YOU can now BLame BUSH

[JITB]

You're absolutely right, but why didn't the Governor or Mayor use those buses they PARKED up by the levees they KNEW wouldn't hold in the first place to evacuate all those people that couldn't evacuate for themselves???? The buses were parked and left, some with the keys in them (because the looters later took the ones that weren't flooded on joy rides), 2 whole days BEFORE the storm even hit which means they had a total of 4 to evacuate all those indigent people. 2 days before and the 2 days or so before the levees finally broke AFTER the storm.

Yet during those same 2 days AFTER the storm before the city was totally flooded and you could've gotten people out in those buses, they were too busy with their finger up their butt and whining about Bush come help me come help me.

The interstate leading out of the city has like 6-8 lanes across (using both north and south bound at the same time) that could have been used going one way out of the city to evacuate. They didn't even do that. If you have a mandatory evacuation out of a city, why the hell do you need an open road coming INTO the city? Leave one freaking lane to let locals come home and use the rest to get people out. In all the pictures I've seen of the evacuation days before the storm hit, all the lanes leading out are bumper-to-bumper and the opposing side is totally deserted......how's that make sense?

I guess Bush shoulda gone down there and put on a reflective vest and directed traffic himself too....... :jerkit:

Local gov't dropped the ball point blank. This wasn't a terrorist attack the White house should've known about. It was a freaking Cat 5 Hurricane that had been being watched for more than a week from the time it formed thousands of miles away to the time it hit.

Whos gonan drive the buses? Half of the city left, they had buses / flights to leave N.O. I know this b/c my cousins left by plane and car form NO. But that fri most ppl sstarted leaving, and the city soemwhat shut down, and than the great escape began. About half of the ppl who stayed said the same thing... "They told us to go to the superdome and convention center and we will be safe" Well thousand s and thousands of ppl went, and what happen? No help,, ppl starving to death by the hudreds in the USA on TV? Cmon that shit doesnt happen in the US as cocky as it sounds, but its true.

You said it yourself:

"This wasn't a terrorist attack the White house should've known about. It was a freaking Cat 5 Hurricane that had been being watched for more than a week from the time it formed thousands of miles away to the time it hit."

Everything shoudl have been ready Cat 5 hurricanes are extrme natural disasters. And Natural Disasters are handled by FEMA, which is ran by the government. The governor was pissed, b/c they kept telling him help is coming but it nve came? Think about it we were watching on TV, ppl dieng starving begging for help for 3 days. Yes they were rescuing ppl from roofs, and etc. Monday they said "troops are coming" when did the troops come thursday. If you are in control of a country, and you see on TV, that thisiis happening you should be outraged. I dont know why u say they shouldnt take the blame, i mean when bush's own cabinet has a meeting with themselves to discuss what went wrong and how bad they handled the situation, there is a problem. Why must you all insist on acting like everyone could leave. all of a sudden your asked to get up and just go, go where? youve got nothin to began with, and barely paying rent as si, and now you have to just leave? Form my family members own mouth, they were told several places to ride out the storm, Superdome - COnvention Center - Hurricane Evac Center across the river and other random safe points, and help would be there after the storm......well luckily they didnt they had the funds to get out of there and get to houston with my aunt and other family. But look what happen to the ppl who did go and wait for help.

Do you honestly think the ppl begging and pleading for help , that thought lets not leave lets stay and loot..?

im still waiting to hear what has improved or not gotten worse in the US in the last 6 years? I ask that question as a open minded unbiased person

[Jaimecbr900]

Whos gonan drive the buses? Half of the city left, they had buses / flights to leave N.O. I know this b/c my cousins left by plane and car form NO. But that fri most ppl sstarted leaving, and the city soemwhat shut down, and than the great escape began. About half of the ppl who stayed said the same thing... "They told us to go to the superdome and convention center and we will be safe" Well thousand s and thousands of ppl went, and what happen? No help,, ppl starving to death by the hudreds in the USA on TV? Cmon that shit doesnt happen in the US as cocky as it sounds, but its true.

#1 Whose buses are they? The LOCAL gov't's.
#2 Whose responsability is it to DRIVE the buses normally? The LOCAL gov't.
#3 Who SHOULD have made the decision to evacuate people they KNEW couldn't drive themselves out? The LOCAL gov't.
#4 Who had drivers enough to PUT the buses there in the first place (buses don't drive themselves to be parked)? The LOCAL gov't.
#5 FEMA only takes over AFTER LOCAL gov't ASKS them to take over. They are NOT supposed to be the primary defense system against natural disasters. If they were, then we wouldn't have LOCAL emergency management agencies in place that under NORMAL circumstances don't even call FEMA in when a tornado or other storm hits.

Everything shoudl have been ready Cat 5 hurricanes are extrme natural disasters.

You're exactly right. NEW ORLEANS should have been ready for a Cat. 5 Hurricane. THEY knew it was a possibility a Cat 5 Hurricane COULD eventually hit there. THEY knew that their system to keep water OUT of a city which is already UNDER sea level was NOT designed to hold up to a Cat.5. THEY also had atleast 2 days to evacuate people THEMSELVES which they are now blaming someone else for not doing.

And Natural Disasters are handled by FEMA, which is ran by the government.

Eventually, yes. In the beginning it is handled by the LOCAL emergency management people.

The governor was pissed, b/c they kept telling him help is coming but it nve came? Think about it we were watching on TV, ppl dieng starving begging for help for 3 days. Yes they were rescuing ppl from roofs, and etc. Monday they said "troops are coming" when did the troops come thursday. If you are in control of a country, and you see on TV, that thisiis happening you should be outraged. I dont know why u say they shouldnt take the blame, i mean when bush's own cabinet has a meeting with themselves to discuss what went wrong and how bad they handled the situation, there is a problem.

#1 It has been widely publicized and damn near confirmed by the Gov herself in an interview on National TV that President asked HER if she needed help 1 day after the storm hit, while levees were STILL holding and there wasn't widespread flooding just yet, and SHE said basically "let me get back to you".
#2 When SHE finally did get back to them, it was now a panic situation. Levees had broke, city was drowning, and now suddenly it's HIS fault for not coming a couple of days earlier. How's that work like that? He by LAW can't simply come in and take over when the LOCAL gov't in place and still under power is NOT letting him. That's how our Gov't works. If he had overruled HER and basically took over Louisiana, he would have been called a tirant. He did what the LAW in place told him he HAD to do and now suddenly he's getting blamed for not acting fast enough. The man can't win no matter what. That is the absolute description of an escape goat.

Why must you all insist on acting like everyone could leave. all of a sudden your asked to get up and just go, go where? youve got nothin to began with, and barely paying rent as si, and now you have to just leave? Form my family members own mouth, they were told several places to ride out the storm, Superdome - COnvention Center - Hurricane Evac Center across the river and other random safe points, and help would be there after the storm......well luckily they didnt they had the funds to get out of there and get to houston with my aunt and other family. But look what happen to the ppl who did go and wait for help.

The same place people are at NOW. Everywhere across the south in other states. Higher ground. Inland. Anywhere but where the water can get you.

I know it's not that easy. I know that it's impossible to evacuate 2 million people totally out of a city. I also know that they could've used quite a few resources they had readily available right then to of got many thousands of people out and avoided suffering. There are many people that couldn't fend for themselves that GOT to the Superdome. How'd they get there? The same way they got TO the Superdome, they should've been able to ride another 20 miles north out of harms way. The local gov't made a HUGE mistake in telling people to go to the Superdome and merely ride the storm out. Bush didn't tell them to go there, the Governor told them to go there. If SHE didn't have a plan for AFTER the storm, then SHE shouldn't of told them to go there.

My point is simple: I know that some people merely walked up to the Superdome AFTER the storm. Fine, I get that. But the vast majority that took refuge there didn't just walk up to the Superdome. Some couldn't even walk. How'd they get there? Why didn't they keep on trucking up the highway, while the highway was still passable, for another 50 miles inland? Why didn't the city, instead of parking the buses up near the levees they KNEW weren't gonna hold up, use their buses to drive evacuees further inland? Bush may have made a mistake or two, but the BIGGEST mistakes and the MOST mistakes were made at the LOCAL level before and after the storm hit. That's my point. The focus is being shifted to the Federal gov't now because they have the biggest spotlight.

Do you honestly think the ppl begging and pleading for help , that thought lets not leave lets stay and loot..?

No, I don't think people stayed TO loot, but I know that pictures don't lie too. Watching those same people that are one minute begging for help, while the very next minute they wade thru infested water to steal cart fulls of SHOES and Jewelry is also disheartening. I'm not cold hearted and am not going to stereotype. I have personally donated quite a bit thru my church, my business, and personally to contribute as much as I can to help the victims. But I also get upset when people take advantage of a situation too.

[JITB]

#1 Whose buses are they? The LOCAL gov't's.
#2 Whose responsability is it to DRIVE the buses normally? The LOCAL gov't.
#3 Who SHOULD have made the decision to evacuate people they KNEW couldn't drive themselves out? The LOCAL gov't.
#4 Who had drivers enough to PUT the buses there in the first place (buses don't drive themselves to be parked)? The LOCAL gov't.
#5 FEMA only takes over AFTER LOCAL gov't ASKS them to take over. They are NOT supposed to be the primary defense system against natural disasters. If they were, then we wouldn't have LOCAL emergency management agencies in place that under NORMAL circumstances don't even call FEMA in when a tornado or other storm hits.

how do u get anyone to drive when the whole city is evacuated? Since when do local emergency crew stand alone against natural disasters, especailly when there was atleast 2 weeks notice like you said yourself. There was plenty of warning like u said, everyone knew what it was gonna do, LIKE U SAID.. Sooo why couldnt FEMA get their shit together and get prepared. You expect a million plus ppl to leave a city in a weeks notice, but its too much to ask to have a little backup form the government/FEMA and help with it especially since there was a weeks notice.

You're exactly right. NEW ORLEANS should have been ready for a Cat. 5 Hurricane. THEY knew it was a possibility a Cat 5 Hurricane COULD eventually hit there. THEY knew that their system to keep water OUT of a city which is already UNDER sea level was NOT designed to hold up to a Cat.5. THEY also had atleast 2 days to evacuate people THEMSELVES which they are now blaming someone else for not doing.

Theres no blame for noone evacuating, the problem was the HELP for the ppl that couldnt evacuate and the ones that went to the dome/convention center for help..

Eventually, yes. In the beginning it is handled by the LOCAL emergency management people.

eventually? what kind of chain of caommand is that?, in the beginning it is handled by the local gov't (or it should be) you said it yourself. That the local's handle things before the gov't gets involved, and if its too much as this was it goes to the next level.

local gov't says we need help,

gov't officials says get everyone to the dome and help will get there

get to the dome whats there? nothing..

#1 It has been widely publicized and damn near confirmed by the Gov herself in an interview on National TV that President asked HER if she needed help 1 day after the storm hit, while levees were STILL holding and there wasn't widespread flooding just yet, and SHE said basically "let me get back to you".
#2 When SHE finally did get back to them, it was now a panic situation. Levees had broke, city was drowning, and now suddenly it's HIS fault for not coming a couple of days earlier. How's that work like that? He by LAW can't simply come in and take over when the LOCAL gov't in place and still under power is NOT letting him. That's how our Gov't works. If he had overruled HER and basically took over Louisiana, he would have been called a tirant. He did what the LAW in place told him he HAD to do and now suddenly he's getting blamed for not acting fast enough. The man can't win no matter what. That is the absolute description of an escape goat.

i was referring to the mayor not the goevernor. He was the one that was screaming at the preisdent etc.

The same place people are at NOW. Everywhere across the south in other states. Higher ground. Inland. Anywhere but where the water can get you.

I know it's not that easy. I know that it's impossible to evacuate 2 million people totally out of a city. I also know that they could've used quite a few resources they had readily available right then to of got many thousands of people out and avoided suffering. There are many people that couldn't fend for themselves that GOT to the Superdome. How'd they get there? The same way they got TO the Superdome, they should've been able to ride another 20 miles north out of harms way. The local gov't made a HUGE mistake in telling people to go to the Superdome and merely ride the storm out. Bush didn't tell them to go there, the Governor told them to go there. If SHE didn't have a plan for AFTER the storm, then SHE shouldn't of told them to go there.

My point is simple: I know that some people merely walked up to the Superdome AFTER the storm. Fine, I get that. But the vast majority that took refuge there didn't just walk up to the Superdome. Some couldn't even walk. How'd they get there? Why didn't they keep on trucking up the highway, while the highway was still passable, for another 50 miles inland? Why didn't the city, instead of parking the buses up near the levees they KNEW weren't gonna hold up, use their buses to drive evacuees further inland? Bush may have made a mistake or two, but the BIGGEST mistakes and the MOST mistakes were made at the LOCAL level before and after the storm hit. That's my point. The focus is being shifted to the Federal gov't now because they have the biggest spotlight.

you say u know how soem ppl cant get around, but u say that they oculd have just went 20 more miles north.. im confised? Superdome isnt far its almos walking distance form everywhere in Uptown - downtown NO. The ppl that drove to the dome, got ther and left... but alot got trappd b/c there was no power and no gas. the police didnt even have any gas to get around, they were taking vehicles form citizens to get around. The focus is being focused on govt b/c you take control of situations and when people look up to you for answers, and u have noone why are u here?

No, I don't think people stayed TO loot, but I know that pictures don't lie too. Watching those same people that are one minute begging for help, while the very next minute they wade thru infested water to steal cart fulls of SHOES and Jewelry is also disheartening. I'm not cold hearted and am not going to stereotype. I have personally donated quite a bit thru my church, my business, and personally to contribute as much as I can to help the victims. But I also get upset when people take advantage of a situation too.

you cant class the fools who take useless items, with the ones that were beggin or food. Those are a whole different type of idiots. Saying somthing like "they should have left instead of looting" is just as ignorant as anything.

[Jaimecbr900]

how do u get anyone to drive when the whole city is evacuated? Since when do local emergency crew stand alone against natural disasters, especailly when there was atleast 2 weeks notice like you said yourself. There was plenty of warning like u said, everyone knew what it was gonna do, LIKE U SAID.. Sooo why couldnt FEMA get their shit together and get prepared. You expect a million plus ppl to leave a city in a weeks notice, but its too much to ask to have a little backup form the government/FEMA and help with it especially since there was a weeks notice.

Again, they should of used the buses when there were people THERE to drive them. How'd the buses get there? Not by themselves, right? Then why couldn't you of used the time it took to coordinate the massive parking of hundreds of city buses in one place to evacuate people while you could?

FEMA is NOT responsible to get "their shit together" FIRST.....it is LOCAL emergency people that do that. Why can't yall get that thru your head yet? LEGALLY it is, period. Until they ASK for help, FEMA CAN'T give it. It's not that difficult. Why is everybody blaming FEMA and totally glossing over the people that were in charge FIRST and REFUSED help when it could've made a bigger difference????

Theres no blame for noone evacuating, the problem was the HELP for the ppl that couldnt evacuate and the ones that went to the dome/convention center for help..

Wrong. Who sent them to the Superdome? The Governor and Mayor when they went on TV and ordered a MANDATORY evacuation, yet THEY had not contingency plan in mind for when thousands of people listened yet they had NO supplies to tend to them. Why the hell send thousands of people supposedly to be safe, yet have NOTHING for them to be safe with????

eventually? what kind of chain of caommand is that?, in the beginning it is handled by the local gov't (or it should be) you said it yourself. That the local's handle things before the gov't gets involved, and if its too much as this was it goes to the next level.

local gov't says we need help,

gov't officials says get everyone to the dome and help will get there

get to the dome whats there? nothing..

Whose fault is that? If the chain is Local->FEMA, then how could FEMA be held MORE responsible than local???

If YOU send thousands of people over National TV to a place, shouldn't you have been prepared for those thousands of people? What's FEMA got to do with that? Why didn't they truck in supplies in those 2 days they had BEFORE the storm finally hit to that Superdome they already KNEW was part of the evacuation plan???

you say u know how soem ppl cant get around, but u say that they oculd have just went 20 more miles north.. im confised?

Not confusing at all.

If they can't walk but yet GOT to the Superdome somehow, how come they couldn't use the same method to keep going on further inland? They didn't teleport there did they? They didn't spontaneously appear at the dome did they?

The focus is being focused on govt b/c you take control of situations and when people look up to you for answers, and u have noone why are u here?

Let me give you an example:

A young lady gets a flat tire on the hwy. You pull over and do the chivalrous and RIGHT thing and offer to change her flat for her. She is on the cell phone and tells you, "Let me get back to you on that". You then say, "OK" and sit back down in your car. An hour later, you're tired of waiting and drive off. A car comes by and accidentally clips the back end of her car because he didn't see her stranded. A week later you get a letter in the mail from her attorney suing YOU for NOT helping her when you first pulled over and therefore it is YOUR fault she got her car smashed.

Is that fair to YOU? You TRIED to do the right thing, but got turned away. Something THEN happened and now she is trying to blame YOU for it instead of taking personal responsability and admitting SHE messed up. Right or wrong? How's that any different, except on a grander scale, to what happened in Louisiana?

you cant class the fools who take useless items, with the ones that were beggin or food. Those are a whole different type of idiots. Saying somthing like "they should have left instead of looting" is just as ignorant as anything.

Not when you consider that if they are healthy enough to wade thru infested waters to steal they are healthy enough to have gotten out of town.

You are right about stereotyping though. I just get ticked when, just like I saw during an "investigative" report type show on TV, that they interviewed idiots who were saying "we need food, we need help" only to turn literally right around and wade thru the water to steal SNEAKERS. That aint right.