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    Default The truth of 9/11

    Please watch this video. Copy and paste it.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5137581991288263801&q=loose+change


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    lol, dumb

    oh yeah, and REPOST
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    damn noob

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    i hate dumbasses trying to be political, as this wonderful conspiracy theory.
    still a good watch,.
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    won't even waste my time trying to understand your conspiracy theorist bullshit point of view.
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    OMG, this video is posted every fucking week. I have been talking to Dylan Avery who made this video and on my PC I have hundreds of interviews and articles on the 9/11 attacks that I have gathered over the past 6 months. Alot stuff which will blow your mind but it's a free country and we have the right to believe what we want. I just don't understand why everyone believes and trusts the Bush administation and the media (conservative and liberal). I could go on forever about this.......
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryno
    OMG, this video is posted every fucking week. I have been talking to Dylan Avery who made this video and on my PC I have hundreds of interviews and articles on the 9/11 attacks that I have gathered over the past 6 months. Alot stuff which will blow your mind but it's a free country and we have the right to believe what we want. I just don't understand why everyone believes and trusts the Bush administation and the media (conservative and liberal). I could go on forever about this.......
    c'mon ryno you should know better, remember we are in the bible belt.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ryno
    OMG, this video is posted every fucking week. I have been talking to Dylan Avery who made this video and on my PC I have hundreds of interviews and articles on the 9/11 attacks that I have gathered over the past 6 months. Alot stuff which will blow your mind but it's a free country and we have the right to believe what we want. I just don't understand why everyone believes and trusts the Bush administation and the media (conservative and liberal). I could go on forever about this.......
    My beliefs have nothing to do with the media. It's just a moral thing for me... I simply cannot comprehend that our government would take any part in a scenario that kills so many innocent americans for whatever profit. Thats all it is for me. Bush may not be the brightest president we've had, but he's not evil.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyPer50
    My beliefs have nothing to do with the media. It's just a moral thing for me... I simply cannot comprehend that our government would take any part in a scenario that kills so many innocent americans for whatever profit.
    why? cause bush could NEVER be as evil as stalin, or hitler?
    Thats all it is for me. Bush may not be the brightest president we've had, but he's not evil.
    since you know him personally and all
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    i just watched it and i have to say it makes me think
    but thats it. good video. i retract my dumbass comment, i figured it was like the typical dumbass vids ive been seeing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulud
    why? cause bush could NEVER be as evil as stalin, or hitler?

    since you know him personally and all
    Like I said, it's a moral thing. I dont know him personally, no shit. Go ahead and believe whatever your twisted little hateful mind wants.. It's cool. But I try and atleast believe that our government isn't an evil system... Sure they aren't the most moral/honest folks, but straight out murdering thousands of our own people for some gain? nahh... i'm gonna need more than some video made by a fat biased one sided bastard (Moore) or some kid made in his free time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyPer50
    Like I said, it's a moral thing. I dont know him personally, no shit. Go ahead and believe whatever your twisted little hateful mind wants.. It's cool.
    twisted? hahahaha why? because i know how government can be?
    But I try and atleast believe that our government isn't an evil system... Sure they aren't the most moral/honest folks, but straight out murdering thousands of our own people for some gain? nahh... i'm gonna need more than some video made by a fat biased one sided bastard (Moore) or some kid made in his free time.
    what makes our government so much more trustful than any other?

    and yea tehy video by moore was fun to watch but did nothing to sway my thinking at all, it was pure propaganda. but i did love the part when bush found out about the 9/11 attacks how he just sat there lololol
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulud
    what makes our government so much more trustful than any other?
    The fact that it's the government of the country I live in, and plan to always live in (i.e. I dont have a problem with this country) so yes, I'd be more willing to trust my countries government, than I would be willing to trust, Al qaeda, communists, dictators, france, whatever else. Nobody (aside from those that are guilty) know who's really right or wrong, it's just what I believe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyPer50
    The fact that it's the government of the country I live in, and plan to always live in (i.e. I dont have a problem with this country) so yes, I'd be more willing to trust my countries government, than I would be willing to trust, Al qaeda, communists, dictators, france, whatever else. Nobody (aside from those that are guilty) know who's really right or wrong, it's just what I believe.
    that still makes no sense, so what your saying is that if you were born and lived in communist cuba you would say their govt is the best because you live there.


    all i am saying is that the government does NOT always act in the best moral statures that the people seem to believe they do
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulud
    all i am saying is that the government does NOT always act in the best moral statures that the people seem to believe they do
    I already admitted that they aren't the most moral folks... but being a bit dishonest and greedy isn't the same thing as killing thousands of innocent people.

    As for the whole "being born in cuba" part... hell if I know how I'd be if I was born in a communist country, but luckily I was born in the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyPer50
    I already admitted that they aren't the most moral folks... but being a bit dishonest and greedy isn't the same thing as killing thousands of innocent people.
    how so? iraq which we have no reason (based on the 9/11 reason) to be in a war with, we are in a war with for oil plain and simple
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulud
    how so? iraq which we have no reason (based on the 9/11 reason) to be in a war with, we are in a war with for oil plain and simple
    what are you asking how so to? in reference to them killing 1000's of innocent people?

    I'm for the war in Iraq (i'm sure you could of guessed that by now...), ya, so the country has alot of oil.. they also had a dictator who is notorious for genocide, who has threatened many countries, and who should of been taken out in the first war with Iraq. There are PLENTY of reasons for the war in Iraq, the oil thing is just nice side benefit. Now if we just ran into Canada and attacked a decent, neutral, unthreatening country for there... pork, or lumber or whatever there main export is, that'd be different, but Iraq is not a decent, neutral, unthreatening country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyPer50
    what are you asking how so to? in reference to them killing 1000's of innocent people?

    I'm for the war in Iraq (i'm sure you could of guessed that by now...), ya, so the country has alot of oil.. they also had a dictator who is notorious for genocide, who has threatened many countries, and who should of been taken out in the first war with Iraq. There are PLENTY of reasons for the war in Iraq, the oil thing is just nice side benefit. Now if we just ran into Canada and attacked a decent, neutral, unthreatening country for there... pork, or lumber or whatever there main export is, that'd be different, but Iraq is not a decent, neutral, unthreatening country.
    how does iraq threaten us? they werent even a sovriegn country at the time of the attack. they did not harbor terrorists they did not have weapons of mass destruction, those were the reasons for attacking iraq.

    yes he was a terrible person/leader, but how is it our responsibility to "police" the world? what if china thought bush was a terrible leader, then they attack us and control what we do? how would you feel?


    and the oil was WAY MORE than just a side benefit, did you ever think about how much oil companies run the U.S.?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulud
    how does iraq threaten us? they werent even a sovriegn country at the time of the attack. they did not harbor terrorists they did not have weapons of mass destruction, those were the reasons for attacking iraq.

    yes he was a terrible person/leader, but how is it our responsibility to "police" the world? what if china thought bush was a terrible leader, then they attack us and control what we do? how would you feel?


    and the oil was WAY MORE than just a side benefit, did you ever think about how much oil companies run the U.S.?
    I know that oil companies have a huge influence in our government, thats nothing new. All I'm saying is there were other reasons behind the war other than just financial gain. Anyways man, I know we disagree on ALOT of subjects (religion, government, barry bonds lol) and thats all good, I'm not trying to change your mind, just like you won't change mine. I'm just saying what I think/believe, certainly doesn't make it fact or THE truth, it's just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HyPer50
    I know that oil companies have a huge influence in our government, thats nothing new. All I'm saying is there were other reasons behind the war other than just financial gain. Anyways man, I know we disagree on ALOT of subjects (religion, government, barry bonds lol) and thats all good, I'm not trying to change your mind, just like you won't change mine. I'm just saying what I think/believe, certainly doesn't make it fact or THE truth, it's just my opinion.
    i agree with you 100% on this comment (especially the barry bonds comment lol) hahahahahahahhaahaha


    it doesnt change the fact if i ever meet you, even though we have completely different view i still have an open mind when meeting people
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    just to jump in on this one but someone posted this shit on another forum

    The fact is these two World Trade Towers fell in less than ten seconds. If you apply Newton's laws and the force of gravity of 32.2ft/sec^2, it would take a golf ball 9.2 seconds to fall the 104 stories from the top of a Trade Tower to the ground (assuming it was falling in a vacuum). For the towers to collapse in 10 seconds or less as they did, they would have to be subject to demolition charges. Survivors of the tower's collapse claim that they heard explosions all over the place 40 and 50 floors below the impact of the planes. Slow motion of the film of the tower's fall shows charges exploding every 10 stories ahead of the collapse. The 10-second fall times are verified by both film and seismic measurements from Columbia University.

    My grandfather McKeon used to say stay out of the military, "it's always a rich man's war and a poor man's fight." He is right. Consider these facts:

    *The World Trade Towers were known to store gold bullion in the lower floors
    underground. Estimates put the stash value at 100-150 billion US. All that was found when they cleared the rubble was approximately $200 million in gold.

    *The new owner of the three WTC buildings that collapsed in the attack bought the buildings in June, 2001 and placed a $3.5 billion insurance policy on each of them for terrorist attack. US courts later awarded him 2.2 billion.

    *Hot, molten iron was found in the basement levels of the trade towers 5 weeks after they fell. You may think that would be explained by the fires from the jet fuel. However, hot, molten iron was also found in the bottom of the rubble from WTC building 7 as well. That was the 47-story building (same owner as the WTC Towers) that was 300 feet way that also fell, but it not have jet fuel in it.



    The US military blew up the trade towers. They also launched a cruise missile at the Pentagon. There was no jet plane that crashed and no evidence of one afterwards at the Pentagon damage sight. The two 6-ton jet engines from the supposed Boeing 757 were never found in the wreckage of the Pentagon and the government wants us to believe that these steel and titanium engines were "vaporized" in the fire. That just doesn't happen. I am not sure how you could "vaporize" titanium jet engines. Even at the epicenter of a nuclear blast they wouldn't vaporize. Melt maybe, but that would be it.



    "Remember the Maine." In February 1898, the USS Maine was blown up in Havana Harbor dragging the US into war with Spain. The sinking of the Lusitania on May 7, 1915 dragged the US into World War One despite overwhelming opposition by the American people. The USS Maddox and the USS Turner Joy were attacked by Vietnam forces in the Golf of Tonkin dragging the US into a war with North Vietnam. In every one of these
    acts, it was found that duplicity was involved. The Maine did not hit a mine.
    Evidence has now shown that the boiler was sabotaged and exploded. The Lusitania was sunk only after repeated warnings from the German government. The ship was deliberately sent into harm's way and was in fact smuggling armaments (recently found in a search of the wreckage). The Golf of Tonkin incident was a set up from the start with the US forces clearly crossing into Vietnamese territory. All of these events were used to justify war.



    The only attack on US forces since the American Civil War that has proven to be authentic was the bombing of Pearl Harbor by Japan. Contrary to speculation, President Roosevelt did not know about the sneak attack until after the event. Howerver, this attack again dragged the US into war. US involvement in World War Two once again came in spite of overwhelming American opposition to it and a promise by Roosevelt not to send American boys into any foreign wars (a pre-election promise).



    So, they have done it to us again. The question is why? The answer of course is oil. The money holders of the US knows that America has to control the world's oil. We need direct control of Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait in order to control the world's oil reserves. We already control three of the four. Iran is next on the list so get ready. Don't be surprised if we have another "terrorist" attack on US soil or on US forces traced back to Iran this time.



    One last fact of interest, nine of the supposedly 19 hijackers that launched the 9/11 terrorist attacks have been found to be alive and well and living in the Middle East. I would be willing to bet that all the supposed attackers are still alive and well. Just like the plane (flight 93) that supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania during the 9/11 attack has been found in one piece. I suspect that most of the governments of the major countries of the world now know that the WTC attacks were faked which is why they are opposing US interests at every turn. I sadly think that many people
    in Washington including both Republicans and Democrats know this as well and are perpetrating the lie. Money is behind it all. It is again a rich man's war and a poor man's fight.


    just remmeber - I didnt write that shit lol


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    Sorry about the repost guys but it seemed interesting to watch to me. It still hasn't made me take a side but good to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hulud
    and the oil was WAY MORE than just a side benefit, did you ever think about how much oil companies run the U.S.?
    i'm gonna have to disagree with this one, went to a transportation conference just 6 months ago where a professor at Univ of Houston (who's also a world renowned crude oil expert) pretty much flat out said that ALL of iraq's oil combined is but a tiny dent in how much this war has cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absoludely
    i'm gonna have to disagree with this one, went to a transportation conference just 6 months ago where a professor at Univ of Houston (who's also a world renowned crude oil expert) pretty much flat out said that ALL of iraq's oil combined is but a tiny dent in how much this war has cost.

    thats where it just becomes a he said she said bullshit stuff

    unless he had actual documented proof, I hold doubts on everything ( and I mean everything, I like solid proof before making my own conclusions )


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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormhammer
    thats where it just becomes a he said she said bullshit stuff

    unless he had actual documented proof, I hold doubts on everything ( and I mean everything, I like solid proof before making my own conclusions )
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    That could be true......... OR some terrorists under the command of Osama bin Laden could have crashed some planes into the towers.
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    Planning an attack on scale with 9/11 takes time. Bush and his administration didn't have it IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absoludely
    i'm gonna have to disagree with this one, went to a transportation conference just 6 months ago where a professor at Univ of Houston (who's also a world renowned crude oil expert) pretty much flat out said that ALL of iraq's oil combined is but a tiny dent in how much this war has cost.

    every man has his price.... anyone can be called an expert at anything, doesn't always mean they're right.

    a lot of the video makes sense when you look into it. i vividly remember seeing the "wreckage" both at the pentagon and at the spot in Penn. and wondering where everything went. i could recreate the Penn. site with a dozer and some scrap metal from a junk yard. there were no discernable pieces to be seen and a plane of that size doesn't just shatter into a billion tiny pieces and disappear into the wind.

    as for the buildings collapsing, again the video shows the evidence that there were demo charges going off. the camera placed on the building near the towers shakes before the building even begins to move and you hear the explosion just the same. light moves faster than sound, so the sound wasn't coming from the building as it collapsed. with the way the one plane hit on the corner of the building it likely would have toppled over to the side, but somehow the building managed to fall straight down just like a controlled demolition.

    i'd rather not believe that it's possible for our government to do such a thing, but at the same time when people convince themselves it's "for the greater good" then a lot of bad things can be done with that excuse.

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    Look at history and you will see the future. It always has and always will repeat itself. Either let things happen or do something about it, make your choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xan
    Planning an attack on scale with 9/11 takes time. Bush and his administration didn't have it IMO.

    Do you really think something like this only involves this administration?

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    I doubt we will ever know who was behind the 9/11 attacks. I have even heard some bogus stories that not only Bush was behind it but also Clinton and Kerry. One fact is that the Bushes and the Clintons have been on vacations together several times since 9/11/01 and never before then. Makes you wonder......

    As far as the 9/11 attacks on WTC, somebody please try to explain why WTC 7 fell? It wasn't hit by a plane, gov't says that burning debris from the twin towers caused it to catch on fire and collapse. :jerkit:
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    all kinds of interesting questions raised by that video, we'll probably never find out though...

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    Remember the attack Osama bin Laden made on the towers back in the 90's? Well guess who WASN'T the president then. NOT GEORGE BUSH. Guess who was. BILL CLINTON WAS. Are you saying that George Bush planned that too? If so, for what purpose?:confused:
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    Quote Originally Posted by AE86 Dorifto
    Remember the attack Osama bin Laden made on the towers back in the 90's? Well guess who WASN'T the president then. NOT GEORGE BUSH. Guess who was. BILL CLINTON WAS. Are you saying that George Bush planned that too? If so, for what purpose?:confused:

    no, but it sure gave them a great scapegoat for this charade didn't it?

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    ^^^ i can just see one of gw's many dumbass faces as he stands accused of helping to conspire in the 9/11 attacks

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    Quote Originally Posted by HiPSI
    no, but it sure gave them a great scapegoat for this charade didn't it?
    Haha, I've wondered for a long time if Bin Laden really even had anything to do with it. I mean it would be pretty convenient for him to see it happen and decide... "Hey, I should take credit for that!" I just wanna know why it's taking so long for them to find his ass, hell if they can find Sadaam in a fuckin hole why cant they find an 8 ft tall dude with a damn entourage thats sending out video feeds. Unless they're stalling until they can secure the oil, then "conveniently" catch him about that same time to "justify" the reason for the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by absoludely
    ^^^ i can just see one of gw's many dumbass faces as he stands accused of helping to conspire in the 9/11 attacks
    Hmmm, which one?



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    the reason no one believes conspiracy theorist's is because most of the people that are conspiracy theorists are paranoid they think the government is everywhere watching them and so thats why no one lissens to anything u dumbasses have to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormhammer
    just to jump in on this one but someone posted this shit on another forum

    The fact is these two World Trade Towers fell in less than ten seconds. If you apply Newton's laws and the force of gravity of 32.2ft/sec^2, it would take a golf ball 9.2 seconds to fall the 104 stories from the top of a Trade Tower to the ground (assuming it was falling in a vacuum). For the towers to collapse in 10 seconds or less as they did, they would have to be subject to demolition charges. Survivors of the tower's collapse claim that they heard explosions all over the place 40 and 50 floors below the impact of the planes. Slow motion of the film of the tower's fall shows charges exploding every 10 stories ahead of the collapse. The 10-second fall times are verified by both film and seismic measurements from Columbia University.

    My grandfather McKeon used to say stay out of the military, "it's always a rich man's war and a poor man's fight." He is right. Consider these facts:

    *The World Trade Towers were known to store gold bullion in the lower floors
    underground. Estimates put the stash value at 100-150 billion US. All that was found when they cleared the rubble was approximately $200 million in gold.

    *The new owner of the three WTC buildings that collapsed in the attack bought the buildings in June, 2001 and placed a $3.5 billion insurance policy on each of them for terrorist attack. US courts later awarded him 2.2 billion.

    *Hot, molten iron was found in the basement levels of the trade towers 5 weeks after they fell. You may think that would be explained by the fires from the jet fuel. However, hot, molten iron was also found in the bottom of the rubble from WTC building 7 as well. That was the 47-story building (same owner as the WTC Towers) that was 300 feet way that also fell, but it not have jet fuel in it.



    The US military blew up the trade towers. They also launched a cruise missile at the Pentagon. There was no jet plane that crashed and no evidence of one afterwards at the Pentagon damage sight. The two 6-ton jet engines from the supposed Boeing 757 were never found in the wreckage of the Pentagon and the government wants us to believe that these steel and titanium engines were "vaporized" in the fire. That just doesn't happen. I am not sure how you could "vaporize" titanium jet engines. Even at the epicenter of a nuclear blast they wouldn't vaporize. Melt maybe, but that would be it.



    "Remember the Maine." In February 1898, the USS Maine was blown up in Havana Harbor dragging the US into war with Spain. The sinking of the Lusitania on May 7, 1915 dragged the US into World War One despite overwhelming opposition by the American people. The USS Maddox and the USS Turner Joy were attacked by Vietnam forces in the Golf of Tonkin dragging the US into a war with North Vietnam. In every one of these
    acts, it was found that duplicity was involved. The Maine did not hit a mine.
    Evidence has now shown that the boiler was sabotaged and exploded. The Lusitania was sunk only after repeated warnings from the German government. The ship was deliberately sent into harm's way and was in fact smuggling armaments (recently found in a search of the wreckage). The Golf of Tonkin incident was a set up from the start with the US forces clearly crossing into Vietnamese territory. All of these events were used to justify war.



    The only attack on US forces since the American Civil War that has proven to be authentic was the bombing of Pearl Harbor by Japan. Contrary to speculation, President Roosevelt did not know about the sneak attack until after the event. Howerver, this attack again dragged the US into war. US involvement in World War Two once again came in spite of overwhelming American opposition to it and a promise by Roosevelt not to send American boys into any foreign wars (a pre-election promise).



    So, they have done it to us again. The question is why? The answer of course is oil. The money holders of the US knows that America has to control the world's oil. We need direct control of Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait in order to control the world's oil reserves. We already control three of the four. Iran is next on the list so get ready. Don't be surprised if we have another "terrorist" attack on US soil or on US forces traced back to Iran this time.



    One last fact of interest, nine of the supposedly 19 hijackers that launched the 9/11 terrorist attacks have been found to be alive and well and living in the Middle East. I would be willing to bet that all the supposed attackers are still alive and well. Just like the plane (flight 93) that supposedly crashed in Pennsylvania during the 9/11 attack has been found in one piece. I suspect that most of the governments of the major countries of the world now know that the WTC attacks were faked which is why they are opposing US interests at every turn. I sadly think that many people
    in Washington including both Republicans and Democrats know this as well and are perpetrating the lie. Money is behind it all. It is again a rich man's war and a poor man's fight.


    just remmeber - I didnt write that shit lol


    You wanna know whats really interesting? This thing says that the pentagon was hit by a cruise missle, and not an airplane. My question is what happened to the plane that was hijacked, people were on that plane and those people died. So where did that plane go? Also the cruise missle theory is wrong...people saw a plane flying over the pentagon not a fucking missle, the airtraffic controlers that were in the region followed the aircraft from hijack to crash. Dont argue with me on the airtraffic controler part my dad is the head supervisor for Hartsfield airtraffic control and he was working on 9-11 and my mom at the time was a flight attendent she was also flying. So dont think im bsing you.

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