Christians for Obama

[Nerdsrock22]

A new organization has come to my attention.

www.matthew25.org

This group has essentially pledged their support to Barack Obama because of his commitment to Christian ideals. While I admire their intent, I believe they are misguided. I welcome debate.

1. Show me a place where Jesus used or encouraged us to use political action for Christian service.
2. Show me how any politician could effectively do this.

Now, I am in no way questioning Obama's faith, (I find that immature and feeble-minded); but, we've seen how political moral control has failed before (for the right)...can the church really afford to go through this again?

[BanginJimmy]

I still want to see where the bible says "God Damn America".

Until I see that I will laught at any christian group that supports Obama.

[EJ25RUN]

why is it that when you are soo religious, you are soo stupid?

[Nerdsrock22]

why is it that when you are soo religious, you are soo stupid?

what is this in reference to?

[EJ25RUN]

what is this in reference to?

Not to be offensive to anyone else's faith. I was referring to this mentality certain people have that if you are of whatever religion, you have to believe some idea no matter what.

Does it take listening to the whole sermon to know this guy is a moron? What more are you looking for?

I agree

[tony]

I still want to see where the bible says "God Damn America".

Until I see that I will laught at any christian group that supports Obama.

I still want to see the real quote of the "God Damn America" sermon.

[MistaCee]

I still want to see the real quote of the "God Damn America" sermon.

x2 I have yet to see it. Have you seen it BanginJimmy?

[SLOWR/T]

I still want to see the real quote of the "God Damn America" sermon.

x2 I have yet to see it. Have you seen it BanginJimmy?

you mean this? 1:18 is the start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3LX...eature=related

[MistaCee]

you mean this? 1:18 is the start.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mk3LX...eature=related

No. Do you really think sermons are 3-4 min long?

[SLOWR/T]

No. Do you really think sermons are 3-4 min long?

Does it take listening to the whole sermon to know this guy is a moron? What more are you looking for?

[tony]

No. Do you really think sermons are 3-4 min long?

lol Rarely do I really laugh out loud to something on the computer but that one did it. If that was truly the case people would get up in the middle of sermons and walk out since the rest would be useless..

Better yet its like going to school only to hear what you want and leave rather than gaining a full understanding of what is being said.

[Nerdsrock22]

oh gotcha...I agree man.

Guys I understand the Reverend Wright thing makes us all a bit uncomfortable, but if anyone is going to make headway against Obama, its not going to be by attacking his pastor, his wife, or his church. You need to go at his policies and plans.

[BanginJimmy]

oh gotcha...I agree man.

Guys I understand the Reverend Wright thing makes us all a bit uncomfortable, but if anyone is going to make headway against Obama, its not going to be by attacking his pastor, his wife, or his church. You need to go at his policies and plans.

Like I have said MANY times. Its not JUST his Pastor, JUST his friends, JUST his political advisors. Its when you look at ALL of them that you have to start to wonder what he is really about.


On his policies, those are even easier to attack than those that he surrounds himself with. Higher taxes on oil companies mean higher prices at the pump. Blocking oil companies from drilling domesticlly means higher prices at the pump. Socialist healthcare means higher taxes to cover it. Eliminating the limit on SS taxes serves as a punishment for working hard. Doubling capital gains taxes means lower returns on your investments, this includes your Mutual Funds, IRA's and 401k's.

[EJ25RUN]

Higher taxes
higher prices at the pump.
higher taxes to cover it.
punishment for working hard. lower returns on your investments, this includes your Mutual Funds, IRA's and 401k's.

Someone that see's past the idiocy of media and knows what we are really in for with Obama

[Nerdsrock22]

Like I have said MANY times. Its not JUST his Pastor, JUST his friends, JUST his political advisors. Its when you look at ALL of them that you have to start to wonder what he is really about.


On his policies, those are even easier to attack than those that he surrounds himself with. Higher taxes on oil companies mean higher prices at the pump. Blocking oil companies from drilling domesticlly means higher prices at the pump. Socialist healthcare means higher taxes to cover it. Eliminating the limit on SS taxes serves as a punishment for working hard. Doubling capital gains taxes means lower returns on your investments, this includes your Mutual Funds, IRA's and 401k's.

well said. It scares me to think that young christians are going to vote for Obama thinking that they are helping the poor through christian service and sacrifice, but forcefully taking money from one person and redistributing it to another is not biblical or christlike. Redistribution IS Biblical (Acts 2 :44-45) but is done so through mutual agreement. When one is forced to give charity, it becomes an act done through power and force, which is of course the complete opposite of the cross. Government fundmamentally cannot act selfless because it posseses no self. What it gives it must have taken. What is sacrificed must also be stolen.

[SLOWR/T]

On his policies, those are even easier to attack than those that he surrounds himself with. Higher taxes on oil companies mean higher prices at the pump. Blocking oil companies from drilling domesticlly means higher prices at the pump. Socialist healthcare means higher taxes to cover it. Eliminating the limit on SS taxes serves as a punishment for working hard. Doubling capital gains taxes means lower returns on your investments, this includes your Mutual Funds, IRA's and 401k's.

Repped!

[Total_Blender]

Reverend Wright and Al Sharpton are no more evil than Pat Robertson and Billy Graham in my mind.

I really want a candidate who runs as an atheist.

[Nerdsrock22]

Pat Robertson maybe or whatever.

What has Billy Graham ever done wrong? Please provide examples of him being Evil.

(I would consider none of the above men evil.)

[preferredduck]

You cannot mix church and state, but it's the easiest way to SELL Votes. I watched this video recently that has made me question a lot of our candidates the last few years.
It tackles religion, WTC, and the federal reserve. Watch out for the amero, it's the proposed currency for the north american union.the stock market is now able to get emergency loans from the FED, when those loans are called in the market crashes. that is what happened in the 20's 30's.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...83847743189197
Movie, zeitgeist

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T74VA3xU0EA
north american union

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hiPrsc9g98
amero vid

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080627/fed_credit_crisis.html
wallstreet loan article

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/080627/wall_street.html
article, markets in the poopshoot.