superior chassis stock for stock? have you flipped your lid? 240sx sits on a platform shared with the Silvia and Skyline. Hicas > you. S13 Skyline won 29 of 29 races its first year and followed that up by winning 50 of 50 and carrying the championship each year. The chassis the 240sx sits on is far superior to an rx7.Originally Posted by 87 Turbo II
I'm sorry, I wasn't aware that a U.S. spec 240, even a hicas comes factory with all wheel steering, 4 piston brakes up front, 2 in the rear(wrapped around 10.7 inch discs and 10.3 front/rear respectively), with a clutch-type LSD (Viscus type is crap), 50/50 weight distribution and low center of gravity that only a rotary can provide. Also, the S chassis is not the same a skyline chassis. They can share similar architecture but similar =/= same. The 240 is NOT a spectacular car, I have driven my room mate's wonderful example of a 240, and I have driven countless 2nd generation Rx-7s. You can't deny the laws of physics, the 2nd generation Rx-7 has a far superior chassis than the S chassis especially the worst of the S-chassis cars, the one with the truck-sourced KA24DE.
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
i never saw nissan win le mans either.
787b is not a rx7.
lol, now the real opinions are coming out!!! nice and i know the potential of the two chassis. both can be very nice cars!! but continue with the opinions.
in base trim rx7>240. In race trim 240>rx7. Make fair comparisons... a na 2nd gen is not a spectacular car either. Rx7 is trimmed better stock... easy observation to make. Compare chassis potential vs the nearest trim of s13. Compare a TurboII to a Silvia Ks
but if were talking US stock models,the RX-7 wins.
and no the 787B is not a 7,but its a rotary engine....just stating that a nissan powered car hasnt done that.
US stock models, i agree... there's no comparison. Rx7 is a better trimmed car stock. But if you look at what is under the bolt ons, the s13 chassis is a far more proven platform. If a Geo metro came factory with brembos and tien coil overs would you say it was a better car than a corvette if corvettes came factory with drum brakes? Look at whats under the interchangable parts.
Judging trim... there's no comparison, rx7 has higher quality parts in stock trim. Without starting an engine debate because rotary fans will never bow down to any challengers... i would think the majority would agree that Nissan powertrain is superior.
o i belive the 240 deff a better and cheaper car to mod,and the n/a FCs are nothing to brag about,i mean they have nice stuff and u can throw em around.
and if u dont know bout rotary engines,might wanna skip it.
ive owned a couple rx7s, i know how to disconnect and remove a rotary engine. Which is as much as ive ever wanted to know.
valid points made here.... *cheaper* *better car to mod*. Why are rx7s trimmed better stock? because they cost more... sure rx7s have better brakes and better shocks stock... the price would indicate that. 240sx is a cheaper car with more readily available and user friendly modifications. It has a wider range of reasonable engine options and parts and service will be far less of a hastle.
I was talking stock for stock, and no, I will not compare a TII you can pick up here for $3000-$4000 to a car never sold in America. You act like, that for the purposes of this thread, the owner is choosing between a Hicas 240 and an N/A FC, or a TII and a Silvia Ks. That's just not the comparison. If the OP has Hicas money, he's also looking at a tII, if he doesn't he's compairng most likely a 240 SE hatch to a GXL or GTU Rx7. Youre telling me to make fair comparisons. I also don't have a clue what you're talking about in terms of bolt ons. Both can get coil overs, both can upgrade the brakes (although most find they never need to as the TII has the same brakes as the FD). They both can make insane power, although I'll admit that with power you'll hit a 200 HP ceiling in an N/A FC really fast and the 240s have LOADS of powertrain options. For all intents and purposes though we'll start with stock vs. stock, then we must ask what the purpose of the car will be. 7s were built to do nothing BUT handle, so I really think that anything short of long course road racing, or drags strips, you won't find any major advantages to the S chassis. I mean, sure, you can put 300ZX brakes on a 240, but then you'll just be where the Fc started..... the rest of the aftermarket supplies a plethora of quality parts for both chassis. I know you know way more than I about 240s, but having lived with a guy for 4 months who owned a 240 and getting really personal with it, as well as having owned an Rx-7 myself, I think I know more about the 2 chassis together.
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
i've owned a few of both of the cars in question. Stock vs stock, like you said... there's no comparison. The rx7 is a better stock vehicle, most of its standard equip is already capable, but the price difference also reflects that. With a 240sx, you're buying a cheaper and less equipt car that is capable of doing everything an rx7 can. As you stated, there are several chassis simularities. both cars have coilovers, disc brakes, IRS... Though the rx7 is capable factory, the parts needed to bring the 240sx up to par or better are cheap and readily available. It would not be hard to bring a 240sx up to the level of an rx7 stock vs stock just using the difference in value, but with the 240sx you would have the enjoyment of modifying the car and also knowing you have new parts installed.
The rx7 corners you in the powertrain department. If you chose not to go rotary, what are your options? completely overhauling the powertrain of the car? 240sx has a variety of user friendly engine combinations that are better than rotary engines.
If you wanna save money on brakes and put it towards doing a full blown engine swap.... get an rx7.
If you want a cheap and easy platform, get a 240sx.
I would definalty have to beg to differ on those statements...like I said a turbo rotary swap and a sr20det are about the same price with a sr being on the more expensive side (go drift tax) a turbo rotary will make more power than a stock block sr any day and most built sr's as well.
A rotary engine though is only as good as the person who owns it...if you are not willing to take the time to learn about what exactly the engine is all about and what not to do with it than yes it blows up easily...if you keep the heat out of it, don't let it knock, and keep the carbon out of it the rotary is just as reliable and stong as any piston engine out there.
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