well if i want it, i'll go get it. that's the way i see things,. but in a world where biases and prejudices abound. i see it (AF-A) as a necessity. it's a crude way of trying to make the playing field a little more level.
well if i want it, i'll go get it. that's the way i see things,. but in a world where biases and prejudices abound. i see it (AF-A) as a necessity. it's a crude way of trying to make the playing field a little more level.
Well damn. I finally disagree with you, lolol. I think AA is a joke. What makes the playing field level is having qualified people in each spot available to make a company operate at it's full potential. If it is all whites that do it and none of the other races qualified, then so be it. Same if the situation is reversed. Later, QD.Originally Posted by ahmonrah
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I wanna to disagree with you.... but I can't.
If this affirmative action thing keeps going then what next? ramps for people in wheel chairs
I'm for affirmative action. I wish there was no need for it, but that's just how America is. Affirmative action is there to not even the playing (cuz we all know thats never going to happen), but to DIVERSIFY. If a company is ran by all whites, blacks, asians, or ..... how can you market your product to other races and ethnics? Most ethnics tend to stay together and we all know we communicate among ourselves differently. So this could and would benefit the company with ideas coming from different point of views.
Next, if a company is all one race, I see that as promoting racism (why can't a black man or asian work along side of you? what they not good enough). I don't care what type of job it is, but there's going to be many different races qualified for that position. So you can diversify any field (if the head people want to)!
I hate this "I didn't get the job or get in my school because of affirmative action" thing. How do you know that you are more qualified than the next person? More degrees or a degree from a better university does not make you more qualifed? If that person is in consideration then they must be atleast "somewhat" qualifed. That other person might have more hands on experience, might be a better communicator, or shows signs of leadership. That's what's the work force and universities are looking for now days!
I just wish everyone was treated equal and have the same opportunities and affirmative action was just a slight step toward that. But, this is just my opinion thats all.
I don't understand why someone would want to work at a place just because the Co. had to hire you not b/c they wanted to. if a Co. doesn't want to hire me b/c of my race than fuck em'! I'm probally better off without them.
Affirmative Action is just more evidence that it is ok to discrimnitate against some.
Does anyone think the reverse would be acceptable, lets say in Japan? No of course not.
if I had a business I would want to hire the "most qualfied" person that I think would help me make the most $$$ even if he/she is Canadian.
valid point for business. but not in medicine or law
i dont know about you but i would like the best quallified to get the spot in school they should go by scores only not on a quota. if someguy can weld better than me let him have the job. but if they are giving him the job because he is a certain race, well that is just wrong.
I agree with ya, but I believe the main point is opportunity! It's kinda like a chain reaction. If you stayed in the hood, chances are your parents lived in the hood and so on. That's already putting you at a disadvantage. Why? Because your school district is one of the worse in the city. What that = worst SAT's and ACT's scores, making you automatically under qualified. Making minorities fall further and further behind. This is very unfair to start out with. It's like starting a race already 20 laps down, with 50 laps to go.
I agree with you on the best qualifed person should get the job or get in the school, but test scores are not the only factor! Back in high school (if you already graduated), when the SAT scores came back wasn't there a person that got a score that made you say "How the hell did he/she get that damn high?" or that other person's score that made you say "I can't believe that person made that low!" Think about it now, would you want the first or second person operate on you if both were doctors from your personal experience with them.
Lastly, now days most jobs train on the site. A good example, is my past summer internship I worked (and still work for) USGS, United States Geological Survey. I was a mathematics and geology major (now I'm a mathematics and mech. engineer). There were only 3 people with degrees in geology working there. So I was like how the hell do you work in a field that you didn't even major in. It's because they are looking for other characteristics besides the "best" in that field. I know they could have hired many other geologist, but they didn't fit the description they wanted. People get hired based mostly on there work habitats, goals, communication skills, leadership skills, personality, and lastly their scores and G.P.A.. Think about it, with training anybody can basely do anything (to a certain degree). So now, even though I changed my major I got a guaranteed job when I finish my masters, because I have the characterisics they want!
Just think about it, you still have to be qualified to get the position, no matter what race. On paper you might be more qualifed, but that definitely does not make you the best candidate! I hate that people see affirmative action as just a quota.
lol ruiner would love this sentence in so many ways.
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BTW I have strong work habitats
I am currently responsible for hiring two new people into the company I work for. Never while I was interviewing did I think "Oh hell, he's asian, maybe I should hire him to sell our Wok" or "shit...he's black maybe he can sell our fryer better then the white guy over there". Talk about racist....I'm for affirmative action. I wish there was no need for it, but that's just how America is. Affirmative action is there to not even the playing (cuz we all know thats never going to happen), but to DIVERSIFY. If a company is ran by all whites, blacks, asians, or ..... how can you market your product to other races and ethnics? Most ethnics tend to stay together and we all know we communicate among ourselves differently. So this could and would benefit the company with ideas coming from different point of views.
Next, if a company is all one race, I see that as promoting racism (why can't a black man or asian work along side of you? what they not good enough). I don't care what type of job it is, but there's going to be many different races qualified for that position. So you can diversify any field (if the head people want to)!
I hate this "I didn't get the job or get in my school because of affirmative action" thing. How do you know that you are more qualified than the next person? More degrees or a degree from a better university does not make you more qualifed? If that person is in consideration then they must be atleast "somewhat" qualifed. That other person might have more hands on experience, might be a better communicator, or shows signs of leadership. That's what's the work force and universities are looking for now days!
I just wish everyone was treated equal and have the same opportunities and affirmative action was just a slight step toward that. But, this is just my opinion thats all.
Now I'm not saying that your theory wouldnt be valid for certain types of buisness's but certainly not all. I dont need a variety of races to sell a dam oven...I just need intelligent and nice people.
And if the "ethnics that stay together" as you said...wouldnt buy something from a salesmen of a different race then so be it... I'm not going to cater to the racists by hiring this multi racial mix of people just to satisfy. I'm going to hire whoever is best for the job, regardless.
no it doesnt
how does giving someone whos unqualified the position based on race make it equal?
if i went to work for a primarily black company but i didnt know shit about what i was doing but htey had to hire me to make it more "even" as you said. i believe the black person who was passed up would be pissed. its not fair, not in the least bit
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