well saidOriginally Posted by boostleak
well said
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this will fix your rotary trouble hahahahhahaha
My old car. Stock body + OEM wing. With the right wheels would look good.
RX-7 with a KA-T.
i say go with the 240
RX7>240 IMO
^^x2
Not to bash on 240s here, but they're everywhere, 7s aren't as common. 7s have superior chassis stock for stock, 7s have better brakes, 7s rev higher, 7s have the same straight line performance stock for stock. You're comparing a grand touring sports car to an entry level sports coupe. The choice should be obvious.
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
That goes both ways. Hinsonsupercars.com rx7s & 240sxs.
this will fix your rotary trouble hahahahhahaha
superior chassis stock for stock? have you flipped your lid? 240sx sits on a platform shared with the Silvia and Skyline. Hicas > you. S13 Skyline won 29 of 29 races its first year and followed that up by winning 50 of 50 and carrying the championship each year. The chassis the 240sx sits on is far superior to an rx7.
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that a U.S. spec 240, even a hicas comes factory with all wheel steering, 4 piston brakes up front, 2 in the rear(wrapped around 10.7 inch discs and 10.3 front/rear respectively), with a clutch-type LSD (Viscus type is crap), 50/50 weight distribution and low center of gravity that only a rotary can provide. Also, the S chassis is not the same a skyline chassis. They can share similar architecture but similar =/= same. The 240 is NOT a spectacular car, I have driven my room mate's wonderful example of a 240, and I have driven countless 2nd generation Rx-7s. You can't deny the laws of physics, the 2nd generation Rx-7 has a far superior chassis than the S chassis especially the worst of the S-chassis cars, the one with the truck-sourced KA24DE.
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
i never saw nissan win le mans either.
in base trim rx7>240. In race trim 240>rx7. Make fair comparisons... a na 2nd gen is not a spectacular car either. Rx7 is trimmed better stock... easy observation to make. Compare chassis potential vs the nearest trim of s13. Compare a TurboII to a Silvia Ks
787b is not a rx7.
but if were talking US stock models,the RX-7 wins.
and no the 787B is not a 7,but its a rotary engine....just stating that a nissan powered car hasnt done that.
lol, now the real opinions are coming out!!! nice and i know the potential of the two chassis. both can be very nice cars!! but continue with the opinions.
US stock models, i agree... there's no comparison. Rx7 is a better trimmed car stock. But if you look at what is under the bolt ons, the s13 chassis is a far more proven platform. If a Geo metro came factory with brembos and tien coil overs would you say it was a better car than a corvette if corvettes came factory with drum brakes? Look at whats under the interchangable parts.
Judging trim... there's no comparison, rx7 has higher quality parts in stock trim. Without starting an engine debate because rotary fans will never bow down to any challengers... i would think the majority would agree that Nissan powertrain is superior.
o i belive the 240 deff a better and cheaper car to mod,and the n/a FCs are nothing to brag about,i mean they have nice stuff and u can throw em around.
and if u dont know bout rotary engines,might wanna skip it.
ive owned a couple rx7s, i know how to disconnect and remove a rotary engine. Which is as much as ive ever wanted to know.
valid points made here.... *cheaper* *better car to mod*. Why are rx7s trimmed better stock? because they cost more... sure rx7s have better brakes and better shocks stock... the price would indicate that. 240sx is a cheaper car with more readily available and user friendly modifications. It has a wider range of reasonable engine options and parts and service will be far less of a hastle.
I might be a little bias since the op is looking at my 7 right now that I have up for sale. I have driven stock 240's and a 240 with coilovers and a sr20 swap. The 240 may not always be a cheaper solution a sr swap costs just about the same as a turbo rotary swap and a turbo rotary will make more power than a sr20 will make because at some point that sr is going to need rods and pistons.
the biggest difference as stated was that the rx7 is a much more luxurious car over all. Its a much smooth and solid drive over a 240.
Granted parts are easier to find for a 240 and you don't have to go re learning a whole new engine setup.
And to plug my own car, my main focus while I have had the car is making sure mechanically the car is in awesome shape...I keep getting asked why I am selling since the car is running awesome.
Ohhh and one big downside to the rx7...a 240sx will never be as loud as a na rotary lol.
o i wasnt saying u didnt know,just mean anyone thinking bout buying one,i mean their not real different but they do have thier little quirksive owned a couple rx7s, i know how to disconnect and remove a rotary engine. Which is as much as ive ever wanted to know.
valid points made here.... *cheaper* *better car to mod*. Why are rx7s trimmed better stock? because they cost more... sure rx7s have better brakes and better shocks stock... the price would indicate that. 240sx is a cheaper car with more readily available and user friendly modifications. It has a wider range of reasonable engine options and parts and service will be far less of a hastle.
deff the FC is more of a GT car,came with all kinds of gadgets....the 240sx was just a normal sportscoupe in the "us",but when u start adding thing that came on overseas cars they deff get better.
i really would never compare a 240 to a RX-7,id compare a Z car to a RX-7.
if the OP is shopping. I've got this for sale.
one of the very few unmolested 240s. Purchased from the garage of a retired old lady. crack free and undamaged interior. Ac works, trim panels, seals and glass are all excellent. car is straight as an arrow. 5 speed, cd player,ac, instrument panel works perfect. Rare find in the 240 world. An untouched canvas ready to be created.
Silvia left out in the rain while the 240sx sleeps in comfort.
s2000 out in the rain while the 240sx sleeps in comfort.
I was talking stock for stock, and no, I will not compare a TII you can pick up here for $3000-$4000 to a car never sold in America. You act like, that for the purposes of this thread, the owner is choosing between a Hicas 240 and an N/A FC, or a TII and a Silvia Ks. That's just not the comparison. If the OP has Hicas money, he's also looking at a tII, if he doesn't he's compairng most likely a 240 SE hatch to a GXL or GTU Rx7. Youre telling me to make fair comparisons. I also don't have a clue what you're talking about in terms of bolt ons. Both can get coil overs, both can upgrade the brakes (although most find they never need to as the TII has the same brakes as the FD). They both can make insane power, although I'll admit that with power you'll hit a 200 HP ceiling in an N/A FC really fast and the 240s have LOADS of powertrain options. For all intents and purposes though we'll start with stock vs. stock, then we must ask what the purpose of the car will be. 7s were built to do nothing BUT handle, so I really think that anything short of long course road racing, or drags strips, you won't find any major advantages to the S chassis. I mean, sure, you can put 300ZX brakes on a 240, but then you'll just be where the Fc started..... the rest of the aftermarket supplies a plethora of quality parts for both chassis. I know you know way more than I about 240s, but having lived with a guy for 4 months who owned a 240 and getting really personal with it, as well as having owned an Rx-7 myself, I think I know more about the 2 chassis together.
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
I just bought my second FC. Great car and ungodly potential.
i've owned a few of both of the cars in question. Stock vs stock, like you said... there's no comparison. The rx7 is a better stock vehicle, most of its standard equip is already capable, but the price difference also reflects that. With a 240sx, you're buying a cheaper and less equipt car that is capable of doing everything an rx7 can. As you stated, there are several chassis simularities. both cars have coilovers, disc brakes, IRS... Though the rx7 is capable factory, the parts needed to bring the 240sx up to par or better are cheap and readily available. It would not be hard to bring a 240sx up to the level of an rx7 stock vs stock just using the difference in value, but with the 240sx you would have the enjoyment of modifying the car and also knowing you have new parts installed.
The rx7 corners you in the powertrain department. If you chose not to go rotary, what are your options? completely overhauling the powertrain of the car? 240sx has a variety of user friendly engine combinations that are better than rotary engines.
If you wanna save money on brakes and put it towards doing a full blown engine swap.... get an rx7.
If you want a cheap and easy platform, get a 240sx.
One thing to consider with a rotary is that it takes twice as much Fuel and Air to make the same power as a piston engine. That is why you have so many people running around in the rotary world with 1600cc secondary injectors. Its why I am about to order 1000cc secondary and I will be making in the 375-400 HP range on high boost, where a piston engine would not need nearly the same amount of fuel. On another not you will never have to worry about pistons hitting valves or timing chain/belt issues with a rotary. Before anyone starts pissing and moaning about Apex Seals you can buy a rebuild kit for the engine for under $1300 do that with a piston engine.
Try not. Do or Do not.
I would definalty have to beg to differ on those statements...like I said a turbo rotary swap and a sr20det are about the same price with a sr being on the more expensive side (go drift tax) a turbo rotary will make more power than a stock block sr any day and most built sr's as well.
A rotary engine though is only as good as the person who owns it...if you are not willing to take the time to learn about what exactly the engine is all about and what not to do with it than yes it blows up easily...if you keep the heat out of it, don't let it knock, and keep the carbon out of it the rotary is just as reliable and stong as any piston engine out there.
Another point no one has made yet is while driving you utilize the power differently. It is hard to explain but when you start to drive any rotary you'll find out what I am talking about.
Try not. Do or Do not.
thanks for all the help guys im leaning towards the 7 a lot. lol i have always liked the styling of them and i dont plan on doin anything major to the motor for a while. and thanks for the input SHADOW, will be lookin forward to seein the car in person tomorrow. again thanks for all the input guys!!
^ Good choice
btw eraser I'm in the process of hunting you down a radio surround
all the guy wanted to know which car would make him look better, and of course the 7 wins!!
Peek-a-boo mofucka what now?!
rx7 hands down!
lol no problem...i do know one thing if the car wasnt a vert i would be keeping it hands down but it just doesnt fit with what i want to do with the car...i know sooner or later i will be picking up a TII.
Hey eraser let me check with my guy and see if he has any of those radio surrounds...dude lives up in buford area and has every conceivable part i have needed.
Heck yeah man. LMK what you find. I am going to be listing my C/F one for sale tomorrow.
Try not. Do or Do not.
A FULL OEM rebuild kit for a KA is under $600.
This thread went down after i left. Most of the post around have seemed more bias from the people who own it. Also some dude stating "i wouldn't get a 240 because its common is no way to judge the car", that a very bad point and shows more a biased side. Also to the "stock for stock RX7 beats 240" okay whats your point the cars are over 10 years old that was back when they where "NEW" and before chassis flex took effect.
That was another bad statement. Okay so back in the early 90's lets say the Rx-7 was better. Well who has a better suspension aftermarket community?i would guess the more COMMON one, because company s are hear to make money, in order to do that they need to meet demands.
I actually though this was going to be a decent thread, but i noticed some fan-bitch shit in here.
Another thing is, a buddy of mines had a FC, and it was ragged on (motor was to shit) and don't get me started on how much body roll that thing, had, but dont get me wrong my "stock" coupe has plenty of it too. I wonder why, OH because they are old fucking cars.
Now, because most bias shit i heard lets list some cons of the Rx-7 : They are TQ-less, highmaint,OLD (just like the 240), the rebuild kit is $1300, You need to know something about it before you get it.
Just using facts the KA IS a more reliable motor then the 13b/NA or turbo. Face it, it has more tq, rebuild kit is less then $600. I could keep going on but i would sound bias. Hell in my opinion i think the KA is a very underrated motor. hell, its practically a truck motor.(nissan hardbody)
Did i also tell you how shity 13b MPG are?
I'm not trying to bash anyone hear, especially the seller, but some of this shit posted was just retarded.
I hope you (OP which this rant was directed to) get the car right for you, not because its "UNCOMMON" or it had a better chassis over 10 years ago, but because you want that car.
Honestly if i could i would have a RX7. (wouldnt trade it for my 240 though)
Now if you want facts i would suggest you go look online about Cons and pros of both cars.
Some Cons about the 240 are, immature kids get it and think its the best thing out on the road, and the tear it up. The seat belt (s13) = fail sauce, UNDERPOWERED, window seal are done improperly and over time will leak, and the list goes on.
Actually i hope you get the Rx-7 if you can handle it, you just need to know some facts about them before putting your self in a bad position. (financially)
EIDT: its not like your buying a BRAND fucking new rx-7 vs 240, so get that stock for stock bullshit out.
/rant.
Anyhow i hope you get a great car/deal and enjoy every moment just like i do with my 240.
also i don't give a shit because "sooo many people have it" to me that sounds like a failed attempt to be different.
Sorry for typos or skipped words, i think faster then i type and don't have time to proof read this. So fill in the blanks if any.
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows public opinion.
If you're buying stuff actually worth putting on a car, well built, quality stuff, both cars will take benefit of parts with about the same quality, performance, and price. Now, since one is more common, there will be a lot more JUNK available for it. In order to get companies a quick sale. This can often disguise itself as "being cheaper to mod". Tell me one part you can buy for the 240 that they just plain don't make for a 7 because of popularity, don't get smart with me and list engine internals.That was another bad statement. Okay so back in the early 90's lets say the Rx-7 was better. Well who has a better suspension aftermarket community?i would guess the more COMMON one
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
Ok, first of all why would i list engine internals if i specifically said suspension? Sounds like your getting smart with your self, chief. Also when did i say the" 240 has parts the Rx7 doesn't."
BUT with you imagining things that are in my post, i hope your aren't another Rx7 bias guy, so far with what you "read" it seems like it, If so just end the conversation here.
A wise man makes his own decisions, an ignorant man follows public opinion.
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i can buy re-built small block chevy's all day for less than 1k. and get a warranty.
I still don't get why people think the rotary is high maint.
To address the suspension thing the rx7 has as much if not more options than the 240...you have to remember the rx7 has been around longer, is much more popular for club racing, and the 240 has only been a big tuning platform since the inception of drifting back in the early 2000's where as the rx7 has been an icon sports car from the day it was released.
Not trying to be some fan boi but way too many people talk about the rx7 and more specifically the rotary engine without the actual knowledge of what that engine is all about and understanding just how simple the engine is.
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