Thinking of starting a new project, what engine should I use?

[Ludester]

OK heres a HINT of INFO:

My CRX had a 187whp GSR motor in it:
PR3 pistons
Stock Rods
Rocket Motorsport M22X cams
ANR header

My CRX Weighed 2172 WITHOUT ME IN IT, so i weigh 200lbs. thats almost 2400lbs.

ON STREET TIRES (kuhmo HP4 passenger tires) i ran 13.8@103mph with a 2.0 60ft

ACCORDM3 has 227whp H22, with H22 Trans. ON SLICKS AND DRAG RADIALS he is running 13.4-13.8s trapping 103mph. His car prob weighs a good 100lbs less than my old CRX.

so i made 40whp less, 30TQ less with a heavier car an trapped the same speed. what does that tell you? he needs a better geared tranny an i guarantee he would be deep in the 13s if not high 12s, with 107-108 trap

but it still falls back on what tranny they were using (speaking of the guys with h22's that your referring to above).
I can almost garauntee you most people with a h22 swap have a forth gen vtec tranny. Which I do agree with you they are shit for n/a. H has way better trannies out there. Like i posted above eariler I'll try drive my car to MS in a couple of weeks and you can look at a t2W4 tranny.

You also have to factory driving skills. No saying that the guys with the h22's can't drive and your better driver out of all of them. Not to mention I doubt these times you posted all things were equal. Same day/temp/track/driver fatigue/ etc.. etc...


All I asked was for you to post up a gear of the gzzr tranny and would post one of the better trannies for the H so we could compare...

T.E.L.

[Vteckidd]

Trans Code T2T4
1: 3.285
2: 1.956
3: 1.344
4: 1.034
5: 0.787
Final Drive 4.266

GSR Tranny
1: 3.230
2: 1.900
3: 1.360
4: 1.034
5: 0.787
Final Drive 4.4

B16 Tranny
1: 3.307
2: 2.105
3: 1.458
4: 1.107
5: 0.848
Final Drive 4.4

T2T4 is a decent geared tranny, but still has a 4.2 FD and a longer 3rd gear vs the GSR. B16 tranny destroys the F20B trans everywhere.

Now, FIND ME A F20B SIR ACCORD TRANNY, find me a place i can buy one tomrrow. Cause i can make a phone call and get 10 /B16GSR trannys if i need to.

Advantage, GSR/B16

[Ludester]

Trans Code T2T4
1: 3.285
2: 1.956
3: 1.344
4: 1.034
5: 0.787
Final Drive 4.266

GSR Tranny
1: 3.230
2: 1.900
3: 1.360
4: 1.034
5: 0.787
Final Drive 4.4

B16 Tranny
1: 3.307
2: 2.105
3: 1.458
4: 1.107
5: 0.848
Final Drive 4.4

T2T4 is a decent geared tranny, but still has a 4.2 FD and a longer 3rd gear vs the GSR. B16 tranny destroys the F20B trans everywhere.

Now, FIND ME A F20B SIR ACCORD TRANNY, find me a place i can buy one tomrrow. Cause i can make a phone call and get 10 /B16GSR trannys if i need to.

Advantage, GSR/B16

I'm at work on my pocket pc. as soon as I get home ill post up a couple of trannies to compare.


damn dude was that hard?

[Ludester]

GSR Tranny[/B]
1: 3.230
2: 1.900
3: 1.360
4: 1.034
5: 0.787
Final Drive 4.4

B16 Tranny
1: 3.307
2: 2.105
3: 1.458
4: 1.107
5: 0.848
Final Drive 4.4

the t2t4 is the accord sir tranny ...

The gsr and the t2t4 tranny are amost identical. first longer on the accord. second longer on the gsr. Third longer on the accord. forth and fifth are identical. that's interesting... So even with a t2t4 having a stronger first and third you still say advantage gsr? ok....

If I was to build a n/a h I would use this tranny below. Long first quick second. Strong third and forth with a good fifth. But I'm not building a n/a h. At least not in the near future...
U2Q7
1: 3.285
2: 2.090
3: 1.481
4: 1.071
5: 0.870
final drive 4.266

I can see the gsr give chase in third but forth is still quick on the u2q7.

Good job mike but I beg to differ so for on YOUR opinion .

Type R gearing please?

[Black R]

the t2t4 is the accord sir tranny ...

The gsr and the t2t4 tranny are amost identical. first longer on the accord. second longer on the gsr. Third longer on the accord. forth and fifth are identical. that's interesting... So even with a t2t4 having a stronger first and third you still say advantage gsr? ok....

If I was to build a n/a h I would use this tranny below. Long first quick second. Strong third and forth with a good fifth. But I'm not building a n/a h. At least not in the near future...
U2Q7
1: 3.285
2: 2.090
3: 1.481
4: 1.071
5: 0.870
final drive 4.266

I can see the gsr give chase in third but forth is still quick on the u2q7.

Good job mike but I beg to differ so for on YOUR opinion .

Type R gearing please?

GSR Tranny
1: 3.230
2: 1.900
3: 1.360
4: 1.034
5: 0.787
Final Drive 4.4

BUT here's the killer.....

USDM ITR TRANNY:
1: 3.230
2: 2.105
3: 1.458
4: 1.107
5: 0.848
Final Drive 4.4

OR

JDM ITR TRANNY:
1: 3.230
2: 2.105
3: 1.458
4: 1.034
5: 0.787
Final Drive 4.785


And of course, the most popular upgrade is a usdm itr tranny with 4.9 final drive:
1: 3.230
2: 2.105
3: 1.458
4: 1.107
5: 0.848
Final Drive 4.929


There are so many affordable bseries gearing options out there now... you can buy the jdm 4.7 final for pretty cheap... and many companies have a 4.9 and gearsets - many of them forged. Check out GearX, MFactory, SRR, or ATS, CUSCO, etc..... :thumbup: