To make 200whp+.... what's required?

[teh_mugen18]

Now, some Honda all-motor engines obviously can make 200whp or more, but they in general are not 1.8L's.. I've only heard of one 1.8L all-motor engine making over 200whp and it revved to 9000+ rpms. Now, for Bseries 2.0 blocks, they obviously cannot really handle revving to 9000rpms reliably, so since they don't rev quite as high, and Hondas generally make most of their power through high rpm running, what type of combination should/would be thrown together in order to make a B series engine keep its revs around 8k, and make 200whp+? I've been thinking about this for a while, but I know that there's no guarantees on how much power an engine will make, but no less than 200whp is the goal for my next build, all-motor and I'm not sure what combination would do it.... other than a 12:1CR and a 2.0L block.

[speedminded]

Now, some Honda all-motor engines obviously can make 200whp or more, but they in general are not 1.8L's.. I've only heard of one 1.8L all-motor engine making over 200whp and it revved to 9000+ rpms. Now, for Bseries 2.0 blocks, they obviously cannot really handle revving to 9000rpms reliably, so since they don't rev quite as high, and Hondas generally make most of their power through high rpm running, what type of combination should/would be thrown together in order to make a B series engine keep its revs around 8k, and make 200whp+? I've been thinking about this for a while, but I know that there's no guarantees on how much power an engine will make, but no less than 200whp is the goal for my next build, all-motor and I'm not sure what combination would do it.... other than a 12:1CR and a 2.0L block.

You can make over 200whp with a 1.8L at under 9k RPM's.

[jdm eg99]

not true my brothers b20 vtec "b16 head not gsr" is making 196 whp @ 7800 rpm with bolt ons hitec header s2main gsr tb tuned on chrome data. his stock fuel pump cant push any more ,and the injectors are maxed out once new injectors n 255 fp. 200 + whp. if you want an easy 200+ go with a k.

[Jdm94Coupe]

not true my brothers b20 vtec "b16 head not gsr" is making 196 whp @ 7800 rpm with bolt ons hitec header s2main gsr tb tuned on chrome data. his stock fuel pump cant push any more ,and the injectors are maxed out once new injectors n 255 fp. 200 + whp. if you want an easy 200+ go with a k.

if you want a easy 200+ DO NOT GO WITH A K. For the $ you could've built 2 motors making 200whp

[blown_ss]

Now, some Honda all-motor engines obviously can make 200whp or more, but they in general are not 1.8L's.. I've only heard of one 1.8L all-motor engine making over 200whp and it revved to 9000+ rpms. Now, for Bseries 2.0 blocks, they obviously cannot really handle revving to 9000rpms reliably, so since they don't rev quite as high, and Hondas generally make most of their power through high rpm running, what type of combination should/would be thrown together in order to make a B series engine keep its revs around 8k, and make 200whp+? I've been thinking about this for a while, but I know that there's no guarantees on how much power an engine will make, but no less than 200whp is the goal for my next build, all-motor and I'm not sure what combination would do it.... other than a 12:1CR and a 2.0L block.

there are more then this on this website alone. hell vteckidd did it with a stockish b18c5 and didnt take it to 9k.

[NOCLUE]

GOOD THREAD

[jdm eg99]

if you want a easy 200+ DO NOT GO WITH A K. For the $ you could've built 2 motors making 200whp

very true

[jdm_crx_man]

if you want a easy 200+ DO NOT GO WITH A K. For the $ you could've built 2 motors making 200whp

k20 swaps are not that expensive....you just go to budget properly

[Got Milk?]

if you want a easy 200+ DO NOT GO WITH A K. For the $ you could've built 2 motors making 200whp

But, Quality over Quantity. Unless we talking about, well yeah.

[EmminoDaGreat]

turbo! /thread

[Jdm94Coupe]

k20 swaps are not that expensive....you just go to budget properly

YES they are, no matter how u cut it, right now they arent worth it. why spend $10k or even close to it to still barely break into the 12's if you're lucky.

But, Quality over Quantity. Unless we talking about, well yeah.

I was simply stating the fact that with all that money you could have a WAY better setup than a k series, what makes them more reliable then my d series? and im making way more then u gonna get with a n/a k series.....

turbo! /thread

turbo FTW

[PhantomGoat]

I would say b20 vtec or poor mans type r. thats just my opinion. I got a b20 vtec making around 220 whp. I drive it every day get around 27 mpg and have no issues.

K series is cool if ya got the money!

Just my

[JVP]

HEY BRO H22A TURBO MAKE AROUND 250 HP !!!

[Starrfire]

^^^that is horrible power

[S13_Chody]

^^^^ TRUE DAT!

[Da_unknown]

i made 202whp 136ft on a 1.8L..

[Jdm94Coupe]

I would say b20 vtec or poor mans type r. thats just my opinion. I got a b20 vtec making around 220 whp. I drive it every day get around 27 mpg and have no issues.

K series is cool if ya got the money!

Just my

k is no longer cool, lol

HEY BRO H22A TURBO MAKE AROUND 250 HP !!!

i made over 250whp and 190 wtq in a SOHC on 12psi.....

^^^that is horrible power

agreed

^^^^ TRUE DAT!

x3

i made 202whp 136ft on a 1.8L..

exactly! no need 4 k series for 200whp.... if u want way more do k and build it

[SUBY_RUE]

If you search for used parts and fab a couple yourself, a k build will run around 6k and 209ish whp.... Ive owned three of them, trust me... I have also owned b series motors, and would say. Stick with the b series, They are soooo much easier to work on and have great potential. 200whp insnt asking to much out of a b18c with a built bottom topped with some cams and a good tune. Look into a vtec motor though, a ls is good only if boosted imo lol... But thats just me

[112480]

if you want a easy 200+ DO NOT GO WITH A K. For the $ you could've built 2 motors making 200whp

OH HELL NO! THIS IS NOT TRUE!! I'm doing a FULLY BUILT k20/k24 and it hasnt cost NO WHERE NEAR $10K!!!

[112480]

there are more then this on this website alone. hell vteckidd did it with a stockish b18c5 and didnt take it to 9k.

Yea u right he didnt take it to 9k, HE TOOK IT TO 9500RPMS!!

[BABY J]

LOL at some of the stuff in this thread.

[112480]

k20 swaps are not that expensive....you just go to budget properly

THANK YOU! I dont know who the hell told these guys its still expensive. If u RESEARCH USED/NEW parts on k websites and others u can build a k20/k24 combo for cheaper than a new b18c5 swap!! Now if u trying to get EVERTHING NEW K, THEN! ITS PRICEY.

[112480]

If you search for used parts and fab a couple yourself, a k build will run around 6k and 209ish whp....

Actually u can do it for around $4-6k and get 215-225whp k20/24 with i/h/e and k-pro.

[112480]

turbo! /thread

As long as its NOT A F22 TURBO!

[EG_Ryder]

you can buy a complete k24 swap on hmotors for about 4k...or just the block with Intake and exhuast manifold,injectors,engine harness for only 2k...and its not that much to build actually

[112480]

you can buy a complete k24 swap on hmotors for about 4k...or just the block with Intake and exhuast manifold,injectors,engine harness for only 2k...and its not that much to build actually

[Jdm94Coupe]

THANK YOU! I dont know who the hell told these guys its still expensive. If u RESEARCH USED/NEW parts on k websites and others u can build a k20/k24 combo for cheaper than a new b18c5 swap!! Now if u trying to get EVERTHING NEW K, THEN! ITS PRICEY.

Actually u can do it for around $4-6k and get 215-225whp k20/24 with i/h/e and k-pro.

As long as its NOT A F22 TURBO!

you can buy a complete k24 swap on hmotors for about 4k...or just the block with Intake and exhuast manifold,injectors,engine harness for only 2k...and its not that much to build actually

the whole point is......... all the money u spend on the k swap, in the end, ur still not fast........

[Starrfire]

especially a k24 swap non type s. I'd rather just do an h22. Just because they K is the newest, doesn't mean its the fastest alternative engine configuration.

[Jdm94Coupe]

especially a k24 swap non type s. I'd rather just do an h22. Just because they K is the newest, doesn't mean its the fastest alternative engine configuration.

agreed, .....

[Motivation]

HEY BRO H22A TURBO MAKE AROUND 250 HP !!!

Maybe with a massive boost leak. My buddy's boosted h22a STOCK MOTOR hit 32x on 9psi and around 250ish torque.

Anyways, H motors are pretty easy to hit 200whp, as well. It's all on preference of what you want to do, though.

My buddy's ls/v made 208 before his new exhaust and throttle body.

[112480]

the whole point is......... all the money u spend on the k swap, in the end, ur still not fast........

???? OH REALLY!? LOL!! Man ur funny! I tell u what, about a month from now when my car is ready(92 eg hatch k20/24 build) we'll race and then u tell me that a k swap isnt fast Wow these b and h series guys

And NO ONE said k's r the fastest! There r PLENTY of b's and h2b's that r faster DEPENDING ON THE BUILD OF THE K AND H2B'S ETC ETC. ITS ALL IN WHAT U LIKE!

Funny, k swap guys dont talk shit about b and h series guys but b and h series guys talk ALL THE SHIT IN THE WORLD and try they BEST to justify why doing a k build is a waste of time.

But the funny thing is 5-10years from now when there is something else more powerful than k, the k series swap will b like b and d series then the "b and h" series guys will b k series guys

I guess they just dont want to convert now

[Vteckidd]

Yea u right he didnt take it to 9k, HE TOOK IT TO 9500RPMS!!

It made 200whp at 8400rpms I revved it higher for simply racing purposes. It was done making peak power well below my redline.

IMO the easiest cheapest way to make 200whp is

1) stock type-r motor with my header
2) h22 jdm motor with bolt ons

even a gsr motor with my header and type-r cams can make it easily

k20s are a waste of money for 200whp. Even if you do budget shop it's still $2000-3000 over a b series swap and a ton more fabrication and work. The only reason to go k series is if you want to make over 230whp on a relatively stock motor. But even then it's more expensive than anything else you could do.

To be honest the BEST combo is h2b. It's substancially cheaper than a k series, can make the same power if not more, it's much easier to swap than a k series, it's just all around better.

There's guys on here with bolt ons and cams in a h23vtec oem Honda motor making 225-245 whp. Show me a k20 or k24 making that kind of power LOCALLY not on the Internet

[112480]

It made 200whp at 8400rpms I revved it higher for simply racing purposes. It was done making peak power well below my redline.

Oh yea! LOL well its still over the 8k mark the guy was asking about.

[112480]

k20s are a waste of money for 200whp. Even if you do budget shop it's still $2000-3000 over a b series swap and a ton more fabrication and work. The only reason to go k series is if you want to make over 230whp on a relatively stock motor. But even then it's more expensive than anything else you could do.

To be honest the BEST combo is h2b. It's substancially cheaper than a k series, can make the same power if not more, it's much easier to swap than a k series, it's just all around better.

There's guys on here with bolt ons and cams in a h23vtec oem Honda motor making 225-245 whp. Show me a k20 or k24 making that kind of power LOCALLY not on the Internet

This is true.

[112480]

There's guys on here with bolt ons and cams in a h23vtec oem Honda motor making 225-245 whp. Show me a k20 or k24 making that kind of power LOCALLY not on the Internet

Oh mike.......... no faith in me huh. LOL! going for 270whp.(before the bottle) LOCALLY!

[112480]

Ay mike u think he can get 200whp wit a h2b swap with bolt ons UNDER 8krpms????

[Jdm94Coupe]

???? OH REALLY!? LOL!! Man ur funny! I tell u what, about a month from now when my car is ready(92 eg hatch k20/24 build) we'll race and then u tell me that a k swap isnt fast Wow these b and h series guys


Funny, k swap guys dont talk shit about b and h series guys but b and h series guys talk ALL THE SHIT IN THE WORLD and try they BEST to justify why doing a k build is a waste of time.

Why wait? Im ready now.... Im not a b/h/k/j/f series guy, im actually a d series guy.(But thats not the point)..... Ok listen and listen closely. K swap guys dont talk about b series or h series guys because after spending all the money on the swap and the million things you have to do to get the damn thing to run they realize they still have to build the motor because its still not fast. Im guessing thats what u did, thats why u had the motor in and pulled it back out to build it. (maybe im wrong, but this is most cases)

BTW everybody in this thread is referring to a stock k series or hybrid swap in a civic or what not. You are referring to a built motor swap (completely different) Anything built should be fast. The point isnt that a built k series isnt fast, the point is that to swap a stock k in you couldve been considerably faster. Yes they are new, and look nice in the engine bay, but most ppl will wait until it becomes cheaper. In 3 years i will probably have a stock k series in my sedan, but for now i'll wait.

im tossing u some reps because i like the fact that u stand by what u believe in.....

k20s are a waste of money for 200whp. Even if you do budget shop it's still $2000-3000 over a b series swap and a ton more fabrication and work. The only reason to go k series is if you want to make over 230whp on a relatively stock motor. But even then it's more expensive than anything else you could do.

That says it all...... reps 4 u 2

[Jdm94Coupe]

Ay mike u think he can get 200whp wit a h2b swap with bolt ons UNDER 8krpms????

my homeboi has 22Xwhp with the stock block on his h2b...... tuned by scotty... i think his revlimiter is 8k

[Jdm94Coupe]

This is true.

how come when mike says it its true, but when i say it its not? lol jk man

[Motivation]

Ay mike u think he can get 200whp wit a h2b swap with bolt ons UNDER 8krpms????

I made 190whp at 7200rpm on stock intake manifold, stock throttle body, stock cam gears, homemade intake, need of a tune up BAD (running rough), and untuned (of tune from factory, no additional tuning, however ya look at it). (mainstream's dyno day)

I have a good header, and stage 1 cams on it.

With the rest of the bolt ons and cams adjusted I can pretty much promise 200whp+ under 8krpms.