has anybody done this before? does it add power? also can you do it with the motor in the car? kaizenspeed balanced shaft removal kits so far are the only ones ive seen. any info would be greatly appreciated
H22 balanced shaft removal
has anybody done this before? does it add power? also can you do it with the motor in the car? kaizenspeed balanced shaft removal kits so far are the only ones ive seen. any info would be greatly appreciated
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i could feel it some what in a h2b hatch i did
not very fun to do in the car but it has been done
kaizen is the best one from what i have seen
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im assuming it easier to do while its out of the car
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yea and the main reason i dont like doing it while in the vehicle is because you have to tap nd thread some wholes and i hate running the risk of getting any metal shards in my engine
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Can be done with motor in car but very difficult. Much easier when the motor is out of the car. Kaizenspeed is the only ones I would use.
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Would it not be more reliable to just use the Bisi block off plate and leave the shafts in the motor? In theory taking out the balance shafts will make the motor eat itself alive and create alot more internal vibrations. The horse power increase all be it very small will come from just removing the belts. Removing the shafts might gain another small increase but is it really worth it? Maybe it saves alot of whieght removing them? Im very curious about this as well. Picking up an H22 tomorrow.
between the 2 and all the lil stuff that goes with it it's prolly 10-15lbs of actually weight and when u have the belt running on the crank im sure it has to take some hp to turn them... i was very suprised how much they weighed when i took mine out... from what ive read they are there to keep the vibrations down that you might get when you get into high mileage. one of the reasons honda last so long compared to some other manus..
i havent seen the bisi block off but i will vouch for the kaisen kit
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obviously honda put it there for a reason.. if you just pull the belt off do you have to reroute the timing belt i mean the balance shaft belt runs the oil pump to right?
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no the balance shafts have there own belt thus being y some people just take the balance shaft belt off - the belt does run on the crank pulley but it dosent run the oil pump
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Doesn't look good to put it on from what i can see
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L4 cylinders are naturaly harsh when it comes to harmonic vibrations its just their nature. Link
Being that the H/F engines were intended more for the higher end car in Honda's lineup, reducing vibrations and engine noise Im sure was on the top of the list in design as well as the R/S ratio being less than desirable.
It would seem (after reading through that link) that only removing the belt would still allow the harmonics to happen and you'd still be carrying around 10lbs for nothing.
I was always under the impression that the balance shafts were to help reduce the bearing load created by the 2.2L's R/S ratio and 87mm piston wheight. That info claims its just to reduce harmonic vibration through the engine.I gotta do some more reading.
The oil pump is driven off the crank
L4 cylinders are naturaly harsh when it comes to harmonic vibrations its just their nature. Link
Being that the H/F engines were intended more for the higher end car in Honda's lineup, reducing vibrations and engine noise Im sure was on the top of the list in design as well as the R/S ratio being less than desirable.
It would seem (after reading through that link) that only removing the belt would still allow the harmonics to happen and you'd still be carrying around 10lbs for nothing.
I was always under the impression that the balance shafts were to help reduce the bearing load created by the 2.2L's R/S ratio and 87mm piston wheight. That info claims its just to reduce harmonic vibration through the engine.
The oil pump is driven off the crank
from what i gathered in that article in layman's (sp) terms
the vibrations are there and will always be there
the shafts are there to absorb some of the vibrations so they dont get to your seat or steering wheel where u can feel it
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Yup. Now that I know what they are for I see no reason why they are needed in a race car or enthusiats car. They were designed for women who dont like vibrations.
FYI:its Kaizenspeed, they actually have a great write up on their site too as to what they are for and what they do. Our 2.0L recently sheared an aluminium crank pully at the hub!!! No load on it other than an altenator belt and a steel trigger wheel for crank timing. L4 are just nasty little beasts.
hell yeah guys thanks for all the feedback i got a spare h22 in the garage that im going to do the removal on any other feedback will be greatly appreciated
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your doing another h22 swap or did you blow up the one in the sol?
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motor is running strong its ewing built!! i got a closed deck jdm block in the garage and want to build it high compression maybe mahle pistons(only mahle pistons) and want to do a balance shaft removal on it also and maybe use a h23 crank. you called me the other day what you need
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if you would have answered the phone you would have found out. and you know you just take the balancer belt off. thats how i ran my h22 for years.motor is running strong its ewing built!! i got a closed deck jdm block in the garage and want to build it high compression maybe mahle pistons(only mahle pistons) and want to do a balance shaft removal on it also and maybe use a h23 crank. you called me the other day what you need
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I have done several with no problem at all besides a little vibration in the 2-3000rpm range. They are there for customer comfort and they can be removed. I have never used a kit. I always do the machine work while the block is being built. You will gain some hp by reducing the amount of work the engine has to do since it doesnt have to spin the shafts.
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thanks bro
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I did it once, but it was removed while the bottom end was being built. I used stock crank, scat rods and CP pistons. All was balanced and I never noticed any vibration, could be due to the balancing though. It has been ran now on 8lbs of boost for 20k miles with no problems.
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