Please watch this video. Copy and paste it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change
The truth of 9/11
Please watch this video. Copy and paste it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change
lol, dumb
oh yeah, and REPOST
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FTWOriginally Posted by GsrTurbo320
i hate dumbasses trying to be political, as this wonderful conspiracy theory.
still a good watch,.
Last edited by cherry kool aid; 04-18-2006 at 09:48 PM.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
won't even waste my time trying to understand your conspiracy theorist bullshit point of view.
OMG, this video is posted every fucking week. I have been talking to Dylan Avery who made this video and on my PC I have hundreds of interviews and articles on the 9/11 attacks that I have gathered over the past 6 months. Alot stuff which will blow your mind but it's a free country and we have the right to believe what we want. I just don't understand why everyone believes and trusts the Bush administation and the media (conservative and liberal). I could go on forever about this.......
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
-Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
c'mon ryno you should know better, remember we are in the bible belt.....
Val for President
My beliefs have nothing to do with the media. It's just a moral thing for me... I simply cannot comprehend that our government would take any part in a scenario that kills so many innocent americans for whatever profit. Thats all it is for me. Bush may not be the brightest president we've had, but he's not evil.
why? cause bush could NEVER be as evil as stalin, or hitler?
since you know him personally and allThats all it is for me. Bush may not be the brightest president we've had, but he's not evil.
Val for President
Like I said, it's a moral thing. I dont know him personally, no shit. Go ahead and believe whatever your twisted little hateful mind wants.. It's cool. But I try and atleast believe that our government isn't an evil system... Sure they aren't the most moral/honest folks, but straight out murdering thousands of our own people for some gain? nahh... i'm gonna need more than some video made by a fat biased one sided bastard (Moore) or some kid made in his free time.why? cause bush could NEVER be as evil as stalin, or hitler?
since you know him personally and all
i just watched it and i have to say it makes me think
but thats it. good video. i retract my dumbass comment, i figured it was like the typical dumbass vids ive been seeing.
When I was a child, I used to talk as a child, think as a child, reason as a child; when I became a man, I put aside childish things.
Sorry about the repost guys but it seemed interesting to watch to me. It still hasn't made me take a side but good to know.
Planning an attack on scale with 9/11 takes time. Bush and his administration didn't have it IMO.
Do you really think something like this only involves this administration?
I doubt we will ever know who was behind the 9/11 attacks. I have even heard some bogus stories that not only Bush was behind it but also Clinton and Kerry. One fact is that the Bushes and the Clintons have been on vacations together several times since 9/11/01 and never before then. Makes you wonder......
As far as the 9/11 attacks on WTC, somebody please try to explain why WTC 7 fell? It wasn't hit by a plane, gov't says that burning debris from the twin towers caused it to catch on fire and collapse. :jerkit:
"Lighthouses are more helpful than churches."
-Benjamin Franklin, American Founding Father, author, and inventor
all kinds of interesting questions raised by that video, we'll probably never find out though...
Remember the attack Osama bin Laden made on the towers back in the 90's? Well guess who WASN'T the president then. NOT GEORGE BUSH. Guess who was. BILL CLINTON WAS. Are you saying that George Bush planned that too? If so, for what purpose?:confused:
AE86 DORIFTO
no, but it sure gave them a great scapegoat for this charade didn't it?
Haha, I've wondered for a long time if Bin Laden really even had anything to do with it. I mean it would be pretty convenient for him to see it happen and decide... "Hey, I should take credit for that!" I just wanna know why it's taking so long for them to find his ass, hell if they can find Sadaam in a fuckin hole why cant they find an 8 ft tall dude with a damn entourage thats sending out video feeds. Unless they're stalling until they can secure the oil, then "conveniently" catch him about that same time to "justify" the reason for the war.
becuase we havent REALLY looked for him
the whole time we were over there originally was to waste time for Bush to find a reason to attack Iraq.
Saddam
1. Did not EVER harbor Bin Laden (they were enemies). Before the first Gulf War Bin Laden came to the US saying, "You dont want to attack Saddam? i will. (sound like they were friends?)
2. Where are the WMDs? There arent any. No bullshit about he hid them, there is no way he hid them, where the fuck would they be? He wasnt afraid of anyone attacking him.
Val for President
^^^i can just see one of gw's many dumbass faces as he stands accused of helping to conspire in the 9/11 attacks
^^^
the reason no one believes conspiracy theorist's is because most of the people that are conspiracy theorists are paranoid they think the government is everywhere watching them and so thats why no one lissens to anything u dumbasses have to say.
Yep you guys are exactly right and FDR allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor im glad we have you crazy conspiracy theorists around to figure this stuff out with out you guys we would all be doomed
dude shut the fuck up
you werent in NYC or DC on 9/11 so dont act like your word is anymore believable than anyone else on this board
Val for President
Im entitled to my own opinion and if i wanna call them fucking crazy conspiracy theorists i will. You seem to put ur opinion in on everything anyways so dont tell me to shut the fuck up when u do the same shit.
but i dont dismiss others idea as crazy. and i will tell you to shut the fuck up if i feel like it, cause like you said im entitled to it.
plus atleast when i voice my opinion its only an opinion.
you wont see me bringing others down for what they believe, cause im not an ignorant asshole
Val for President
do you always take everything you see on the news as complete truth?
as for me being a crazy conspiracy theorist, as much as i'd love to have that title i don't really consider myself that. up until i saw this video i believed what i saw and never really questioned it because it seemed very clear cut as to what happened. after seeing it and trying to hold an open mind there are many things questioned that i also asked myself when i saw it initially but never bothered digging into.
and you never answered my question. where did all the plane parts go at the pentagon and in PA? how did a large passenger plane leave nothing but a round hole in the pentagon and no wreckage outside? instead of calling names why not answer that with a legitimate response?
unless you have some undeniable evidence as to how these 2 planes just disappeared into thin air then you are just a theorist yourself.
exactly
Val for President
i Love the fact that this video is getting so much attention...
there is no way anyoen could watch it and not have ther doubts.
has anyone read the Art of War? it speaks about the same kind of conspiracies or things that governments will do or have done in the past.
Do u know what happens to a plane that hits a building at over 500+ mph? Regular Civil airliners can break up at those speeds they were not designed to fly at that high of a speed. There is a test that aircraft must pass in order to be allowed to fly, they test the strength of the wings and how much of an angle they can be bent upward before they snap off. US Air Force military aircraft do not have this test because they are built so strong that there is no fear of their wings snapping off. Regular Civilian aircraft are very week in comparision, and combined with the temeratures of the fire that raged with the jet fuel the speed of the aircraft and the impact that was made in the side of the the pentagon and Shanksville, PA it is obvious that it was a jet airliner and not a cruise missle. There that is your explanation to your theory of aircraft parts. Look at what happened to the towers when those planes hit, could you see any wreckage in the buildings after the planes hit?
O ya its gonna take another 9/11 before you guys realize that its not the government that is blowing stuff up around the country. Would you guys still be saying the government did this even if Gore was the president and not Bush on 9/11? Look at the facts dont be pissed off because a Democrat isnt president. You guys call Bush a Dumbass and w/e well if hes such a dumbass how could he pull off a conspiacy like the one you guys keep saying he did.
If i asked you why were in iraq im willing to bet your answer would be oil. Well if we were there for oil do you really think we would be paying 3$+ a gallon? Get past the fucking politics and look at the facts stop hating bush for just one second and look at things from a moderate view point.
And no i dont believe everything i see on TV because if i did i would be just like you guys bashing the war in Iraq and bashing Bush. Thats all the news networks do besides Fox News. You guys must be the ones that believe everything you see on TV and the Internet because the moment this video showed up you guys were freaking out saying o this is the truth and what not.
Last edited by Scgrandprix; 05-01-2006 at 02:34 PM.
ok first off yes i would still think i COULD have been done by the govt if gore (the robot) was in office or Kerry (the flipflopper).
ok lets use some common sense here, lets just say IF the govt did plan the attack, you really think it was Bush all by himself? cmon. I highly doubt bush had anything to do with it. There are more people in the govt than just the president. and plus the others have been in office a lot longer (ie senators and house members).
so yea get off of your conservative views and think for a second that not everyone who thinks the govt did this is AUTOMATICALLY a democrat. And not everyone who hates bush is AUTOMATICALLY a democrat
i dunno man......bush is still a dumbass, can't really argue that
Val for President
AMEN! someone listen to this guy, he actually knows what he's talkin aboutso yea get off of your conservative views and think for a second that not everyone who thinks the govt did this is AUTOMATICALLY a democrat. And not everyone who hates bush is AUTOMATICALLY a democrat
so it's your explanation that the wings/engines/tail of BOTH planes all were entirely obliterated into nothingness upon crashing? so instead of being mildly consistent with every other commercial airliner crash in history, these two planes defied the laws of physics and their wings flew off on their own?
here's another question that wasn't addressed in the video, since you have such a great understanding of aeronautical engineering. the fuel tanks in the 757 are in the wings, roughly 90 feet apart from one another. why was basically all of the fire at the pentagon focused at the center impact hole?
surely the fuel tanks would have burned much larger and longer than the fuselage? if the tail wing was vaporized, why were the windows just above the impact hole still intact? surely it would have hit something before shredding to bits. note they are high strength windows, but i don't think they'd withstand the impact of a 757's tail rudder coming at them at pretty much any speed.
how did the wing magically clear the generator just to the right of the impact hole but damage the bottom most floor only? (even though that damage isn't consistant with being struck by a wing at 350mph)
i don't care who the president is, i don't get into all of that political crap myself. the reason i believe some of the points in the video is because scientific and COMMON SENSE proof was given with each claim made. you believe what you want to, i won't fault you for it. but if you can't see the inconsistencies being presented by the "official" story then i'm truly sorry. to me the things i'm seeing are too much just a story from the govt side and not enough proof to back anything up under the guise of being classified info. again, if the plane hit the building, why did the security videos get confiscated from the gas station and hotel and never released. they released the 5 or so frames from the pentagon's own sercurity camera that doesn't show anything but a flash and a fireball, where is the video that shows a commercial airplane in at least minor detail striking the building?
so it's your explanation that the wings/engines/tail of BOTH planes all were entirely obliterated into nothingness upon crashing? so instead of being mildly consistent with every other commercial airliner crash in history, these two planes defied the laws of physics and their wings flew off on their own?
here's another question that wasn't addressed in the video, since you have such a great understanding of aeronautical engineering. the fuel tanks in the 757 are in the wings, roughly 90 feet apart from one another. why was basically all of the fire at the pentagon focused at the center impact hole?
surely the fuel tanks would have burned much larger and longer than the fuselage? if the tail wing was vaporized, why were the windows just above the impact hole still intact? surely it would have hit something before shredding to bits. note they are high strength windows, but i don't think they'd withstand the impact of a 757's tail rudder coming at them at pretty much any speed.
how did the wing magically clear the generator just to the right of the impact hole but damage the bottom most floor only? (even though that damage isn't consistant with being struck by a wing at 350mph)
i don't care who the president is, i don't get into all of that political crap myself. the reason i believe some of the points in the video is because scientific and COMMON SENSE proof was given with each claim made. you believe what you want to, i won't fault you for it. but if you can't see the inconsistencies being presented by the "official" story then i'm truly sorry. to me the things i'm seeing are too much just a story from the govt side and not enough proof to back anything up under the guise of being classified info. again, if the plane hit the building, why did the security videos get confiscated from the gas station and hotel and never released. they released the 5 or so frames from the pentagon's own sercurity camera that doesn't show anything but a flash and a fireball, where is the video that shows a commercial airplane in at least minor detail striking the building?
Val for President
so it's your explanation that the wings/engines/tail of BOTH planes all were entirely obliterated into nothingness upon crashing? so instead of being mildly consistent with every other commercial airliner crash in history, these two planes defied the laws of physics and their wings flew off on their own?
here's another question that wasn't addressed in the video, since you have such a great understanding of aeronautical engineering. the fuel tanks in the 757 are in the wings, roughly 90 feet apart from one another. why was basically all of the fire at the pentagon focused at the center impact hole?
surely the fuel tanks would have burned much larger and longer than the fuselage? if the tail wing was vaporized, why were the windows just above the impact hole still intact? surely it would have hit something before shredding to bits. note they are high strength windows, but i don't think they'd withstand the impact of a 757's tail rudder coming at them at pretty much any speed.
how did the wing magically clear the generator just to the right of the impact hole but damage the bottom most floor only? (even though that damage isn't consistant with being struck by a wing at 350mph)
i don't care who the president is, i don't get into all of that political crap myself. the reason i believe some of the points in the video is because scientific and COMMON SENSE proof was given with each claim made. you believe what you want to, i won't fault you for it. but if you can't see the inconsistencies being presented by the "official" story then i'm truly sorry. to me the things i'm seeing are too much just a story from the govt side and not enough proof to back anything up under the guise of being classified info. again, if the plane hit the building, why did the security videos get confiscated from the gas station and hotel and never released. they released the 5 or so frames from the pentagon's own sercurity camera that doesn't show anything but a flash and a fireball, where is the video that shows a commercial airplane in at least minor detail striking the building?watch the damn video and actually think through the FACTS presented without being a biased conservative OR liberal.
Check out the DoD releases crash tape thread. There's a link in there that has some really good points on the pentagon incident and sources to back them up. I'll throw out the important stuff(at least it was to me). The windows were 3 inches thick(I think. That link says the exact) and shatter proof. Some of them were found on the ground intact. As far as the size of the hole(They were nocked out of their frames). The diameter of the fusilage(sp)(with landing gear up) matched the size of the hole in the pentagon. The top half of the planes fusilage was hollow(Passengers) so it sheared off on impact. Pieces of it were raining down on the lawn for minutes after the crash. The right engine did clip the generator. It turned it 45 degrees TOWARDS the Pentagon. A missle or explosion would have blown it the opposite direction. Back to the lack of damage on the exterior walls. They had been reinforced with kevlar to keep outer walls from shattering(The area was under construction). The wings were loaded with fuel. On impact, the wings were probably incinerated from the explosion. The burnt areas all around the point of impact suggest this. You kind of have to look at the fusilage in bullet theory. When you fire a gun at a piece of plywood, it leaves a nice symetrical hole(most of the time). Think of the fusilage as a huge bullet traveling at 400+MPH. They found one of the engines(I think it was the ground piloting) and most of the debris matched the materials used in boeing's construction. There are still tons of questions that need clarification. However, all evidence(At least the evidence I have seen) points towards a boeing 757.so it's your explanation that the wings/engines/tail of BOTH planes all were entirely obliterated into nothingness upon crashing? so instead of being mildly consistent with every other commercial airliner crash in history, these two planes defied the laws of physics and their wings flew off on their own?
here's another question that wasn't addressed in the video, since you have such a great understanding of aeronautical engineering. the fuel tanks in the 757 are in the wings, roughly 90 feet apart from one another. why was basically all of the fire at the pentagon focused at the center impact hole?
surely the fuel tanks would have burned much larger and longer than the fuselage? if the tail wing was vaporized, why were the windows just above the impact hole still intact? surely it would have hit something before shredding to bits. note they are high strength windows, but i don't think they'd withstand the impact of a 757's tail rudder coming at them at pretty much any speed.
how did the wing magically clear the generator just to the right of the impact hole but damage the bottom most floor only? (even though that damage isn't consistant with being struck by a wing at 350mph)
i don't care who the president is, i don't get into all of that political crap myself. the reason i believe some of the points in the video is because scientific and COMMON SENSE proof was given with each claim made. you believe what you want to, i won't fault you for it. but if you can't see the inconsistencies being presented by the "official" story then i'm truly sorry. to me the things i'm seeing are too much just a story from the govt side and not enough proof to back anything up under the guise of being classified info. again, if the plane hit the building, why did the security videos get confiscated from the gas station and hotel and never released. they released the 5 or so frames from the pentagon's own sercurity camera that doesn't show anything but a flash and a fireball, where is the video that shows a commercial airplane in at least minor detail striking the building?
Edit: This is a link to the site I mentioned earlier. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html
Last edited by Xan; 05-18-2006 at 11:50 AM. Reason: Info
bush is still a dumbass, can't really argue that
like i said, xan in the other thread brought up some interesting points about several sources indicating there were some truck convoys as well as air shipments headed toward the syrian border right before we invaded. don't know how much truth lies in it but it is a small possibility at least.
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