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[OnURleft]

That can be said of most cars on this list, all those cars are pretty fast and it's easy as putting the tranny into 1st gear/drive and pressing the gas. That's not hard to do in any of those cars. Don't act like shifting requires some special skill that 1% of ppl can perform.



Could be said of ANY car...



I've read expert reviews saying it's very manageable to drive, even at its limit...that british guy in top gear even said in one episode that he didn't think it was worth the price of 2 evo's, before he drove it. But after driving it he was blown away and said it really was worth the price of 2 evos...

Also, the car was named automobile of the year by several magazines....if cars in the same price range/cheaper cars are just as much fun wouldn't they have been picked?

Just saying...

You are just an epically stupid magazine racer dude. I have no time for a response other than reading your subjective bullshit. I am talking from experience, and from seat time, not from what "someone said in some magazine" . Some stuff. I suggest you quit while you're behind.

[RL...]

You are just an epically stupid magazine racer dude. I have no time for a response other than reading your subjective bullshit. I am talking from experience, and from seat time, not from what "someone said in some magazine" . Some stuff. I suggest you quit while you're behind.

1) I do not race nor read many auto magazines....and as for you not having time, apparently you have time to browse online to auto forums and talk shit so don't tell us that you don't have time. You're fooling nobody.

2) You're response is just as subjective as mine

3) those people talking in magazines are a lot more credible than you



I was trying to have a friendly debate, but apparently you got hurt by my post and now you want to start talking shit online...real mature....you're such a badass

Now if we can keep the name calling out of this maybe we can converse like adults....

[speedminded]

1) I do not race nor read many auto magazines....and as for you not having time, apparently you have time to browse online to auto forums and talk shit so don't tell us that you don't have time. You're fooling nobody.

2) You're response is just as subjective as mine

3) those people talking in magazines are a lot more credible than you



I was trying to have a friendly debate, but apparently you got hurt by my post and now you want to start talking shit online...real mature....you're such a badass

Now if we can keep the name calling out of this maybe we can converse like adults....

LOLOLOL! The difference is OnURleft knows how to steer and control a car not just with the steering wheel but with the clutch, brake, and throttle.

If anyone thinks a car "drives itself" because it has a computer controlling the slave cylinder than you're a idiotic couch racer. Ferrari, BMW, all of them have been using automated MANUAL transmissions for years. The BMW SMG is the EXACT same transmission as the Manual 6-speed and uses a regular clutch and flywheel. No valve bodys, no springs, no torque converter, no bullshit found in an automatic. The only difference is the speed and control of your hand telling the computer that controls the slave cylinder instead of a foot lever. They are NOTHING like the manual operated automatics most of you think this car has found in a Mitsubishi for example.

The newer versions, including the GT-R, have 2 clutches and 2 main shafts with alternating gears that anticipates and prepares the next gear based on your rev's, throttle, and load...making it even quicker and smoother. A true "driver" is a balancing act of braking and throttle all while shifting and controlling the weight of the car...the way the clutch engages doesn't really matter as long as the power and torque is there when you need it. The transmissions like the GT-R allow it to get there quicker and smoother than any manual can.

I'd love to see how many people that talk shit have ever driven a true automated manual or even a true sequential other than a motorcycle. Hell I never even use a clutch on a bike unless i'm taking off or want to screw around in 2nd gear. It's basically the same principle.