WHICH WHEELS SHOULD I GO WITH???

[Elbow]

ur first post minus "joke"

Huh? lol

[BABY J]

ur first post minus "joke"

I see what you did there.

[BABY J]

Huh? lol

You missed the JOKE.

[u8myore0]

You missed the JOKE.

hahahahahah

[toxxxic]

[quote=u8myore0;38542785]2. yea my offset with my suspension set up gave me negative camber leading to heavy tire wear
[quote]

from the pictures, those wheels look to have a pretty normal/stock offset. knockoff wheels generally dont use crazy offsets unless you specifically order them that way (IF the manufacturer even gives the option, which most of them dont) ... the higher the number, the closer to "stock" you get.

if you dont want to eat tires, you need to either raise your car up, or get a camber kit and bring your camber back out - which when you do this, you'll find if you're too low, your tires will actually be hitting the fender. to have a really low car, you HAVE to run negative camber to be able to fit your tires inside of your fender.... which you were just talking about going lower, which is going to eat more tire.

just sayin.

[quickdodge®]

#2. The two bronze wheels? Ugly as fuck. #4? Ugly as fuck.

Later, QD.

[Vteckidd]

Toxxic offset effects camber FYI. Wheels with crazy offset usually cause a ton of negative camber especially when you lower a car.

Ever seen a Cadillac on daytons?

[quickdodge®]

isnt everyone riding on bbs/or "replica" bbs wheels... thats my only thing i .. i want to be different but i dont want the shit to be ugly either.

You're not going to achieve different riding on bronze wheels. Later, QD.

[toxxxic]

Toxxic offset effects camber FYI. Wheels with crazy offset usually cause a ton of negative camber especially when you lower a car.

Ever seen a Cadillac on daytons?

trust me, i know about low offsets creating camber - look at my car.

however, in this case, the wheels that were on the red mazda = NOT crazy offset.

[Vteckidd]

Yeah but you can't see -1 degrees can you


Your wheels are super exaggerated . Changing the offset just a few mm can cause over a degree of camber change= wearing tires out

just sayin

[toxxxic]

.... -1 degree camber wouldnt eat tires that badly.

i had -3 ish on my coupe and i got a GOOD alignment and never had a problem with camber wear. its allllllll in the alignment.

regardless - she said she wanted to go EVEN lower, so obviously unless she wants her tires to come through the fender, she's gonna have to rock some camber.

[BABY J]

Damn. I want an import chic again (last time I dated some1 in the scene was 1998). That convo is sexy coming from some1 w/ tits.

[u8myore0]

trust me, i know about low offsets creating camber - look at my car.

however, in this case, the wheels that were on the red mazda = NOT crazy offset.

yes because if i remember correctly...the offset of these wheels was 10mm-15mm more than stock which can lead to......... : )and if u looked at the my car from behind..(like the comments i got all the time) my camber was OFF!!! i bowed out.

[Vteckidd]

.... -1 degree camber wouldnt eat tires that badly.

i had -3 ish on my coupe and i got a GOOD alignment and never had a problem with camber wear. its allllllll in the alignment.

regardless - she said she wanted to go EVEN lower, so obviously unless she wants her tires to come through the fender, she's gonna have to rock some camber.

it will cause wear, period. The argument wasnt about how bad or how slow. How do you know she didnt have 20k miles on those tires?

Youre wrong, you HAD -3 camber, then the alignment brought it back to 0 or close to it, which is why you had no tire wear. THERE IS NO WAY YOU HAD -3 NEGATIVE CAMBER and DIDNT WEAR TIRES OUT. An alignment brings the car as close to even (0) as possible, thats the whole point for it.

Thats absurd.

If she gets a bigger offset she will have to roll her fenders, or increase the negative camber. either one will eat tires

/thread

[toxxxic]

you're not comprehending the point i'm trying to make.

like i said, unless you want your tires to come through your fenders, you have to have camber.

[Vteckidd]

LOL

she said how low her car was and her offset ate her tires up. you said that it was her alignment.

All i said was that OFFSET GREATER THAN STOCK AND LOWERING A CAR DOES INCREASE NEGATIVE CAMBER.

How am i not getting the argument?

[toxxxic]

Youre wrong, you HAD -3 camber, then the alignment brought it back to 0 or close to it, which is why you had no tire wear. THERE IS NO WAY YOU HAD -3 NEGATIVE CAMBER and DIDNT WEAR TIRES OUT. An alignment brings the car as close to even (0) as possible, thats the whole point for it.

LOL. if i could adjust my camber to 0 with an alignment, what would be the point of a camber kit? ....... there is almost no adjustment for camber on a civic.

so you're saying that because i have negative camber on my del sol, that when i get it aligned, my camber is going to suddenly dissapear and my tires are going to bow out and i'm going to look like a frog driving down the road?

...... that is the dumbest thing i have ever read.

[toxxxic]

LOL

she said how low her car was and her offset ate her tires up. you said that it was her alignment.

All i said was that OFFSET GREATER THAN STOCK AND LOWERING A CAR DOES INCREASE NEGATIVE CAMBER.

How am i not getting the argument?

i wasnt meaning YOU not getting my argument. i meant the girl who says she wants to go lower, but have no camber. and that her offset created her negative camber -- it couldnt have been the fact that her car is lowered or anything, it must be the offset of the wheel.

[Vteckidd]

LOL. if i could adjust my camber to 0 with an alignment, what would be the point of a camber kit? ....... there is almost no adjustment for camber on a civic.

so you're saying that because i have negative camber on my del sol, that when i get it aligned, my camber is going to suddenly dissapear and my tires are going to bow out and i'm going to look like a frog driving down the road?

...... that is the dumbest thing i have ever read.

You do know what NEGATIVE camber means right?

If you lower your car lets say 2inches and you have -3 Camber, no going to get an aligmnment DOESNT FIX THAT if you dont have adjustable ball joints.

So if you lower your car on the ground with NO "CAMBER KIT" and alignment does you JACK SHIT, NOTHING. -3 camber before you go in, -3 after. You might be able to adjust the TOE with the tie rods, thats it.

You have adjustable camber kit, then you bring that -3 back to 0 with the adjustable ball joint.


What im saying is, you said eating tires is all about the alignment, i said that an alignment doesnt mean SHIT without adjusting the camber.

Make sense?

CLIFFS:
LOWER YOUR CAR , GET NEGATIVE CAMBER
ALIGNMENT WONT FIX NEGATIVE CAMBER WITHOUT ADJUSTABLE BALL JOINTS


your original statement was misleading, i think we are saying the same thing in a different way

[toxxxic]

You do know what NEGATIVE camber means right?

If you lower your car lets say 2inches and you have -3 Camber, no going to get an aligmnment DOESNT FIX THAT if you dont have adjustable ball joints.

So if you lower your car on the ground with NO "CAMBER KIT" and alignment does you JACK SHIT, NOTHING. -3 camber before you go in, -3 after. You might be able to adjust the TOE with the tie rods, thats it.

You have adjustable camber kit, then you bring that -3 back to 0 with the adjustable ball joint.


What im saying is, you said eating tires is all about the alignment, i said that an alignment doesnt mean SHIT without adjusting the camber.

Make sense?

CLIFFS:
LOWER YOUR CAR , GET NEGATIVE CAMBER
ALIGNMENT WONT FIX NEGATIVE CAMBER WITHOUT ADJUSTABLE BALL JOINTS

Wait. But you just said that i HAD -3, and I went to get an alignment and suddenly had 0 camber, and that's why I didn't go through tires. But you can't adjust camber without adjustable ball joints? So exactly HOW did I not go through tires if I still had camber if camber is the only culprit??

Lowering a car doesnt just affect camber. It affects toe as well, which wears tires MUCH quicker than camber does.

[Vteckidd]

what i meant was you said you had -3 camber an never ate tires after you got an alignment , i was inferring that you MUST have had camber adjustment, simply getting an alignment doesnt solve camber issues.

We are saying the same thing just in a different way

[toxxxic]

Nope. I had no camber kit. I'm about to get a camber kit for the del sol so i can have MORE negative camber and go lower.

Most people don't realize that when they lower their car, they're not only fucking with camber, but they're also fucking with toe -- which eats the shit out of tires.

I'm willing to bet that old girl up there didn't get an alignment once she installed her suspension and wheels to get the toe in check, which wore the tires EVEN faster than if she would have had negative camber alone.

[u8myore0]

i wasnt meaning YOU not getting my argument. i meant the girl who says she wants to go lower, but have no camber. and that her offset created her negative camber -- it couldnt have been the fact that her car is lowered or anything, it must be the offset of the wheel.

omg howmany times do i need to say MY OFFSET WAS OFF FROM STOCK. and YES! depending on what u drop ur car with and i have yellow koni shocks and struts..all that has to do with camber!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! its not JUST the offset of the wheels which i stated were way off!

[u8myore0]

Nope. I had no camber kit. I'm about to get a camber kit for the del sol so i can have MORE negative camber and go lower.

Most people don't realize that when they lower their car, they're not only fucking with camber, but they're also fucking with toe -- which eats the shit out of tires.

I'm willing to bet that old girl up there didn't get an alignment once she installed her suspension and wheels to get the toe in check, which wore the tires EVEN faster than if she would have had negative camber alone.

are u referring to me???? um yes i did get an alignment the day after i had them installed (koni and springs). my camber was off and they said even with the camber kit id still be off enuff to eat thru tires and my toe was adjusted as well. old girl. epic : )))))))) have u taken a recent survey to declare ur statement true that MOST ppl dont know when lowering a car u mess with the toe of a car??

[Vteckidd]

Nope. I had no camber kit. I'm about to get a camber kit for the del sol so i can have MORE negative camber and go lower.

Most people don't realize that when they lower their car, they're not only fucking with camber, but they're also fucking with toe -- which eats the shit out of tires.

I'm willing to bet that old girl up there didn't get an alignment once she installed her suspension and wheels to get the toe in check, which wore the tires EVEN faster than if she would have had negative camber alone.

Ok correct me here if I'm misunderstanding

You had -3 negative camber
you got an alignment
you didn't wear tires out

is that what you are saying? Any car with -3 negative camber is going to eat tires sorry. All you did was adjust your toe which is fine but camber gives you uneven wear as well

[toxxxic]

lol wow someones defensive. hah. and oreo - you're still not getting what i'm trying to say so i'm going to just stop replying to you because its going nowhere.

yes mike - my exhaust picked up reflectors on 75. when i got rid of the car, it had MINIMAL amount of camber wear on the front -- rear still looked brand new. wasnt until i put the wheels/tires on the del sol that i noticed it eating tires. but this car is an alignment nightmare ... i think i've got a bent control arm or something.

i dont even wanna know what my camber is now hahahahaha

[Vteckidd]

Yeah I just don't see a car with that much negative camber not eat tires

but hey maybe something else was going on

your car now is going to suck haha

[toxxxic]

Yeah I just don't see a car with that much negative camber not eat tires

but hey maybe something else was going on

your car now is going to suck haha

i fucking love my +12 offset and my -43243 degree camber!!!

[MeFryRice]

Toe is what eats up tires, not camber.

Anyways, to answer Erika's question, go with BBS RGR's. Don't support the replica companies like 99.8% of IA does. Have you looked on Craigslist for a used set? You can often find a set in mint condition for a fraction of the cost.

[BABY J]

Toe is what eats up tires, not camber.

So does camber.

[BABY J]

Please stop spreading mis-information people. It's EASY to look at a tire and tell the problems:

http://www.procarcare.com/includes/c...dtirewear.html

[MeFryRice]

So does camber.

I had -4 of camber on the rear of my S2K and when I sold the wheels/tires, they have perfect tread-with through out. This was after 10k miles or so.

[Vteckidd]

Camber wears tires unevenly
toe wears tires unevenly

toe can do it worse because it can create more friction, but camber is the #1 problem

you can adjust TOE with factory components you canny adjust camber without aftermarket sliding or adjustable ball joints

[JITB]

1st - not all cars take kindly to neg camber, and not all cars can have their alignment corrected and not run thru tires.

mazda 3's have wide hips..and look great with nice wide wheels/tires. and i highly doubt that ms. oreo wants to flush out the 3.

with your 1k budget, and you needing tires.. unless you find a used set..id suggest:

[btstone]

I had -4 of camber on the rear of my S2K and when I sold the wheels/tires, they have perfect tread-with through out. This was after 10k miles or so.

if you had even tread wear then you DID NOT have -4 camber on your s2k.

[speedminded]

It affects toe as well, which wears tires MUCH quicker than camber does.

ring ----> finger

Just sayin.

[MeFryRice]

if you had even tread wear then you DID NOT have -4 camber on your s2k.

The key is to turn harder and faster.

Here you go...I have the printout of the alignment as well.

[S2KJD]

if you are considering spending the $$$ for bbs' then u should go with volks and at least have a much lighter wheel imo...

[u8myore0]

okay so i have a gut feeling this body shop is full of MORONS. they told me today to find a set of wheels at $1,000 so they can buy them to put on the car to move it into the shop to put it on the lift to find out mechanical damages. so basically, theyre gonna order the wheels (they already ordered a new set of tires for me) and THEN put it on the lift.. and it could still be a possible total depending on the sitaution of everything else. jeeze.

[JITB]

okay so i have a gut feeling this body shop is full of MORONS. they told me today to find a set of wheels at $1,000 so they can buy them to put on the car to move it into the shop to put it on the lift to find out mechanical damages. so basically, theyre gonna order the wheels (they already ordered a new set of tires for me) and THEN put it on the lift.. and it could still be a possible total depending on the sitaution of everything else. jeeze.

u have your stock wheels? can u give them to them, and get your 1000$ wheel money, and take your time, and shop on your own?