Originally Posted by Bug-Rex
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"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
And if you think time-attack is "auto-crossing" in a parking lot then you're a dork. Tell TAGE EVANSON that he is "just" autocrossing as he spanks up on 400hp EVOS in Super Lap. Noobs I swear.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Did you mean to say Auto crossing on a race circuit? Cause most auto cross events...are at parking lots.
yep just like tha NASA and SCCA events you were talking about.......
the crx is not "hard" its "semi-Hard" okay jeethus chriths
yep just like tha NASA and SCCA events you were talking about.......
the crx is not "hard" its "semi-Hard" okay jeethus chriths
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What are you trying to say here? Is the smiley towards the SCCA/NASA or autocrossing/time attck?
Last edited by EJ25RUN; 11-19-2009 at 01:05 PM.
The CRX is not hard or aggressive
But I know who is
Did you not notice the pics were from Sebring? A racetrack
So the "track" crxs in real life, without wings your referencing to are autocross cars??? Your confusing me. Did you read the link, those pictures are from it going out at Sebring, not a parking lot. Happen to see where he stated that he was building it for "time attack"??I really don't care about the vocab you use. I won't ever be using it so don't worry.
Anyways, there are plenty of SCCA/NASA classes where wings wouldn't be allowed.
The J's and Hasports car is run in time attack events which have very few regs so its a run what you brought show.
Lets also put emphasis on what i've actually seen in real life and they look like this. I'm not saying there aren't other versions but the majority look like so.
BTW when did building a "Track" car have to conform to any rule/regulations? A "Race" car, yeah sure. See what I did there?
My first trip to Sebring will be the 2010 12 Hour so I've never seen the paddock before.Did you not notice the pics were from Sebring? A racetrack
I think people are misunderstanding what i wrote in the last part for something else.
I clearly wrote this, "I'm not saying there aren't other versions but the majority look like so."
With that, I was clearly stating that there are a wide variety of other race courses (such as Sebring/RA) that CRXs, (winged or otherwise) are being built for. In fact, there are plenty of RWD CRXs as well.
I was just saying that for what i have seen, the majority of CRXs at Autocross events (not time attack events) are restricted to not using wings because of the class the fall under. This is a statement relating to what i have actually seen in person. There are obviously ones (including autocross) that use some sort of wing/spoiler if the class so allows.
To add, you people keep saying that i think Autocross and Time attack are the same thing but..... Iin a way, they are.
In a time attack, the cones are replaced with chicanes, hairpins, and bends. But it's still a race against the clock.
Otherwise, why wouldn't a WRC tarmac stage be considered a time attack? IT WOULD!
Consider this, a rally event is run around a route closed to other traffic on what can be public roads. The event has a number of cars being timed over the same distance with the same obstacles in the form of corners. It is the same exact thing.
The argument of a rally not counting because it isn't held on a race track won't work either because on many occasions, rallies have incorporated proper road courses as one of the special stages. Silverstone and Brands Hatch are examples.
You people are looking at the words too deeply and associating them with trends. Time Attack is a time attack. Not what Super Street wants it to be.
On most occasions actually. Especially regs related to safety. Most people build a car for a certain class of racing for the competition. This goes across the board for road coarse or drag strips. No one wants to build a car and only be allowed to participate in a test and tune. For the matter of the SCCA, there is usually a class for anything but you must make sure your class will fit in before you show up.
No, I am almost positive that the car does not reach speeds where a wing has any advantage.why? you dont need downforce on the rear wheels just because its a front wheel drive car?
Lol. Just because "street/track" cars have a wing does not mean they automatically need one. I bet those cars would post almost exact same lap times if they removed them...Hmmm
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Good job defending big ass wings though...
You sir, are a IdiotLol. Just because "street/track" cars have a wing does not mean they automatically need one. I bet those cars would post almost exact same lap times if they removed them...
Good job defending big ass wings though...
Oh my gosh. Wow. Whats Aerodynamics?You sir, are a Idiot
Before you "school" me in aerodynamics, try designing them for a Formula 500 car, then come insult me.
No need to school you, you obviously know everything there is to know about aerodynamics
Before people start getting all pissed, I am just saying that if you read the specs on this particular CRX, (depending on the weight of the car) it will not reach the speeds or make the power in which a wing is needed to produce down-force that can be taken advantage from.
Never said that at all. Aero is such a deep subject, it would take years to actually learn it all.No need to school you, you obviously know everything there is to know about aerodynamics
Your sarcasm is idiotic.
Well I'd like for you to tell Tage Evanson, the owner of that white EG, to remove his wing off b/c it isn't doing anything. That would be idiotic. I assume that it plays a significant role in turning lower lap times considering what that car has done. I'm sure people wouldn't put them on track cars if they didn't help(well must people
Exactly my point. I don't know who Tage Evasion is, but I assume his car actually needs his wing. The CRX that the thread was made for I would argue does not need one.Well I'd like for you to tell Tage Evanson, the owner of that white EG, to remove his wing off b/c it isn't doing anything. That would be idiotic. I assume that it plays a significant role in turning lower lap times considering what that car has done. I'm sure people wouldn't put them on track cars if they didn't help(well must people
So what was the point of quoting simontibbett then? It seem like you were trying to get at something.
I just love when people come in threads and try to throw their "weight" around because of their "personal experiences". All we know you could a wikipedia scholar, and could just be making up stuff to defend you point.
Anyways, I done battling with people in this thread! Have fun arguing among yourselves.
Its what makes forums fun to read.
From my entire post, that's the only thing you quote?
It seems like you are actually the one to get at something while i'm just here for the tech talk.
Ie not "hardest."
I love how people try to flip the script
Slow_hatch actually pretty much summed up everything for me. So no point on beating a dead horse.
You took the time to quoted someone's post like you're trying to cosign their "attempt" to be funny. Then when I pointed you out on it, you "don't care". Just seems like kinda of hypocritical.
Anyways I'm done with it. Have fun with your response.
Anyways, I done battling with people in this thread! Have fun arguing among yourselves.
I posted a picture of gutted CRX with a wing (that actually get put on a track) and I get so much negativity. Someone post a Hondas with 15x10in rims 0 offset, -10 camber, slammed with a built turbocharger GSR (oxymoron isn't it) and it get 10 pages of props. Ironic isn't it
What can I say? I was that kid, after winning a fight I continued to throw rocks at you as you ran home.
I seem to have missed where you "won"...?
^No, you seemed to have missed where the battle even began, because it never did.
Gotcha.
Yes. I flip the script "hard." (I think)I love how people try to flip the script
Slow_hatch actually pretty much summed up everything for me. So no point on beating a dead horse.
You took the time to quoted someone's post like you're trying to cosign their "attempt" to be funny. Then when I pointed you out on it, you "don't care". Just seems like kinda of hypocritical.
Anyways I'm done with it. Have fun with your response.
Anyways, me and slow hatch decided to discuss this through pms since neither he nor i understood each other and felt a back and forth on here would waste space. He and I are on the same page now.
Is the hypcritical part about Simon's post? BabyJ's post? Your post or someone else's? Please clarify as i have quoted quite a few people.
This thread has too many conversations going on.
Hi, what's your favorite food?
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
^^ I like "wings". What's yours?
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Why is that? Bc he has a kool name? Or is it b/c you have the wind-tunnel/track data for his car (or one similar) that allows you to "assume" this even though you don't know who he is??
Why would you argue this, yet support Tage's setup? What speeds need to be attained for a 2g CRX to benefit from such a wing??
Last edited by BABY J; 11-20-2009 at 02:39 AM.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
looks mean as hell but im not feeling the headlights! but to each his own
Philly Cheese-steak owns your wings.
I DO NOT know who he is and was taking Slow Hatch's word that "Tage Evasion" actually benefits from a wing.
I DO have access to a wind tunnel as a matter of fact and have used it MANY times. Thanks for asking.
Oh my god. READ PLEASE! How do you know THIS CRX pulls 2g's?????????
Based on what the link about the car says, there is absolutely not a single piece of evidence that leads anyone to believe that THIS CRX pulls 2g's.
Edit: Wait, what the hell, What even leads you to believe that ANY CRX can pull 2g's??I think that is what you meant when you said "2g." Correct me if I misread.
Last edited by Bug-Rex; 11-20-2009 at 11:38 AM.
What wind tunnel do you have access to? I have access to firearms but that doesn't mean I am an expert on munitions.I DO NOT know who he is and was taking Slow Hatch's word that "Tage Evasion" actually benefits from a wing.
I DO have access to a wind tunnel as a matter of fact and have used it MANY times. Thanks for asking.
Oh my god. READ PLEASE! How do you know THIS CRX pulls 2g's?????????
Based on what the link about the car says, there is absolutely not a single piece of evidence that leads anyone to believe that THIS CRX pulls 2g's.
Edit: Wait, what the hell, What even leads you to believe that ANY CRX can pull 2g's??
2g mean 2nd generation sir... the OP posted a 2nd gen CRX.
There is an old saying my granddad used to say... "when you wake up and realize that you're in a hole - stop digging."
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
No idea what kind of WT it is, just put a few cars in there for analysis. I am no expert either, but do get paid to build purpose built Formula 500 cars. Just saying I think I have a grasp on aero better than most. I do not know everything. Not trying to argue either.
I misread what you meant by 2g.
To clear things up, I think, IMO, the crx does not need a wing like that. I am not saying wings are pointless on all cars, IMO I think a wing on this crx is.
I didn't ask what KIND of wind-tunnel. I asked which wind-tunnel do you have access to. Where is it located??
Since you have a grasp on vehicle aerodynamics, you should be able to tell me why in your opinion that a wing on this particular CRX is pointless.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
Im sorry EJ, but the CRX is sick. Its a track car (could also be his time attack car) and the wing is there for one reason...downforce. If you know how setups work, wings on FWD cars is great.
Also for those who say autocross cars are nothing...your extremely wrong. Miata mike can chime in on this.
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