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    I. Thou shalt worship only reason
    II. Thou shalt abstain from invoking deities in the affairs of man
    III. Thou shalt disdain all ritual
    IV. Thou shalt abhor priestliness
    V. Thou shalt loathe superstition
    VI. Thou shalt reject all forms of spiritualism and supernaturalism
    VII. Thou shalt regard skepticism as a virtue
    VIII. Thou shalt reject racism
    IX. Thou shalt reject all claims to a moral authority greater than man
    X. Thou shalt, in word and action, strive to improve the human condition


    I'm willing to bet Christians wouldn't want my Ten Commandments displayed in public.

    The laws of this land are not governed by YOUR religion or deity. They are governed by, " We the People."
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    Quote Originally Posted by pharm_teg
    X. Thou shalt, in word and action, strive to improve the human condition
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    Quote Originally Posted by pharm_teg
    I. Thou shalt worship only reason
    II. Thou shalt abstain from invoking deities in the affairs of man
    III. Thou shalt disdain all ritual
    IV. Thou shalt abhor priestliness
    V. Thou shalt loathe superstition
    VI. Thou shalt reject all forms of spiritualism and supernaturalism
    VII. Thou shalt regard skepticism as a virtue
    VIII. Thou shalt reject racism
    IX. Thou shalt reject all claims to a moral authority greater than man
    X. Thou shalt, in word and action, strive to improve the human condition


    I'm willing to bet Christians wouldn't want my Ten Commandments displayed in public.

    The laws of this land are not governed by YOUR religion or deity. They are governed by, " We the People."
    You lose that bet. I could give two shits what you want displayed in public. Hey I have to look at the countless memorials all around the cities and it does not offend me. Why would having the 10 commandments displayed offend you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300
    You lose that bet. I could give two shits what you want displayed in public. Hey I have to look at the countless memorials all around the cities and it does not offend me. Why would having the 10 commandments displayed offend you?

    I'll rephrase I my previous comment. I'm willing to bet Christians with political clout wouldn't want my Ten Commandments posted. Why would NOT posting the Ten Commandments offend Christians? It apparently horrified our state legislature enough to take action (SOURCE). Why are Christians wasting tax dollars to bring this in front of the Supreme Court year after year? Where do you think the funding comes from to post this Christian hypocrisy? You can have it in your home, in your car, or tattooed all over your back. BUT don't expect my tax dollars to fund your religious rhetoric.

    The only signs I want to see posted in a courthouse are the directions for the bathroom and courtroom numbers.

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    I just do not get it. Does looking at churches while driving offend you too? Would you rather they demolish all of them to make you happy?

    If you do not want to look at them in the courthouse, then don't go. Or close your eyes. It is not your house where you can dictate what they put up on their walls. Would you prefer a fuscia colored room and laminates too instead of marble?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300
    I just do not get it. Does looking at churches while driving offend you too? Would you rather they demolish all of them to make you happy?

    If you do not want to look at them in the courthouse, then don't go. Or close your eyes. It is not your house where you can dictate what they put up on their walls. Would you prefer a fuscia colored room and laminates too instead of marble?
    What do you not get? Who owns the courthouse? Who should dictate what's on display? It obviously is not you or me. Last time I checked our taxes contributed to the upkeep of that public building. Again, you fail to grasp that our tax dollars are better spent elsewhere.

    Would you be offended if a hairy naked 400 pound man paraded around you and your family? I'm pretty sure you would be. BUT all you have to do is look away. Just close your eyes. Would you call the police to have him arrested? Why should he have to put his clothes back on to make YOU happy?


    There really is no compromise in this situation. Just b/c the display doesn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother 25 other Americans. Should their concerns be ignored? Should they have to endure staring at their version of the "400 pound man?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pharm_teg

    There really is no compromise in this situation. Just b/c the display doesn't bother you doesn't mean it won't bother 25 other Americans. Should their concerns be ignored? Should they have to endure staring at their version of the "400 pound man?"
    There is no compromise because the left is the loud squeaky wheel.

    Since when do words on a piece paper, plaque, or better yet ROCK jump up and DO anything to anyone?

    Again, if you are offended by words out in a parking lot, then A: you have too much time on your hands, B: you have too much time on your hands, or C: have nothing better to bitch about.

    A 400 lb man can walk and follow you and get in your way and MAKE himself a nuisance. A bunch of words on a plaque or a rock CAN'T. There's a difference IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
    There is no compromise because the left is the loud squeaky wheel.

    Since when do words on a piece paper, plaque, or better yet ROCK jump up and DO anything to anyone?

    Again, if you are offended by words out in a parking lot, then A: you have too much time on your hands, B: you have too much time on your hands, or C: have nothing better to bitch about.

    A 400 lb man can walk and follow you and get in your way and MAKE himself a nuisance. A bunch of words on a plaque or a rock CAN'T. There's a difference IMO.


    Everything you just said is indicative of your own personal beliefs. Why should it negate my views? In essence you are saying that people who don't want the commandments publicly displayed should just grin and bear it? It's unfair for us to dictate what should or should not bother someone else. We just have to respect that it does. Unfortunately, you were right about being more tolerant. But I suspect that's not the American way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pharm_teg
    I'll rephrase I my previous comment. I'm willing to bet Christians with political clout wouldn't want my Ten Commandments posted.
    It's all good in theory, but where would it stop?

    Too often people will bring up a possible solution, that is a never ending pit.

    IF the gov't allowed anyone's version of the "ten commandments", what would stop anyone from posting something that purposely offends someone else (as you well know and often use yourself)?

    The word "God" is in the Constitution of the U.S. and in just about EVERY state's Constitution for the last 200 yrs, yet people are just now getting "offended" by it??? What? People were deaf and mute before? Maybe stupid? Or maybe is it that we have far more whiners and PC sissies today?

    Why would NOT posting the Ten Commandments offend Christians?
    It doesn't bother me one bit to take them out or leave them in. What bothers me is how the least majority and loudest squeaky wheel is the ONLY one that gets the grease. There are far more important things to focus attention and resources onto than this petty thing.


    Why are Christians wasting tax dollars to bring this in front of the Supreme Court year after year?
    It's called due process and every single citizen is entitled to it by the Constitution. But I do agree with you that it is a terrible waste of resources.

    I suppose if the amount of time wasted by the people that want it taken OUT is OK though????? They as a matter of fact where the FIRST to bring legal action into the mix when they were sooooo "offended" by a rock.....


    Where do you think the funding comes from to post this Christian hypocrisy? You can have it in your home, in your car, or tattooed all over your back. BUT don't expect my tax dollars to fund your religious rhetoric.

    Again, the gov't wastes tax dollars in the millions every single day. How much does a plaque cost? $10 ONE time? So money should not be the issue. Do the research and see how much of "your" tax dollars are not being embezzled by politicians every day? How much of "your" tax dollars is going towards the funding of fun trips and unnecessary luxuries afforded politicians in the name of serving you? Trust me there are infinitely far greater tax dollar waste in every level of gov't that a mere plaque in the courthouse lobby is not even a drop in the preverbial bucket.


    The only signs I want to see posted in a courthouse are the directions for the bathroom and courtroom numbers.
    What about law books? What about registries? What about public notices?

    My point is that there are far more inflamatory, defaming, and even more mentions of religion in other documents all over any courthouse. Again, WHERE will it end? People have to learn to be a little more tolerant to those things they don't agree with because no matter how much you jump up and down about it, you can only change ONE person's mind about anything.....your own.

    Just because you take down a document I agree with doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to forget about or disagree with it.....it's not out sight/out of mind for something like that. Even extremist Christians aren't right about this issue IMO.

    It wasn't a big deal until the athiests made a big deal about it. Why is it such a bid deal now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jaimecbr900
    It's all good in theory, but where would it stop?

    Too often people will bring up a possible solution, that is a never ending pit.

    IF the gov't allowed anyone's version of the "ten commandments", what would stop anyone from posting something that purposely offends someone else (as you well know and often use yourself)?

    The word "God" is in the Constitution of the U.S. and in just about EVERY state's Constitution for the last 200 yrs, yet people are just now getting "offended" by it??? What? People were deaf and mute before? Maybe stupid? Or maybe is it that we have far more whiners and PC sissies today?



    It doesn't bother me one bit to take them out or leave them in. What bothers me is how the least majority and loudest squeaky wheel is the ONLY one that gets the grease. There are far more important things to focus attention and resources onto than this petty thing.




    It's called due process and every single citizen is entitled to it by the Constitution. But I do agree with you that it is a terrible waste of resources.

    I suppose if the amount of time wasted by the people that want it taken OUT is OK though????? They as a matter of fact where the FIRST to bring legal action into the mix when they were sooooo "offended" by a rock.....





    Again, the gov't wastes tax dollars in the millions every single day. How much does a plaque cost? $10 ONE time? So money should not be the issue. Do the research and see how much of "your" tax dollars are not being embezzled by politicians every day? How much of "your" tax dollars is going towards the funding of fun trips and unnecessary luxuries afforded politicians in the name of serving you? Trust me there are infinitely far greater tax dollar waste in every level of gov't that a mere plaque in the courthouse lobby is not even a drop in the preverbial bucket.




    What about law books? What about registries? What about public notices?

    My point is that there are far more inflamatory, defaming, and even more mentions of religion in other documents all over any courthouse. Again, WHERE will it end? People have to learn to be a little more tolerant to those things they don't agree with because no matter how much you jump up and down about it, you can only change ONE person's mind about anything.....your own.

    Just because you take down a document I agree with doesn't mean I'm suddenly going to forget about or disagree with it.....it's not out sight/out of mind for something like that. Even extremist Christians aren't right about this issue IMO.

    It wasn't a big deal until the athiests made a big deal about it. Why is it such a bid deal now?



    The First Amendment states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Everything in the Constitution is up for interpretation...just like the Bible. I won't argue that b/c I'd be here all day.

    We all pick and choose are battles with how the government abuses its powers. I'm sure there are things that get under your skin. But should it be swept under the rug? Your voice should just as loud as the voice of 200,000 Americans. If you wanted to take action b/c the city of Atlanta is paying $125,000 in fines every month for polluting the Chattahoochee.....I'd support you. I expect all Americans to blow the whistle on government fraud. Will it make a difference? LOL...probably not. But we all still have to try. We can't just look away and hope it blows over.


    We have to fight for what believe no matter how trivial. But we are creating a huge divide in this country during the process. I don't see it slowing down anytime soon.


    I honestly don't want to see displays of a religious or spiritual nature in any courthouse. We're there for one reason.......to beat the ticket.


    BTW, without Christianity there would be no Atheism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pharm_teg
    The First Amendment states, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." Everything in the Constitution is up for interpretation...just like the Bible. I won't argue that b/c I'd be here all day.
    The Georgia State Motto and Crest both say that "Wisdom, Justice, and Moderation" Where is the Moderation in fighting over inanimate objects that DO nothing?

    How are words inscribed in a rock establishing a religion anymore than words written in a book? Law books, Constitutions, and Sentences often refer to "God" and "soul" and "heaven" and "hell" and many other biblical references. WHY aren't you guys up in arms about that? Why not just get to book burning those law books and state Constitutions which merely MENTION there is a GOD????

    Like I said before, there has to always be a beginning and an end. Perpetual only belongs to references of heaven and hell, which I know you don't believe in. Point is that somewhere someone has to say enough is enough. For over 200 years the same words have adorned many hallways throughtout the entire U.S.A. How come all of a sudden in the last few years has there been any contention as to it's validity under the "law"????

    The truly ironic thing is that in order to argue a relatively new argument the detractors use one of the OLDEST Constitutional ideas known to man....."the separation of church and state"......although not one person yet has proven WHY our fore fathers would litter their documents with the word "GOD" yet now all of a sudden everyone THINKS they meant we have to have a Godless Nation.....


    We all pick and choose are battles with how the government abuses its powers. I'm sure there are things that get under your skin. But should it be swept under the rug? Your voice should just as loud as the voice of 200,000 Americans. If you wanted to take action b/c the city of Atlanta is paying $125,000 in fines every month for polluting the Chattahoochee.....I'd support you. I expect all Americans to blow the whistle on government fraud. Will it make a difference? LOL...probably not. But we all still have to try. We can't just look away and hope it blows over.




    We have to fight for what believe no matter how trivial. But we are creating a huge divide in this country during the process. I don't see it slowing down anytime soon.
    Why is that you condemn the "Christians" for protesting, yet right here you say we all MUST???? Can't have it both ways.

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    I hope you're not an Ann Coulter fan.

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