with the Air/Fuel mixture as engine gets hotter. any suggestions/idea's?

[Barefoot]

UPDATE: Fan is installed onto radiator, Car runs fine at start up. After about 10 of 15 minutes of idling allowing the temperature to rise in engine, engine dies. car is started back up and then is in limp mode. So, Fan did not solve problem. It appears to me that it has something to do with the Air/Fuel mixture as engine gets hotter. any suggestions/idea's?

what are the codes now.

[Tech5]

the fans WILL not cause it to run bad why would you think that!!!!!


Nor will it fix any issues other than the fan problem

[JITB]

Did u melt the o2 sensor wire? Did u clamp any wires in between the block and the header?

[blacknightteg]

what are the codes now.

i have not been home all day, my dad installed the fan for me and checked how the car ran as soon as he installed it and those symptoms came up. i will check things like that when i get home. so till then i cant tell you. but the concern i have about that is that i wont be able to see the wrong code untill it shuts off on its own again. reason i say that is cause when i checked the code the first time it did code 8 which states TDC sensor. but i dont really know how it could be that as it has had no problem running in the past.

as far as the o2 sensor goes, i checked the o2 last night/night before last and i personally couldnt see anything wrong with the wiring as far as it being melted goes. i also personally cannot tell if anything is actually wrong with the sensor itself as i dont know what to look for.

[Tech5]

the code 8 will only cause 1 issue ok 2

1. cel
2. will not start on the first turn over most causes the car will take atleast 2

[blacknightteg]

my car turns over rather quickley, i mean i might have the key 2 MAYBE 3 seconds and hten it turned/turns over fine. now with what my dad is saying after installing the fan and starting it up and allowing it to idle. as the car warms up the rpms decrease, and then just die. the first time he started it up cold it allowed him to rev it past 5-6k rpm, the second or third time he did it it went into a symptom of the limp mode and would not allow him to rev past 3000 to 3500 rpm.

[Vteckidd]

yeah. well the header that i have will melt right through it, tahst the problem. so i had to get slim line fans to get the out of th way, the housing for the OEM fans are to big.

U should prob do research before you purchase a product.
It's well known everywhere and I told yo several times that a rmf style header needs to have the fan shroud trimmed or you have to run slim fans. It's posted in my thread all over the place and since you bought your header from batlground I'm pretty sure it's in their ad too

I also told you that you needed a reducer made to bolt it to your factory size exhaust.

You really can't do much to fuck your car up from installing a header. Even an o2 code won't effect the car not revving past 3000

it's pretty obvious you have no idea what you are doing, you prob should bite the bullet and take it to batlground, mainstream, zen and have them fix it before you do more damage. Just my .02

[Vteckidd]

Oh and your car is stock . There is no air fuel mixture issue. You could have fried the dizzy or ecu from melting the fan but thats highly unlikely

mainstream has installed more than 20 of my headers , I'm sure they can diagnose it rather quickly and have you on he road same day

[Tech5]

^^^^^ Yup