IMPORT SHOWDOWN REYNOLDS GA.

[h22 jones]

me....this past sunday and spriing of '08 are the only IS events I've missed since '06....we're not counting breaking drivetrain parts at the race are we?
So anyway, Matt we have to find someone to line you up with in M/S. You've been dominating that class for a while now.

if i was you i would have so many cool tables for my shop built out of all the drive train shit you have broken over the years that it wouldnt be funny lmao. i have seen this done and it looks cool as shit.

[h22 jones]

Its cool (i have been known) actually figured everybody knew lol.

[jcs]

lol i figured...

[.:Stirfry:.]

lol i figured...

i hope your not talkin about me bc i honestly really dont care. you know my number you know where i live. my room is in the back right corner of my house. ppl need to stop talking stuff to the extreme. and just go out and have fun
all i have to say is that anyone can make excuses, if something breaks fix it, if something goes wrong change it, if you make 400 and run 11s awesome or 600 and run 10s good job, or 200 and run 14s sweet. is all faster than what i got so i cant complain. but then if your Miller and make 1000hp on a 67 a2a on 24s and runs 8s then the shit talkin and questionable setup can set at play..... lol jk.

[DeeAOne]

i hope your not talkin about me bc i honestly really dont care. you know my number you know where i live. my room is in the back right corner of my house. ppl need to stop talking stuff to the extreme. and just go out and have fun
all i have to say is that anyone can make excuses, if something breaks fix it, if something goes wrong change it, if you make 400 and run 11s awesome or 600 and run 10s good job, or 200 and run 14s sweet. is all faster than what i got so i cant complain. but then if your Miller and make 1000hp on a 67 a2a on 24s and runs 8s then the shit talkin and questionable setup can set at play..... lol jk.

Am I missing something here Stir-stir?

[.:Stirfry:.]

Am I missing something here Stir-stir?

hell i know as much as you do. lol

[jcs]

i hope your not talkin about me bc i honestly really dont care. you know my number you know where i live. my room is in the back right corner of my house. ppl need to stop talking stuff to the extreme. and just go out and have fun
all i have to say is that anyone can make excuses, if something breaks fix it, if something goes wrong change it, if you make 400 and run 11s awesome or 600 and run 10s good job, or 200 and run 14s sweet. is all faster than what i got so i cant complain. but then if your Miller and make 1000hp on a 67 a2a on 24s and runs 8s then the shit talkin and questionable setup can set at play..... lol jk.

not at all my man..read the page before that was directed to h22 jones...

[h22 jones]

i hope your not talkin about me bc i honestly really dont care. you know my number you know where i live. my room is in the back right corner of my house. ppl need to stop talking stuff to the extreme. and just go out and have fun
all i have to say is that anyone can make excuses, if something breaks fix it, if something goes wrong change it, if you make 400 and run 11s awesome or 600 and run 10s good job, or 200 and run 14s sweet. is all faster than what i got so i cant complain. but then if your Miller and make 1000hp on a 67 a2a on 24s and runs 8s then the shit talkin and questionable setup can set at play..... lol jk.

He was talking to me lol. He figured i knew already is what he meant lol.

[Vteckidd]

I don't know why all the shit talking.

I said consistently in the other thread that chips car was running 11s 4-5 years ago. And it made less power then my old 240whp engine. He's just that good a driver, that good setting the car up. He is THE all motor guy to beat because he's consistent. There's virtually nobod running 11s all motor in ga no matter what the engine. Hp is almost pointless, low 12s high 11s takes chassis setup and gearing, perfect launches, etc. Going from 12.5 to 11s is a HARD THING TO DO.

As for h22 jones, his car is fast but it's just not setup to run as fast as discos car. He doesn't have the gearing, the lightest chassis, right tires etc. He has a lot of work to get there, but he can do it he's a very smart guy and knows what he's doing. But I think his car is a daily driver too.

I had an extremely fast 1800lb hf Crx with a 240whp motor. And I'm man enough to say street racing it was fast, track wise I'd prob run 13s. It's just extremely hard to get a car set up perfectly and anyone that has done this knows what I'm talking about.

As for stover, he's won how many events the last two years? He's had a lot of trouble with his car over the years and I've seen or witnessed most of it. But when to make 800whp shit breaks. He also doesn't have an unlimited budget. He doesn't have backup motors and trannys laying around. Again it's extremely hard to just go make xxx whp and run 9s. It doesn't happen. Peter ran 9s with 650 whp then made 1000whp and had 1000 more problems in his new chassis.

Bottom line is matt is prob the most humble guy I know. He loves the sport and is a great competitor. He has never "to my knowledge" run his car at full tilt. I believe he runs around 600-650 whp and tries to keep it consistent. There's a lot of bugs to work out in an 800whp car (as Peter learned).

There's not a ton of people running 9s in the southeast. Our track prep sucks.

Congrats matt, chip

Get em jones!

[B18c1Turboed]

Again it's extremely hard to just go make xxx whp and run 9s. It doesn't happen. Peter ran 9s with 650 whp then made 1000whp and had 1000 more problems in his new chassis.!

Just to clarify about Peters car. His car was 750hp when he ran 9s. He didnt even run 9s in GA he did it in Rockingham. Shit the night before we where at commerce testing the car and it wouldnt run faster then 10.2, next morning 1st pass in Rockingham 9.8 then a 9.7 Come back to GA, nothing but 10s. That was in his eg.

Also his new car never dynoed a 1000hp the most it did was 894hp. Thats impressive yes, but the real reason that car was sold was the frame on car was twisted. He Could never get a good alignment or balanced out. That car was in a really bad accident years ago. He had the Mph to run 9s, but i guess it was never meant to be.
Just saying!

[Vteckidd]

Just to clarify about Peters car. His car was 750hp when he ran 9s. He didnt even run 9s in GA he did it in Rockingham. Shit the night before we where at commerce testing the car and it wouldnt run faster then 10.2, next morning 1st pass in Rockingham 9.8 then a 9.7 Come back to GA, nothing but 10s. That was in his eg.

Also his new car never dynoed a 1000hp the most it did was 894hp. Thats impressive yes, but the real reason that car was sold was the frame on car was twisted. He Could never get a good alignment or balanced out. That car was in a really bad accident years ago. He had the Mph to run 9s, but i guess it was never meant to be.
Just saying!

Ahh thanks for clarifying I figured you would :p

But would you agree the second car was "supposed" to be a much faster car and he had way crazier setup and it just never made it.

My point being sometime it takes more than Hp to run a time

[B18c1Turboed]

Ahh thanks for clarifying I figured you would :p

But would you agree the second car was "supposed" to be a much faster car and he had way crazier setup and it just never made it.

My point being sometime it takes more than Hp to run a time

Faster car yes, we where expecting more out of it, Crazy set up? not so much! Nothing really crazy about it exept for air to water intercooler oh and the front mount turbo. That turbo kit still lives on, we built Julios Crx and it has perters old turbo kit. We actually dynoing that car next Friday!!!

[Vteckidd]

Faster car yes, we where expecting more out of it, Crazy set up? not so much! Nothing really crazy about it exept for air to water intercooler oh and the front mount turbo. That turbo kit still lives on, we built Julios Crx and it has perters old turbo kit. We actually dynoing that car next Friday!!!

I remember the first time those pics got posted, everyone at mainstream was like "..................oh shit" lol

Good to hear man! Hope it makes good numbers!

[Vteckidd]

Also times are times. If we are talking about winning events, times play a part but not the whole picture. You can run a 9 in round 1 but if you can't back it up or keep the car together who cares. So you can come on the Internet and say "Ooooo I ran a faster time" but matt doesn't street race. He WINS EVENTS. Or comes pretty close to doing it.

I mean all I heard was all this talk about this midnight auto hatch. And did it even make a pass? I heard it broke. Sucks for them but a "xx second" car means shit if it doesn't make it down the track. Hope they get it together

Show up an beat him, or shut up.

I remember monys car running low 10s wit like 500-550whp. Crazy times happen. I've seen a ton of cars run super fast with way less power than others so what ? There's also magic tracks. Magic passes,etc

Why is commerce so slow? Reynolds and silver dollar so fast?

I will also say this, I think MAINSTREAMS NEW DYNO reads high. Their new roller I think reads 5-10% higher.

I mean my stock itr made 200whp
A host of h22s making like 240-250whp when almost exact same setups never came close to it
A stock block k20a making 235-240whp when NO OTHER K SERIES CAME WITHIN 220 with MORE MODS.

But that is my opinion. Woul be interesting to see someone dyno front vs back roller

[h22 jones]

Also times are times. If we are talking about winning events, times play a part but not the whole picture. You can run a 9 in round 1 but if you can't back it up or keep the car together who cares. So you can come on the Internet and say "Ooooo I ran a faster time" but matt doesn't street race. He WINS EVENTS. Or comes pretty close to doing it.

I mean all I heard was all this talk about this midnight auto hatch. And did it even make a pass? I heard it broke. Sucks for them but a "xx second" car means shit if it doesn't make it down the track. Hope they get it together

Show up an beat him, or shut up.

I remember monys car running low 10s wit like 500-550whp. Crazy times happen. I've seen a ton of cars run super fast with way less power than others so what ? There's also magic tracks. Magic passes,etc

Why is commerce so slow? Reynolds and silver dollar so fast?

I will also say this, I think MAINSTREAMS NEW DYNO reads high. Their new roller I think reads 5-10% higher.

I mean my stock itr made 200whp
A host of h22s making like 240-250whp when almost exact same setups never came close to it
A stock block k20a making 235-240whp when NO OTHER K SERIES CAME WITHIN 220 with MORE MODS.

But that is my opinion. Woul be interesting to see someone dyno front vs back roller

The first set up i built made 226 and was the same motor as jasons . His dynoed 227 but who knows.

[Vteckidd]

The first set up i built made 226 and was the same motor as jasons . His dynoed 227 but who knows.

Im not saying yours ISNT a 250whp motor at all, im just saying there have been some inconsistent numbers coming out of there, but maybe parts are just that much better nowadays.

I remember if you made 190 you were THE MAN, and my Stock ITR motor with a header made 199. Rediculous. Conversely i cant tell you at least 20 ITR motors that dynoed on mainstreams OLD roller that never made 190 with more mods or similar mods, tuned by the same person.

Jasons was a car that always susprised me too , his was a weird motor, i never would have guess it made that much, and i never would have guessed a mild h23 vtec would make 250. But then again i dont know everything either :P

I was more or less just thinking out loud

[justnprsh07]

Im not saying yours ISNT a 250whp motor at all, im just saying there have been some inconsistent numbers coming out of there, but maybe parts are just that much better nowadays.

I remember if you made 190 you were THE MAN, and my Stock ITR motor with a header made 199. Rediculous. Conversely i cant tell you at least 20 ITR motors that dynoed on mainstreams OLD roller that never made 190 with more mods or similar mods, tuned by the same person.

Jasons was a car that always susprised me too , his was a weird motor, i never would have guess it made that much, and i never would have guessed a mild h23 vtec would make 250. But then again i dont know everything either :P

I was more or less just thinking out loud

O so this is how I make 850plus whp I can just putt my car on mainstreams dyno lol... guy hp is only a number only number that matters is the one that pops up at the end of the track... some ppl make over 800 and run tens and some only make 500 and run the same tens. But all that really matters is who's in front when you cross the line

[h22 jones]

O so this is how I make 850plus whp I can just putt my car on mainstreams dyno lol... guy hp is only a number only number that matters is the one that pops up at the end of the track... some ppl make over 800 and run tens and some only make 500 and run the same tens. But all that really matters is who's in front when you cross the line

justin i promise you mike (kidd racing )knows what hp is lol. We have been friends for along time and were just having a discussion he is not talking shit lol. Man is everybody in this thread touchy and ready to snap lmao.

back in the day jasons motor would have been nasty if would have let me tear it down and go through it to start with instead of trusting ole dude from nc lol. it didnt last no time. Point is if you pull the oil pan off a brand new never been run motor and its full of dirt odds are its not going to last that long lol. i tried to tell him.

[h22 jones]

We have talked about putting the extra h2b kit i had and the spare type r trany in the blue hatch and stepping up to 24 inch slicks but honestly its to the point were if we do any more to it there would be no need to finish the other build and it wouldnt be practical to dailey it simple as that . So just to clear it up its not that i cant its that i choose not to in the si hatch but it will be done i assure you and we might run both all motor classes who knows.

[Vteckidd]

We have talked about putting the extra h2b kit i had and the spare type r trany in the blue hatch and stepping up to 24 inch slicks but honestly its to the point were if we do any more to it there would be no need to finish the other build and it wouldnt be practical to dailey it simple as that . So just to clear it up its not that i cant its that i choose not to in the si hatch but it will be done i assure you and we might run both all motor classes who knows.

I mean no disrespect I'm just saying you can't compare a 1800-1900lb chassi with a daily driven 2500 pound chassis. It's like chunky and I. My 90 Crx with 200whp was dead even with his 250whp k series ......because it was in an EP3!

[h22 jones]

i know mike all you did was confirm what ive been . That was post wasnt directed to you . It was for the guy talking shit that i wasnt making 252hp because i didnt run certain times. Everybody knows the hold back of h22s is there tourqe front wheel drives have a hard time getting traction and there tranys gearing sucks. We never thought we would make this kind of power with this motor since it was built out of a bunch of left over parts. i had this motor in a accord and it wasnt doing it any justice i was breaking everything so i swapped motors and put the stock f20b in the accord and put the built motor in my dads hatch to play with untill we get the next build done . Im used to running 12.3 every pass and running 1.7 sixty foot times but with the 20 more foot pounds of tourqe or the shitty track prep the car wouldnt hook simple as that. We were pushing the 22 inch slicks before so the extra tourqe has just pushed it to the limits .

[FasTech]

Oh the humor in this thread. lol

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you or anyone else trys to run me off the road you'll be a dead motherfucker!

[1civic]

you or anyone else trys to run me off the road you'll be a dead motherfucker!

LMAO!!.. not much you can do!! I remember one time on my 750 I had a guy throw a 2 liter at me, I almost crash and thought damn I need a gun this mofo is going to kill me.. Your helpless on a bike against a car or objects, shit sucks!! Just Sayin

[B18c1Turboed]

you or anyone else trys to run me off the road you'll be a dead motherfucker!

Not if i get you first...hahahahaha

[h22 jones]

What about the crx with the stock h22 running high elevens were is he at these days lol.

[Disco Monkey]

What about the crx with the stock h22 running high elevens were is he at these days lol.

if you mean hatchback and not a crx, he was watching at the race. I think he just got back from the desert.

[1civic]

if you mean hatchback and not a crx, he was watching at the race. I think he just got back from the desert.

Tell him to get ready, we are coming hard next round!! LOL

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i pretty much dont ride on the street

[h22 jones]

Its not a sore subject .Im realy happy with the way the car does like it has been stated this car was never built to race but for my dad to drive every day and get good gas mileage. I didnt ask for you to come on here acting like a prick man .If you would have come on here acting like your are now id been glad to answer any question you got. Could the car run a 12.3-12.4 saturday yes it could. Would that have been enough to win nope there were way faster cars out there . I guess you are one of the few people that dont know me and dont know what im doing so if you get a chance go in the all motor section and you can see the motor i just built that is basicaly a clone of mine but mine will make more power. My trany which is a b16 trany with a gsr fourth and ls fifth gear, lsd. 4.9 final drive is posted up in there as well. As of why we dont do that to this car because it was built out of my left over shit for my dad to be able to play with on the street it is not the car we plan to race and the more we do to it the less time we have getting the other car done. Im probably going to start my build thread next week as soon as my block comes back from the machine shop (getting sized for pistons) and you can see what im up to . I dont hide anything because i try to help everybody else go fast and i want a big all motor field . Thats why i showed my ass saturday (even though i new i couldnt win) because im tired of the all motor class being a joke when there is so much potetial out there . If the younger generation dont see it you cant make them beleive it can be done especialy all motor. I will have a tone of power maybe to much for the 4.9 final but ihave another trany built as well. Im not trying to run tens but a mid 11 second all motor car would make me happy . If tens happen then it happens but when you get this far into it there is alot more to do then make power. I got the making power thing down i assure you .I can build a 270-300hp h series all day and do it on a very small budget which i what i try to share with others . I love the sport of racing not winning of course wionning feels good but its not everything . I have won races and i had a better time saturday then i ever have and i lost lol. Also my son said we won daddy so it realy dont matter since he is four lmao.

[h22 jones]

Naw this guy wast around here out west mike knows who im talking about . I think your talking about the crx with single turbo ? That we did the head on. I know he just got back from the desert. Im talking about the crx from out west a couple years go.

[91s13]

Did anyone video tape any of the test and tune races on sunday

[justnprsh07]

didnt read seans post on this page ^^^ lol

[nycclaye]

that curve looks uuuuuuugly lmao.. but great numbers bro!

[SPOOLIN]

IMPORT SHOWDOWN STAFF. PLEASE UPDATE SITE WITH WINNERS LIST SO THAT WE CAN GET CONTINGENCY PAY FROM SPONSORS. THANKS!!

[gastroker]

IMPORT SHOWDOWN STAFF. PLEASE UPDATE SITE WITH WINNERS LIST SO THAT WE CAN GET CONTINGENCY PAY FROM SPONSORS. THANKS!!

I'm trying!!! My webmaster is M.I.A!

[SPOOLIN]

My shit in the toilet looks better than that.

But no one cares about it either.

[Vteckidd]

Stretched bikes are gay

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Stretched bikes are gay

To each his own the bike was set up for one thing to win money and 60ft like a slider clutch bike and that its done. Im actually putting it back to stock selling it and getting a 2011 zx10r then my new goal is 8's on a short wheel base

[Formally...]

I like how everyone thinks that since they run 10.8s and 10.9's that they are on the same level as people (Matt) that run consistant 10.1 and 10.2's or even Josh running 10.3 and 10.4s. I think most people think hell it's easy to shave off 6 to 7 tenths. Well it is when you are running 13's. A little seat time, good alignment, tire pressure change, etc and you can pick up half a sec. It's a little harder when you start making more power and get to lower times. Hell I know some 10.5 outlaw guys that will spend hours at the track to just pick up 1 or 2 tenths.

And like Vteckidd said earlier, Matt has never used all the power he has. Hell he hasn't even dynoed the car over 650whp in over a year (was having some ignition issues). The old numbers were just to say he can make that. Hell, Josh hasn't even used all he has.

Take Joey's car for example, he ran 11.1's with 400whp but he was using all 400 all track. Well guess what, Matt's and Josh's cars easily makes over 650whp but do you think they can use that the entire track. So the only time they use that is on the top end. Well guess what, that is how you go from 11.1 to 10.1.

And Blake will you please bring your Full interior, full weight, full whatever car to the track so Jody can take his Full interior, Full weight, power windows, sub and amp Civic and have a little fun "street" car shootout.