The REAL Barack Obama. The one the media NEVER shows!

[Vteckidd]

you are right about that your not open minded enough, that kind of talk goes on at some point in all black churches, african americans of that age still hold a little grudge against whites because they grew up in the civil rights era. Time do heal wounds but it doesn't cover up the scar.

Im sorry the biggest racists around are black people. Wright , Jesse Jackson, SHarpton, i could go on. The only people propagating racism is wealthy well to do BLACK leaders an they use it to INSTILL FEAR in the mostly ignorant american poplace.

[josh green]

Im sorry the biggest racists around are black people. Wright , Jesse Jackson, SHarpton, i could go on. The only people propagating racism is wealthy well to do BLACK leaders an they use it to INSTILL FEAR in the mostly ignorant american poplace.

You got some balls on you white man.

[jew_boy]

you are right about that your not open minded enough, that kind of talk goes on at some point in all black churches, african americans of that age still hold a little grudge against whites because they grew up in the civil rights era. Time do heal wounds but it doesn't cover up the scar.

ok but there are white ppl that also marched with the black comminuty and supported them. there are also a good amount of white people that got killed for supporting or hanging out with african americans but do they ever take that into consideration.... i believe not

[Vteckidd]

muslim's HATE AMERICANS, they are the main "haters"

Correction, there are CERTAIN muslims who HATE American, just like there are Christians, Catholics,etc that prob share the same sentiment.

I Mean look at Unibomer, Mcveigh, etc. They were anglo-saxon and Mcveigh was christian.

Youre generalizing too much. I know alot of Muslims that arent going to go stap a bomb to their chest or go enlist in Al Qaeda tomorrow.

There are factions of their religion ust like there are factions of other religions.

Look at Billy Graham and Rev. Wright from OBamas camp. 2 TOTALLY DIFFERENT preachers, same religion. Yet you cant say ALL CHRISTIAN PREACHERS HATE AMERICA like wright says.

Same with the Muslim Religion. IIRC Kabir and Shawn are Muslim, theyve welcomed me into their home (to sell parts to me lol) and they are cool peeps. I dont see them as often as i used to, but they are cool people. They arent terrorists lol. I dont think ive ever heard any kind of Anti American sentiment out of them. So we cant judge people like you are.

The anti-christ will come from within...and be of muslim descent. I aint religous and don't pay attention to end time prophecies but that **** is close enough. If obama wasn't of muslim descent and didn't have muslim names, id think about his input.

Ehhh, depends which bible you read lol. I dont belive in the anti-Christ , i think Man Kind will ultimately be its own "anti-christ" but thats well out of our lifetime.

[Vteckidd]

You got some balls on you white man.

Well its true, its not about Equality anymore , its about Special Privledges.

Not all black people are like that, im saying most of the people that scream about racism, are people that use it as a form of fear, control, and power.

[MistaCee]

Kidd does sound close minded. I mean didn't Jesse Jackson run? He black and I remember that going nowhere. Also this is the first that I am hearing that McCain is leading.

[josh green]

Well its true, its not about Equality anymore , its about Special Privledges.

Not all black people are like that, im saying most of the people that scream about racism, are people that use it as a form of fear, control, and power.

From your statement, to me it appears that those people are only using it to manipulate people into their favor. Who knew you could use racism as a sales/pitch tactic.

From what I have seen, remember now, what I have seen. IE, me in my spare time. McCain isnt the only one making a complete fool of himself. He isnt all over the news with issues of instability. If I do vote it will be for McCain, but I do not fancy any candidates running. I may just write in Steven Colbert.

[MistaCee]

Im sorry the biggest racists around are black people. Wright , Jesse Jackson, SHarpton, i could go on. The only people propagating racism is wealthy well to do BLACK leaders an they use it to INSTILL FEAR in the mostly ignorant american poplace.

Lol I find that funny. Only people who propagand racism are wealthy black leaders.

[Spektrewing386]

i see this thread exceding 5 pages within 10 hours

[Blitanicle99]

What makes a person who is racist against Muslims better than a person whos racist against Jews, Blacks, and Hispanics?

Nothing.

WAIT A F***ING MINUTE THERE BUDDY.

Theres a huge difference. In the jewish faith, does it tell the jewish community to kill anyone non jewish? NO. In any black holiday or religious term (not that blacks are a religious group) does it say to kill anyone that is not black? NO.

And what does it say in the Koran? KILL ANYONE NON MUSLIM.

I HAVE A BIGGGG PROBLEM WITH THAT **** RIGHT THERE.

Thats where the difference is buddy.

[Vteckidd]

Lol I find that funny. Only people who propagand racism are wealthy black leaders.

Absolutely.

Jesse Jackson an his RAINBOW Coalition

Sharpton

Now Obama.

Most of them got to power by building upon racist talk and instilling fear in their constiuents

Look at the most RACIST organizations in the country. NAACP?

Come on wake up.

Close minded? Me? no im just educated.

Mccain vs Obama recent polls show mccain up+3.

[josh green]

i see this thread exceding 5 pages within 10 hours

It honestly doesnt matter, my mind is made up. There is NOTHING anyone can say to change my ballot. Close minded or not, I'm sure someone will try to enlighten with their liberal aura.

Next thing you know someone will want to take my guns away and make me pay for someone elses bad health....

As for the comment about Jews, I have been to Temple more than 1 occasion and the Rabbi speak of love in every sermon. They have SEVERAL prayers Blessing their children, life, Some the Messiah, etc... Jews are taught to focus on LOVE and not hatred.

[jew_boy]

Next thing you know someone will want to take my guns away and make me pay for someone elses bad health....

thats exactly why you should vote republican

[Vteckidd]

From your statement, to me it appears that those people are only using it to manipulate people into their favor. Who knew you could use racism as a sales/pitch tactic.

Well SHarpton, Rev Wright, Jackson, NAACP, did it.

Obama used it to get his powerbase.

+1 sir

[josh green]

Well SHarpton, Rev Wright, Jackson, NAACP, did it.

Obama used it to get his powerbase.

+1 sir

Thats pretty f*cking twisted if you ask me.

LOL 13 viewing, im sure some are lurking as well.
time for bed.

[Vteckidd]

Its just sad to see all these people say OBAMA yet hey have NO CLUE what he stands for, what his record is, and why he deserves to be in the white house.

I mean the guy is a NOOB. But the attitude of "ANYONE BUT BUSH" has gotten him to where he is today.

The idiots of my generation who want "hope an change" and the black population are the only ones that identify with Obama.

ANyone that says they want him in office, please, look at his record.

He has a 20 YEAR RELATIONSHIP with a HUGE RACIST (REV WRIGHT) and he has supported wright until it did him political damage.

He has NO RECORD to be president.

He has NO MILITARY Service.

No great deeds in the Legislature.

He and his wife have said some crazy things about this country.

If you really think its going to be a BETTER place with him in power, god help us all.

[TIGERJC]

Im sorry the biggest racists around are black people. Wright , Jesse Jackson, SHarpton, i could go on. The only people propagating racism is wealthy well to do BLACK leaders an they use it to INSTILL FEAR in the mostly ignorant american poplace.

FU.CKING idiot to believe that

[blacknightteg]

WAIT A F***ING MINUTE THERE BUDDY.

Theres a huge difference. In the jewish faith, does it tell the jewish community to kill anyone non jewish? NO. In any black holiday or religious term (not that blacks are a religious group) does it say to kill anyone that is not black? NO.

And what does it say in the Koran? KILL ANYONE NON MUSLIM.

I HAVE A BIGGGG PROBLEM WITH THAT **** RIGHT THERE.

Thats where the difference is buddy.

no where in the islamic faith does it tell muslims to kill anyone who is not a muslim. im sorry but your are WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY false

in the islamic faith it asks muslims to only engage in battle if there is need for defense. Muslims are never supposed to attack anyone unless provoked.

[Vteckidd]

FU.CKING idiot to believe that

You are crazy if you dont. I already presented my argument, try to come up with something better than that retort please.

Name calling just shows your ignorance

[TIGERJC]

You are crazy if you dont. I already presented my argument, try to come up with something better than that retort please.

Name calling just shows your ignorance

then give facts to back up your statement, I really want to know how your simple ass came up with that conclusion that blacks are the biggest racist

[MistaCee]

You are crazy if you dont. I already presented my argument, try to come up with something better than that retort please.

Name calling just shows your ignorance

How is it installing fear? The fear is already there. It has been proven that police officers shoot at black suspects quicker than they do white. I mean if you don't think there is a problem there than you are crazy.

[MistaCee]

How is it installing fear? The fear is already there. It has been proven that police officers shoot at black suspects quicker than they do white. I mean if you don't think there is a problem there than you are crazy.

On that note I am not saying that there arn't any rasict blacks out there.. But the allegations that Mr. Kidd is putting out are way off IMO.

[bigdare23]

Every race is racist. Non-whites "racist" use racism as a defense mechanism (most of the time it's due to fear...getting robbed, loosing land, revenge for the past), while whites are racist because they believe they are superior (white racist can't give reasons behind their hate most of the time). Just my opinion tho.

[Spektrewing386]

WAIT A F***ING MINUTE THERE BUDDY.

Theres a huge difference. In the jewish faith, does it tell the jewish community to kill anyone non jewish? NO. In any black holiday or religious term (not that blacks are a religious group) does it say to kill anyone that is not black? NO.

And what does it say in the Koran? KILL ANYONE NON MUSLIM.

I HAVE A BIGGGG PROBLEM WITH THAT **** RIGHT THERE.

Thats where the difference is buddy.

Its a whole interpretation theory. It is all about how you interpret it. And in some ways, there is exactly that kind of stuff in the Bible.

In John 2:22 is says "Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son."

So basically in the Bible it says anyone who isn't Christian is the Anti-Christ. I guess there are other ways to interpret that, sorta the same thing is happening in the Quran.

I am not an expert, but the controversial 6th Pillar of Islam is I believe what you are refering to. There are many ways to interpret the word jihad. For many, it is a struggle to better yourself within. For others, it describes war against people only who oppress and fight you, as in self defense. Others view it as expansion of Islam through words. Others view it as struggle with non-believers. That could mean non-muslims, or it could mean non-believers... as in NOT christians and jews, because they are 'believers'. It also describes that you shouldnt use violence agaisnt women, children, non-combatants, POWs... ect.

So when people go to other countries to blow up innocent people, they are actually taking a very retarded fundementalist view of a few lines of text.


As I understand, the Quran was written during a time when the pagan Meccans were continously harassing the newly formed group of Muslims and oppressing them. So the whole internal/external stuggle of 'jihad' may have had a different meaning back then.

[Vteckidd]

How is it installing fear? The fear is already there. It has been proven that police officers shoot at black suspects quicker than they do white. I mean if you don't think there is a problem there than you are crazy.

LOL

Why is it that 2/3 of the INCARCERATED POPULATION is BLACK?

Is it because whites are so racist? or is it because MORE OF THEM COMMIT CRIMES?

At current levels of incarceration newborn black males in this country have a greater than a 1 in 4 chance of going to prison during their lifetime or more than 25%!

Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 28% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 16% of Hispanic males and 4.4% of white males.

Of persons convicted of drug trafficking in State courts in 1990--85% were male 42% were white, 57% black, and 1% of other races

since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons
incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in
that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses.

I know some people might think that African Americans are arrested so often
for drug offenses because police officers target drug dealers and most blacks
fit that profile. If that is indeed the case, why did an analysis by the
Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles find that 77% of the offenses
leading to the first conviction and 79% of the offenses leading to a second
drug conviction involved less than one gram of a controlled substance. In
addition, that same study found that 60% of the cases involved drug values of
less than $50. I'm sure Georgia isn't the only state in which such statistics
hold true.

To TigerJC

I find it funny how Jackson is down with the Jenna6, but when a WHITE PERSON gets beaten to death by BLACK GANGs, he is nowhere to be found.

How many times has Jesse gone to the aid of a WHITE PERSON? I Mean hell he judged and convicted the Duke Lacrosse team before they even went to trial all because the stripper was BLACK. if it was a WHITE stripre he never ould have even touched the topic. He offered to pay that Strippers college tuitin, i wonder if he still is holding to that after she admitted lieing.

SHarpton, please, just search his name.

Obama has gotten his POWER from a bunch of RACIST black leaders in inner city CHICAGO. That is FACT my friend.

NAACP doesnt want EQUALITY, it wants SPECIAL PRIVLEDGES.

[TIGERJC]

To TigerJC

I find it funny how Jackson is down with the Jenna6, but when a WHITE PERSON gets beaten to death by BLACK GANGs, he is nowhere to be found.

How many times has Jesse gone to the aid of a WHITE PERSON? I Mean hell he judged and convicted the Duke Lacrosse team before they even went to trial all because the stripper was BLACK. if it was a WHITE stripre he never ould have even touched the topic. He offered to pay that Strippers college tuitin, i wonder if he still is holding to that after she admitted lieing.

SHarpton, please, just search his name.

Obama has gotten his POWER from a bunch of RACIST black leaders in inner city CHICAGO. That is FACT my friend.

NAACP doesnt want EQUALITY, it wants SPECIAL PRIVLEDGES.

This is not about them, this is about you grouping all blacks and claiming that the black race is the most racist race of ppl in america. The black community hasn't had any real leaders for the past 20+ years, they are just like politicians, they only care about themselves. I can bet money that the black community is more accepting of different cultures, sexual and religion preferences than any other race.

[Vteckidd]

Then you cant READ.

My comments were on context to party and political leaders, not generalizing a race an its people.

I wont say that the BLACK RACE is the most racist, but the black leaders are the most racist in the country, hands down. That was my point.

Come on man keep up

[MistaCee]

LOL

Why is it that 2/3 of the INCARCERATED POPULATION is BLACK?

Is it because whites are so racist? or is it because MORE OF THEM COMMIT CRIMES?

At current levels of incarceration newborn black males in this country have a greater than a 1 in 4 chance of going to prison during their lifetime or more than 25%!

Based on current rates of first incarceration, an estimated 28% of black males will enter State or Federal prison during their lifetime, compared to 16% of Hispanic males and 4.4% of white males.

Of persons convicted of drug trafficking in State courts in 1990--85% were male 42% were white, 57% black, and 1% of other races

since 1990, African Americans have accounted for more than 75% of persons
incarcerated for drug offenses in Georgia and make up 97.7% of the people in
that state who are given life sentences for drug offenses.

I know some people might think that African Americans are arrested so often
for drug offenses because police officers target drug dealers and most blacks
fit that profile. If that is indeed the case, why did an analysis by the
Georgia State Board of Pardons and Paroles find that 77% of the offenses
leading to the first conviction and 79% of the offenses leading to a second
drug conviction involved less than one gram of a controlled substance. In
addition, that same study found that 60% of the cases involved drug values of
less than $50. I'm sure Georgia isn't the only state in which such statistics
hold true.

Exactly so at the same time look at the poverty population of blacks. Higher poverty amount= Higher trafficking . If you were as smart as you said you was I would think you'd put that together.

[TIGERJC]

Im sorry the biggest racists around are black people.

Sounds like a generalization to me and I don't see anything about the leaders being the racist ones in that sentence and again these ppl are not black leaders. I don't remember every voting for jesse or al or anyone else to be my leader.

[Vteckidd]

Exactly so at the same time look at the poverty population of blacks. Higher poverty amount= Higher trafficking . If you were as smart as you said you was I would think you'd put that together.

Wait your arguement was that cops were RACIST towards blacks. That blacks had a right to have fear because white people (cops) were more likely to shoot at BLACK suspects.

I just proved that its not RACISM, yet its cold hard FACT that blacks are more criminals than whites. So the RACIST cops, arent racist, they are just going by statistics.

Thats calling a spade a spade not sugarcoating it.

[MistaCee]

Can I also say that it is a proven fact that Blacks and Hispanics are given more time than Whites are? Also while Whites make up the majority of the population they are still searched far less than Blacks and Hispanics.

[Vteckidd]

Sounds like a generalization to me and I don't see anything about the leaders being the racist ones in that sentence and again these ppl are not black leaders. I don't remember every voting for jesse or al or anyone else to be my leader.

HAHA so you only pick out what you want to HEAR

i said

Im sorry the biggest racists around are black people. Wright , Jesse Jackson, SHarpton, i could go on. The only people propagating racism is wealthy well to do BLACK leaders an they use it to INSTILL FEAR in the mostly ignorant american poplace.

I mean even Mista Cee saw mypoint
Originally Posted by MistaCee

Lol I find that funny. Only people who propagand racism are wealthy black leaders.

If you read my previous and post posts(redundant) you saw i was speaking on POLITICAL leaders.

Come on Tiger, quit trying to pick a fight over something out of context. instead lease present your arguement.

Im sorry but Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, and Obama i would consider black POLITICAL LEADERS whether you voted for them or not.

[jew_boy]

there are some racist cops but i think the main think Mr.KIDD is trying to say that racism is a big factor in black politics

[bigdare23]

Also, minorities tend to be targeted more than whites (I droved down tara blvd. one night around 2am and was amazed by the amount of cops that where out).

[Vteckidd]

Can I also say that it is a proven fact that Blacks and Hispanics are given more time than Whites are? Also while Whites make up the majority of the population they are still searched far less than Blacks and Hispanics.

Provide facts please.

Of course Blacks and Hispanics do more time, THEY DO MORE CRIME!@

DUH

Whites are searched far less? BECAUSE BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIME DUH!

I mean what you are saying is like saying "Whites play in winter sports more than blacks".

DUH, last time i checked Canada an Europe didnt have a big BLACK population.

Thats like saying Blacks play in the NBA more than Whites.

NO ****!

WHites have more education than blacks. is that racist? im sure to you it is, but in reality, well, its true. But im sure you will say it because blacks dont have the same opportunity as whites.

Well then we created affirmative action. Equal Opportunity Hiring. But no, thats not good enough either.

Look, most BLACK politicians, WHICH IS WHAT THIS THREAD WAS ABOUT, or BLACK LEADERs, use FEAR as a tool of gaining constituents.

That is my point.

[Vteckidd]

Also, minorities tend to be targeted more than whites (I droved down tara blvd. one night around 2am and was amazed by the amount of cops that where out).

oF COURSE THEY ARE THEY COMMIT MORE CRIMES!

They are targeted more because they DO MORE CRIME !!!!!!!

I didnt make those statistics up, thats US GOVERNEMENT AND STATE FUNDED CRIME STATISTICS, some done by INDEPENDANT AGENCIES.

[MistaCee]

I mean even Mista Cee saw mypoint

I never saw your point buddy. Hence the( ) at the end of the statement.

[MistaCee]

Provide facts please.

Of course Blacks and Hispanics do more time, THEY DO MORE CRIME!@

Lol so you kind of just agreed with the dicrimination thing. Because the person is black or hispanic he should naturally spend more time in jail?

[MistaCee]

Oh and I like the way how you blew off the greater poverty numbers being the cause of blacks having a higher crime rate.

[MistaCee]

W/e though can't believe I got myself tied up into this Black vs White thing. In the end I could care less what you think really.. Your not going to change my views on things as well as I. So might as well end this discussion. I'm hitting the bed got more important things to do tommorow.