The truth of 9/11

[HiPSI]

You wanna know whats really interesting? This thing says that the pentagon was hit by a cruise missle, and not an airplane. My question is what happened to the plane that was hijacked, people were on that plane and those people died. So where did that plane go? Also the cruise missle theory is wrong...people saw a plane flying over the pentagon not a fucking missle, the airtraffic controlers that were in the region followed the aircraft from hijack to crash. Dont argue with me on the airtraffic controler part my dad is the head supervisor for Hartsfield airtraffic control and he was working on 9-11 and my mom at the time was a flight attendent she was also flying. So dont think im bsing you.

doesn't mean the air traffic controllers weren't paid/threatened to tell their story. same goes for the "passengers" of said planes. like i said, every man has his price and even then the air traffic systems could be tricked with some electronics wizardry. why don't we hear of all these phone calls happening from the other planes that supposedly came from flight 93 for example? why won't the gov't release the video of the plane hitting the pentagon from the hotel and gas station nearby? we were able to see the planes hitting the towers vividly, so what's any different there?


but to your initial question... what DID happen to this "plane" in the crash? do you have an explanation of the crash zone that's feasible in any way? no wings, vertical tail rudder, large engine parts, or damage to the building consistant with anything of that size hitting it. no plane bits laying anywhere near the light poles that were mowed down when they easily would have torn a good bit of the plane apart wherever they touched it. same goes for the PA crash site, the evidence just isn't there to support the story everyone was told on that day.


nobody is saying the guy that made the video is 100% correct, but it sure as hell raises plenty of questions to be asked that will never be answered.

[Scgrandprix]

Yep you guys are exactly right and FDR allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor im glad we have you crazy conspiracy theorists around to figure this stuff out with out you guys we would all be doomed

[Hulud]

Yep you guys are exactly right and FDR allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor im glad we have you crazy conspiracy theorists around to figure this stuff out with out you guys we would all be doomed

dude shut the fuck up

you werent in NYC or DC on 9/11 so dont act like your word is anymore believable than anyone else on this board

[Hulud]

I just wanna know why it's taking so long for them to find his ass

becuase we havent REALLY looked for him

the whole time we were over there originally was to waste time for Bush to find a reason to attack Iraq.

Saddam
1. Did not EVER harbor Bin Laden (they were enemies). Before the first Gulf War Bin Laden came to the US saying, "You dont want to attack Saddam? i will. (sound like they were friends?)
2. Where are the WMDs? There arent any. No bullshit about he hid them, there is no way he hid them, where the fuck would they be? He wasnt afraid of anyone attacking him.

[Scgrandprix]

dude shut the fuck up

you werent in NYC or DC on 9/11 so dont act like your word is anymore believable than anyone else on this board

Im entitled to my own opinion and if i wanna call them fucking crazy conspiracy theorists i will. You seem to put ur opinion in on everything anyways so dont tell me to shut the fuck up when u do the same shit.

[Hulud]

Im entitled to my own opinion and if i wanna call them fucking crazy conspiracy theorists i will. You seem to put ur opinion in on everything anyways so dont tell me to shut the fuck up when u do the same shit.

but i dont dismiss others idea as crazy. and i will tell you to shut the fuck up if i feel like it, cause like you said im entitled to it.

plus atleast when i voice my opinion its only an opinion.
you wont see me bringing others down for what they believe, cause im not an ignorant asshole

[HiPSI]

Yep you guys are exactly right and FDR allowed the Japanese to bomb Pearl Harbor im glad we have you crazy conspiracy theorists around to figure this stuff out with out you guys we would all be doomed

do you always take everything you see on the news as complete truth?

as for me being a crazy conspiracy theorist, as much as i'd love to have that title i don't really consider myself that. up until i saw this video i believed what i saw and never really questioned it because it seemed very clear cut as to what happened. after seeing it and trying to hold an open mind there are many things questioned that i also asked myself when i saw it initially but never bothered digging into.

and you never answered my question. where did all the plane parts go at the pentagon and in PA? how did a large passenger plane leave nothing but a round hole in the pentagon and no wreckage outside? instead of calling names why not answer that with a legitimate response?

unless you have some undeniable evidence as to how these 2 planes just disappeared into thin air then you are just a theorist yourself.

[Hulud]

do you always take everything you see on the news as complete truth?

as for me being a crazy conspiracy theorist, as much as i'd love to have that title i don't really consider myself that. up until i saw this video i believed what i saw and never really questioned it because it seemed very clear cut as to what happened. after seeing it and trying to hold an open mind there are many things questioned that i also asked myself when i saw it initially but never bothered digging into.

exactly

[JITB]

i Love the fact that this video is getting so much attention...

there is no way anyoen could watch it and not have ther doubts.

has anyone read the Art of War? it speaks about the same kind of conspiracies or things that governments will do or have done in the past.

[ShooterMcGavin]

becuase we havent REALLY looked for him

the whole time we were over there originally was to waste time for Bush to find a reason to attack Iraq.

Saddam
1. Did not EVER harbor Bin Laden (they were enemies). Before the first Gulf War Bin Laden came to the US saying, "You dont want to attack Saddam? i will. (sound like they were friends?)
2. Where are the WMDs? There arent any. No bullshit about he hid them, there is no way he hid them, where the fuck would they be? He wasnt afraid of anyone attacking him.

if u haven't yet, u should check out the debate that went on the War on Iran thread. there was some talk about the WMDs between myself and Xan.

[Scgrandprix]

Do u know what happens to a plane that hits a building at over 500+ mph? Regular Civil airliners can break up at those speeds they were not designed to fly at that high of a speed. There is a test that aircraft must pass in order to be allowed to fly, they test the strength of the wings and how much of an angle they can be bent upward before they snap off. US Air Force military aircraft do not have this test because they are built so strong that there is no fear of their wings snapping off. Regular Civilian aircraft are very week in comparision, and combined with the temeratures of the fire that raged with the jet fuel the speed of the aircraft and the impact that was made in the side of the the pentagon and Shanksville, PA it is obvious that it was a jet airliner and not a cruise missle. There that is your explanation to your theory of aircraft parts. Look at what happened to the towers when those planes hit, could you see any wreckage in the buildings after the planes hit?

O ya its gonna take another 9/11 before you guys realize that its not the government that is blowing stuff up around the country. Would you guys still be saying the government did this even if Gore was the president and not Bush on 9/11? Look at the facts dont be pissed off because a Democrat isnt president. You guys call Bush a Dumbass and w/e well if hes such a dumbass how could he pull off a conspiacy like the one you guys keep saying he did.
If i asked you why were in iraq im willing to bet your answer would be oil. Well if we were there for oil do you really think we would be paying 3$+ a gallon? Get past the fucking politics and look at the facts stop hating bush for just one second and look at things from a moderate view point.

And no i dont believe everything i see on TV because if i did i would be just like you guys bashing the war in Iraq and bashing Bush. Thats all the news networks do besides Fox News. You guys must be the ones that believe everything you see on TV and the Internet because the moment this video showed up you guys were freaking out saying o this is the truth and what not.

[ShooterMcGavin]

bush is still a dumbass, can't really argue that

[Hulud]

O ya its gonna take another 9/11 before you guys realize that its not the government that is blowing stuff up around the country. Would you guys still be saying the government did this even if Gore was the president and not Bush on 9/11? Look at the facts dont be pissed off because a Democrat isnt president. You guys call Bush a Dumbass and w/e well if hes such a dumbass how could he pull off a conspiacy like the one you guys keep saying he did.
If i asked you why were in iraq im willing to bet your answer would be oil. Well if we were there for oil do you really think we would be paying 3$+ a gallon? Get past the fucking politics and look at the facts stop hating bush for just one second and look at things from a moderate view point.

ok first off yes i would still think i COULD have been done by the govt if gore (the robot) was in office or Kerry (the flipflopper).

ok lets use some common sense here, lets just say IF the govt did plan the attack, you really think it was Bush all by himself? cmon. I highly doubt bush had anything to do with it. There are more people in the govt than just the president. and plus the others have been in office a lot longer (ie senators and house members).


so yea get off of your conservative views and think for a second that not everyone who thinks the govt did this is AUTOMATICALLY a democrat. And not everyone who hates bush is AUTOMATICALLY a democrat

bush is still a dumbass, can't really argue that

i dunno man......

[HiPSI]

Do u know what happens to a plane that hits a building at over 500+ mph? Regular Civil airliners can break up at those speeds they were not designed to fly at that high of a speed. There is a test that aircraft must pass in order to be allowed to fly, they test the strength of the wings and how much of an angle they can be bent upward before they snap off. US Air Force military aircraft do not have this test because they are built so strong that there is no fear of their wings snapping off. Regular Civilian aircraft are very week in comparision, and combined with the temeratures of the fire that raged with the jet fuel the speed of the aircraft and the impact that was made in the side of the the pentagon and Shanksville, PA it is obvious that it was a jet airliner and not a cruise missle. There that is your explanation to your theory of aircraft parts. Look at what happened to the towers when those planes hit, could you see any wreckage in the buildings after the planes hit?

O ya its gonna take another 9/11 before you guys realize that its not the government that is blowing stuff up around the country. Would you guys still be saying the government did this even if Gore was the president and not Bush on 9/11? Look at the facts dont be pissed off because a Democrat isnt president. You guys call Bush a Dumbass and w/e well if hes such a dumbass how could he pull off a conspiacy like the one you guys keep saying he did.
If i asked you why were in iraq im willing to bet your answer would be oil. Well if we were there for oil do you really think we would be paying 3$+ a gallon? Get past the fucking politics and look at the facts stop hating bush for just one second and look at things from a moderate view point.

And no i dont believe everything i see on TV because if i did i would be just like you guys bashing the war in Iraq and bashing Bush. Thats all the news networks do besides Fox News. You guys must be the ones that believe everything you see on TV and the Internet because the moment this video showed up you guys were freaking out saying o this is the truth and what not.

so it's your explanation that the wings/engines/tail of BOTH planes all were entirely obliterated into nothingness upon crashing? so instead of being mildly consistent with every other commercial airliner crash in history, these two planes defied the laws of physics and their wings flew off on their own?

here's another question that wasn't addressed in the video, since you have such a great understanding of aeronautical engineering. the fuel tanks in the 757 are in the wings, roughly 90 feet apart from one another. why was basically all of the fire at the pentagon focused at the center impact hole?

surely the fuel tanks would have burned much larger and longer than the fuselage? if the tail wing was vaporized, why were the windows just above the impact hole still intact? surely it would have hit something before shredding to bits. note they are high strength windows, but i don't think they'd withstand the impact of a 757's tail rudder coming at them at pretty much any speed.


how did the wing magically clear the generator just to the right of the impact hole but damage the bottom most floor only? (even though that damage isn't consistant with being struck by a wing at 350mph)



i don't care who the president is, i don't get into all of that political crap myself. the reason i believe some of the points in the video is because scientific and COMMON SENSE proof was given with each claim made. you believe what you want to, i won't fault you for it. but if you can't see the inconsistencies being presented by the "official" story then i'm truly sorry. to me the things i'm seeing are too much just a story from the govt side and not enough proof to back anything up under the guise of being classified info. again, if the plane hit the building, why did the security videos get confiscated from the gas station and hotel and never released. they released the 5 or so frames from the pentagon's own sercurity camera that doesn't show anything but a flash and a fireball, where is the video that shows a commercial airplane in at least minor detail striking the building?

[Hulud]

so it's your explanation that the wings/engines/tail of BOTH planes all were entirely obliterated into nothingness upon crashing? so instead of being mildly consistent with every other commercial airliner crash in history, these two planes defied the laws of physics and their wings flew off on their own?

here's another question that wasn't addressed in the video, since you have such a great understanding of aeronautical engineering. the fuel tanks in the 757 are in the wings, roughly 90 feet apart from one another. why was basically all of the fire at the pentagon focused at the center impact hole?

surely the fuel tanks would have burned much larger and longer than the fuselage? if the tail wing was vaporized, why were the windows just above the impact hole still intact? surely it would have hit something before shredding to bits. note they are high strength windows, but i don't think they'd withstand the impact of a 757's tail rudder coming at them at pretty much any speed.


how did the wing magically clear the generator just to the right of the impact hole but damage the bottom most floor only? (even though that damage isn't consistant with being struck by a wing at 350mph)



i don't care who the president is, i don't get into all of that political crap myself. the reason i believe some of the points in the video is because scientific and COMMON SENSE proof was given with each claim made. you believe what you want to, i won't fault you for it. but if you can't see the inconsistencies being presented by the "official" story then i'm truly sorry. to me the things i'm seeing are too much just a story from the govt side and not enough proof to back anything up under the guise of being classified info. again, if the plane hit the building, why did the security videos get confiscated from the gas station and hotel and never released. they released the 5 or so frames from the pentagon's own sercurity camera that doesn't show anything but a flash and a fireball, where is the video that shows a commercial airplane in at least minor detail striking the building?

[ShooterMcGavin]

so yea get off of your conservative views and think for a second that not everyone who thinks the govt did this is AUTOMATICALLY a democrat. And not everyone who hates bush is AUTOMATICALLY a democrat

AMEN! someone listen to this guy, he actually knows what he's talkin about

[ShooterMcGavin]

so it's your explanation that the wings/engines/tail of BOTH planes all were entirely obliterated into nothingness upon crashing? so instead of being mildly consistent with every other commercial airliner crash in history, these two planes defied the laws of physics and their wings flew off on their own?

here's another question that wasn't addressed in the video, since you have such a great understanding of aeronautical engineering. the fuel tanks in the 757 are in the wings, roughly 90 feet apart from one another. why was basically all of the fire at the pentagon focused at the center impact hole?

surely the fuel tanks would have burned much larger and longer than the fuselage? if the tail wing was vaporized, why were the windows just above the impact hole still intact? surely it would have hit something before shredding to bits. note they are high strength windows, but i don't think they'd withstand the impact of a 757's tail rudder coming at them at pretty much any speed.


how did the wing magically clear the generator just to the right of the impact hole but damage the bottom most floor only? (even though that damage isn't consistant with being struck by a wing at 350mph)



i don't care who the president is, i don't get into all of that political crap myself. the reason i believe some of the points in the video is because scientific and COMMON SENSE proof was given with each claim made. you believe what you want to, i won't fault you for it. but if you can't see the inconsistencies being presented by the "official" story then i'm truly sorry. to me the things i'm seeing are too much just a story from the govt side and not enough proof to back anything up under the guise of being classified info. again, if the plane hit the building, why did the security videos get confiscated from the gas station and hotel and never released. they released the 5 or so frames from the pentagon's own sercurity camera that doesn't show anything but a flash and a fireball, where is the video that shows a commercial airplane in at least minor detail striking the building?

watch the damn video and actually think through the FACTS presented without being a biased conservative OR liberal.

[{X}Echo419]

becuase we havent REALLY looked for him

the whole time we were over there originally was to waste time for Bush to find a reason to attack Iraq.

Saddam
1. Did not EVER harbor Bin Laden (they were enemies). Before the first Gulf War Bin Laden came to the US saying, "You dont want to attack Saddam? i will. (sound like they were friends?)
2. Where are the WMDs? There arent any. No bullshit about he hid them, there is no way he hid them, where the fuck would they be? He wasnt afraid of anyone attacking him.

1. yes. I'll let you explore that 1.
2. yes. see Kurds.

[Hulud]

1. yes. I'll let you explore that 1.
2. yes. see Kurds.

yay my personal online stalker LOL

ok so explain how osama and sadam were friends, if they were going to attack each other :confused:

he may have HAD wmds at one time but not recently, or did he just happen to hide them that good?

[ShooterMcGavin]

like i said, xan in the other thread brought up some interesting points about several sources indicating there were some truck convoys as well as air shipments headed toward the syrian border right before we invaded. don't know how much truth lies in it but it is a small possibility at least.

[Scgrandprix]

like i said, xan in the other thread brought up some interesting points about several sources indicating there were some truck convoys as well as air shipments headed toward the syrian border right before we invaded. don't know how much truth lies in it but it is a small possibility at least.

Thats how saddams wife got away, but she ended up giving the US info to capture him. Before the war started her gave money and told her to go to Syria.

[{X}Echo419]

yay my personal online stalker LOL

ok so explain how osama and sadam were friends, if they were going to attack each other :confused:

he may have HAD wmds at one time but not recently, or did he just happen to hide them that good?

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2...2/220331.shtml

http://www.tcsdaily.com/article.aspx?id=092503F
there's books on both.
p.s. anyone read the article in Maxim about Uday torturing(sp) people, like the soccer team. beating them bloody then making them roll in the sand....then have thm jump off a diving board into a pool of shit and who knows what else.

[Xan]

so it's your explanation that the wings/engines/tail of BOTH planes all were entirely obliterated into nothingness upon crashing? so instead of being mildly consistent with every other commercial airliner crash in history, these two planes defied the laws of physics and their wings flew off on their own?

here's another question that wasn't addressed in the video, since you have such a great understanding of aeronautical engineering. the fuel tanks in the 757 are in the wings, roughly 90 feet apart from one another. why was basically all of the fire at the pentagon focused at the center impact hole?

surely the fuel tanks would have burned much larger and longer than the fuselage? if the tail wing was vaporized, why were the windows just above the impact hole still intact? surely it would have hit something before shredding to bits. note they are high strength windows, but i don't think they'd withstand the impact of a 757's tail rudder coming at them at pretty much any speed.


how did the wing magically clear the generator just to the right of the impact hole but damage the bottom most floor only? (even though that damage isn't consistant with being struck by a wing at 350mph)



i don't care who the president is, i don't get into all of that political crap myself. the reason i believe some of the points in the video is because scientific and COMMON SENSE proof was given with each claim made. you believe what you want to, i won't fault you for it. but if you can't see the inconsistencies being presented by the "official" story then i'm truly sorry. to me the things i'm seeing are too much just a story from the govt side and not enough proof to back anything up under the guise of being classified info. again, if the plane hit the building, why did the security videos get confiscated from the gas station and hotel and never released. they released the 5 or so frames from the pentagon's own sercurity camera that doesn't show anything but a flash and a fireball, where is the video that shows a commercial airplane in at least minor detail striking the building?

Check out the DoD releases crash tape thread. There's a link in there that has some really good points on the pentagon incident and sources to back them up. I'll throw out the important stuff(at least it was to me). The windows were 3 inches thick(I think. That link says the exact) and shatter proof. Some of them were found on the ground intact. As far as the size of the hole(They were nocked out of their frames). The diameter of the fusilage(sp)(with landing gear up) matched the size of the hole in the pentagon. The top half of the planes fusilage was hollow(Passengers) so it sheared off on impact. Pieces of it were raining down on the lawn for minutes after the crash. The right engine did clip the generator. It turned it 45 degrees TOWARDS the Pentagon. A missle or explosion would have blown it the opposite direction. Back to the lack of damage on the exterior walls. They had been reinforced with kevlar to keep outer walls from shattering(The area was under construction). The wings were loaded with fuel. On impact, the wings were probably incinerated from the explosion. The burnt areas all around the point of impact suggest this. You kind of have to look at the fusilage in bullet theory. When you fire a gun at a piece of plywood, it leaves a nice symetrical hole(most of the time). Think of the fusilage as a huge bullet traveling at 400+MPH. They found one of the engines(I think it was the ground piloting) and most of the debris matched the materials used in boeing's construction. There are still tons of questions that need clarification. However, all evidence(At least the evidence I have seen) points towards a boeing 757.

Edit: This is a link to the site I mentioned earlier. http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html