Quote Originally Posted by NissanTun3r
You can still manually change gears in a gtr, just without the use of a 3rd pedal. I do not understand why the use of said 3rd pedal makes the difference between a true drivers car and a car that just drives itself. Driving a stick is not too much harder than an auto, yes it requires more skill, and yes the lap time would be lower, but not significantly lower. I do agree that the gtr prob does not go that fast around the ring, but to say that it's lack of a 3rd pedal allows it to drive itself is a bit excessive.

And if you were simply referring to the electronic driving aids in the gtr, porsche's offer much of the same in their cars as well...

I think your personal love/admiration for porsche has clouded your judgement on this topic.



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The car is heavy, drives flat and is relatively easy to go fast in without much input from the driver. Hit its limit and it could bite you harder then you've ever been bit. The car is not a drivers tool, it's hard to boss around and twitchy as hell at the limit. It's just designed to be as fast as possible, then it breaks. A fast car, hell yes, a drivers car.... I don't think so. I could probably name 10 cars in the same price range or 1/2 the price that aren't as fast but subjectively are a hell of a lot more fun.


To the O.P and whoever may be basing how fast a car is on the list... Don't.... It's an awesome reference but it's just as unreliable as claiming my stock S2000 is stronger then yours because it made 10 more whp at said dyno. Weather, humidity, the trans, the DRIVER, whether or not the car was really stock and a host of other factors really skew the times. Little things like Dot 4 or 5 brake fluid could make or break a time on Green Hell.