To make 200whp+.... what's required?

[blown_ss]

Now, some Honda all-motor engines obviously can make 200whp or more, but they in general are not 1.8L's.. I've only heard of one 1.8L all-motor engine making over 200whp and it revved to 9000+ rpms. Now, for Bseries 2.0 blocks, they obviously cannot really handle revving to 9000rpms reliably, so since they don't rev quite as high, and Hondas generally make most of their power through high rpm running, what type of combination should/would be thrown together in order to make a B series engine keep its revs around 8k, and make 200whp+? I've been thinking about this for a while, but I know that there's no guarantees on how much power an engine will make, but no less than 200whp is the goal for my next build, all-motor and I'm not sure what combination would do it.... other than a 12:1CR and a 2.0L block.

there are more then this on this website alone. hell vteckidd did it with a stockish b18c5 and didnt take it to 9k.

[112480]

there are more then this on this website alone. hell vteckidd did it with a stockish b18c5 and didnt take it to 9k.

Yea u right he didnt take it to 9k, HE TOOK IT TO 9500RPMS!!

[Vteckidd]

Yea u right he didnt take it to 9k, HE TOOK IT TO 9500RPMS!!

It made 200whp at 8400rpms I revved it higher for simply racing purposes. It was done making peak power well below my redline.

IMO the easiest cheapest way to make 200whp is

1) stock type-r motor with my header
2) h22 jdm motor with bolt ons

even a gsr motor with my header and type-r cams can make it easily

k20s are a waste of money for 200whp. Even if you do budget shop it's still $2000-3000 over a b series swap and a ton more fabrication and work. The only reason to go k series is if you want to make over 230whp on a relatively stock motor. But even then it's more expensive than anything else you could do.

To be honest the BEST combo is h2b. It's substancially cheaper than a k series, can make the same power if not more, it's much easier to swap than a k series, it's just all around better.

There's guys on here with bolt ons and cams in a h23vtec oem Honda motor making 225-245 whp. Show me a k20 or k24 making that kind of power LOCALLY not on the Internet

[112480]

It made 200whp at 8400rpms I revved it higher for simply racing purposes. It was done making peak power well below my redline.

Oh yea! LOL well its still over the 8k mark the guy was asking about.

[112480]

k20s are a waste of money for 200whp. Even if you do budget shop it's still $2000-3000 over a b series swap and a ton more fabrication and work. The only reason to go k series is if you want to make over 230whp on a relatively stock motor. But even then it's more expensive than anything else you could do.

To be honest the BEST combo is h2b. It's substancially cheaper than a k series, can make the same power if not more, it's much easier to swap than a k series, it's just all around better.

There's guys on here with bolt ons and cams in a h23vtec oem Honda motor making 225-245 whp. Show me a k20 or k24 making that kind of power LOCALLY not on the Internet

This is true.

[Jdm94Coupe]

This is true.

how come when mike says it its true, but when i say it its not? lol jk man

[112480]

how come when mike says it its true, but when i say it its not? lol jk man

LOL, ur right too. reps for u also

[112480]

There's guys on here with bolt ons and cams in a h23vtec oem Honda motor making 225-245 whp. Show me a k20 or k24 making that kind of power LOCALLY not on the Internet

Oh mike.......... no faith in me huh. LOL! going for 270whp.(before the bottle) LOCALLY!

[Jdm94Coupe]

???? OH REALLY!? LOL!! Man ur funny! I tell u what, about a month from now when my car is ready(92 eg hatch k20/24 build) we'll race and then u tell me that a k swap isnt fast Wow these b and h series guys


Funny, k swap guys dont talk shit about b and h series guys but b and h series guys talk ALL THE SHIT IN THE WORLD and try they BEST to justify why doing a k build is a waste of time.

Why wait? Im ready now.... Im not a b/h/k/j/f series guy, im actually a d series guy.(But thats not the point)..... Ok listen and listen closely. K swap guys dont talk about b series or h series guys because after spending all the money on the swap and the million things you have to do to get the damn thing to run they realize they still have to build the motor because its still not fast. Im guessing thats what u did, thats why u had the motor in and pulled it back out to build it. (maybe im wrong, but this is most cases)

BTW everybody in this thread is referring to a stock k series or hybrid swap in a civic or what not. You are referring to a built motor swap (completely different) Anything built should be fast. The point isnt that a built k series isnt fast, the point is that to swap a stock k in you couldve been considerably faster. Yes they are new, and look nice in the engine bay, but most ppl will wait until it becomes cheaper. In 3 years i will probably have a stock k series in my sedan, but for now i'll wait.

im tossing u some reps because i like the fact that u stand by what u believe in.....

k20s are a waste of money for 200whp. Even if you do budget shop it's still $2000-3000 over a b series swap and a ton more fabrication and work. The only reason to go k series is if you want to make over 230whp on a relatively stock motor. But even then it's more expensive than anything else you could do.

That says it all...... reps 4 u 2

[112480]

Why wait? Im ready now.... Im not a b/h/k/j/f series guy, im actually a d series guy.(But thats not the point)..... Ok listen and listen closely. K swap guys dont talk about b series or h series guys because after spending all the money on the swap and the million things you have to do to get the damn thing to run they realize they still have to build the motor because its still not fast. Im guessing thats what u did, thats why u had the motor in and pulled it back out to build it. (maybe im wrong, but this is most cases)

BTW everybody in this thread is referring to a stock k series or hybrid swap in a civic or what not. You are referring to a built motor swap (completely different) Anything built should be fast. The point isnt that a built k series isnt fast, the point is that to swap a stock k in you couldve been considerably faster. Yes they are new, and look nice in the engine bay, but most ppl will wait until it becomes cheaper. In 3 years i will probably have a stock k series in my sedan, but for now i'll wait.

Actually i came from a turbo'd D series myself. And for my next build i wanted something that not only is fast with basic bolt-ons but has the GREATEST potential. No matter how u shake it a b and even a h22 CANNOT make as much hp as a k build for build. Mean fully built a h22 can produce what mike................... and a fully built k has produce over 330whp ALL MOTOR of course.

And i didnt pull the motor out and build it. LOL, this is my first k swap so instead of just "putting" it together i decided to go ahead and build it the way i want to for now and come back and add more later. FYI, going for 270whp all motor and 400+whp on the bottle(150shot:boobies. But its built also so later i can put the kraftwerks s/c kit on it WITH the 150 shot and look between 6-700whp depending on which kraftwerks s/c kit i go with.

But ur right this thread is reffering to a 1.8l producing 200who UNDER 8K. So a k WOULD B A WATSE OF MONEY for that goal.

[Vteckidd]

No matter how u shake it a b and even a h22 CANNOT make as much hp as a k build for build. Mean fully built a h22 can produce what mike................... and a fully built k has produce over 330whp ALL MOTOR of course.

I disagree. In terms we are talkig about which is street driven cars either motor is capable of big numbers, the h22 is prob easier to do it with, cheaper, and has a better oiling system. Hs have been making over 300whp for years with BAR HONDA race team.

The k20/k24 is the future but it's just not a viable option for most consumers right now.

I've sold 600 b series narrows in a year, 175 h22 drag, 200 h22 hytech, 200 rsx, 250 civicsi



40 k series swap headers.

[0\s accord]

bout time i see another d series guy!

Why wait? Im ready now.... Im not a b/h/k/j/f series guy, im actually a d series guy.(But thats not the point)..... Ok listen and listen closely. K swap guys dont talk about b series or h series guys because after spending all the money on the swap and the million things you have to do to get the damn thing to run they realize they still have to build the motor because its still not fast. Im guessing thats what u did, thats why u had the motor in and pulled it back out to build it. (maybe im wrong, but this is most cases)

BTW everybody in this thread is referring to a stock k series or hybrid swap in a civic or what not. You are referring to a built motor swap (completely different) Anything built should be fast. The point isnt that a built k series isnt fast, the point is that to swap a stock k in you couldve been considerably faster. Yes they are new, and look nice in the engine bay, but most ppl will wait until it becomes cheaper. In 3 years i will probably have a stock k series in my sedan, but for now i'll wait.

im tossing u some reps because i like the fact that u stand by what u believe in.....



That says it all...... reps 4 u 2

[skacore]

Oh mike.......... no faith in me huh. LOL! going for 270whp.(before the bottle) LOCALLY!

I have faith, but this isn't a junkyard this is a garage.

[112480]

I have faith, but this isn't a junkyard this is a garage.

HAHAHA!!! reps for u!

[Vteckidd]

Oh mike.......... no faith in me huh. LOL! going for 270whp.(before the bottle) LOCALLY!

yOu have a good build I'm interested to see what it makes but if you were only shooting for 200-220whp you spent way too much money lol

but you're trying to make 250+ so to do that with a b series costs way too much. H22 it's prob easier an cheaper still but not enough to make a huge difference.

I don't think there is anyone that will argue that the "old technology" is still competitive and a viable option for street cars. And they make more hp/$

[speedminded]

Well i dont think the guy is arguing the rpm thing he just wants to know if its possible for a 1.8l to produce 200whp UNDER 8k. Like urs made 200whp at 8400rpms. He wants that UNDER 8k.

The original post says 9000...several times, nothing about 8000.

Hey mike correct me if i'm wrong but wont he have to get a b20/vtec to make 200whp at 9k rpms? Cause a b18c5 stock redline is 8400 and even though gsr is 8k, just bolt-ons wont get him 200whp@8k rpms unless u can tell him of some AMAZING cams that will do the trick in a gsr swap. but then again if he do b20/vtec there goes his 1.8l, so i dont know.....

What do u think..........

You can get over 200whp with a b20 VTEC @ 8k rpm's if you want but it will require the block to be bored (Stock internals like RSX Type-S pistons with B-series rods ) and a built head (b16 p&p Skunk2 stage 2 internals).

Welcome to 2004. I posted the dyno vid on our car over 5 years ago.

[LiveaxleLS1]

answer to OP's question: at least two extra cylinders and around twice the displacement.

[112480]

answer to OP's question: at least two extra cylinders and around twice the displacement.

Yea and twice the money!