Following the rules...ehh? I can understand that but the fact that you told on me about something so minor really shows your immaturityOriginally Posted by hondabuilder
I agreed, and said ok, you're right, I'll take your word for it since I haven't really driven either car....calm down
It isn't about being immature, it's because there isn't any point to blurt out racial shit because it's the first thing you can think of. Call me anything in the book and I couldn't possibly care less, however you must agree it's crossing a line to bring in race, religion, family or whatever into a discussion about cars. I have different opinions than a lot of people, but I am not going to make personal attacks just to get my point across. I may not be pleasant or whatever, but I will never bring your race, family, kids, or whatever into the conversation because I was raised better than that.
Who knows?
I never made a racist comment towards you. I never met you, so therefore I don't know your race so how could I?
Mazda, I may be biased but I just really do like their lineup. And you forgot to mention the MX-5 and don't you dare say that isn't a sports car. Also, a lot of people who really have a passion for motorsport will tell you the Rx-8 drives more like a sports car than its competition. True the 8 is underpowered, but that same rotary engine is what gives it its balanced race-like chassis.
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
Rick you really should do better reasearch before being so sure!!!!
Sti will beat a S2K every time stock for stock!!!!!
LOLLL
mazda mx-5 miata....has 2 doors, rwd=sports car....I didn't mention it because I just don't like the new ones, I think mazda lost sight of the greatnbess that they once were
As for rx-8's, I've never driven one so I have no comment about it
But mazda does have a nice linup, muchmore exciting than toyota or honda IMO
Mazda, because they have a great motorsport program.
I feel Mazda has followed the 'sports car' mentality the closest. I'm gonna go out on a limb here, so bear with me.
I'm a firm believer that TRUE SPORTS CARS are 2 door, RWD, 2 seater vehicles, and have a powerband that must be respected. Corvette, most Ferraris, TVR's, etc.
That being said, look at the lineups of each Japanese manufacturer's flagship cars so we keep this on topic:
Toyota:
Supra (MKIV, for the sake of argument)- 2dr, 2+2 seater, FR - Toyota promoted it as a GT car, not a sports car. Hard to say, due to the car being overengineered, and being one of the few Japanese cars that has been able to repeatedly embarrass higher-end European cars. Plus it held the C&D braking record from it's debut in 1993 until the Carrera GT debuted in 2001. Tough call, but I'm sticking to labeling it as a GT car.
MR-2 - 2dr, 2 seater, MR - Entry level sports car. Good power, superb handling. Again, overengineered in every aspect. Probably one of the few good looking street terrorists out there, but still lacks power from the factory.
Subaru:
STi - 4 dr, 4 seater, AWD - Read EJ25run's post.
Nissan:
300ZX - 2dr, 2 seater and 2+2, FR - Tough call, due to both seating configurations. I'd lump this one in with the Supra in the GT crowd before deeming it as a true sports car.
350Z/370Z - 2dr, 2 seater, FR - Sports car. Makes decent power in stock form, but we all know these cars will throw down with forced induction.
GT-R - 2dr, 2+2 seater, AWD - GT car. The Skyline family has ALYWAYS been sedan based, and like EJ25run said about the STi compared to the Impreza, the GT-R is nothing more than a standard Skyline on steroids. Not a true sports car.
240SX - 2dr, 2+2 seater, FR - Not a sports car. Entry level at best. It was never intended to have blistering high-speed performance.
Mitsubishi:
Evo - 4dr, 4 seater, AWD - Same thing as the STi and GT-R. Hopped up base model built to win races. Not a sports car.
Honda:
NSX - 2dr, 2 seater, MR - Sports car. Good power, responsive, lightweight chassis. While it may not have been the FASTEST car out of Japan, it's still a terror on the race track and street.
S2000 - 2dr, 2 seater, FR - Roadster. Makes good power, but is still too underpowered to be classified as a sports car.
Mazda:
Miata - 2dr, 2 seater, FR - Roadster. Lacks the power to qualify as a sports car in my books. Entry-level club racer at best.
RX-8 - 4dr, 4 seater, FR, however, Mazda proclaims it as a new-age sports car for the family. IMO, they have succeed. Lack of low end response aside, it's prowess is undeniable in the turns, and it's behavior in the upper RPM's.
RX-7 - 2dr, 2 seater, FR - Sports car.
In my honest opinion, the RX-7, NSX and Z-car's are the ONLY true sports cars to ever have come out of Japan. Now don't get me wrong, I absolutely LOVE the Supra. But it was intended to outhandle it's competition on the race track, and it succeeded in doing so until the GT-R came along.
So yeah, let's get a REAL debate going on now. Again, this is all my opinion, I didn't build em, so don't take me TOO seriously.
-91 240SX -- CA18 Power...SOLD, now terrorizing the streets of Alabama
Very good post! I like how it was spelled out, we may just get a decent discussion out of this afterall!!
Who knows?
And I'm actually buzzin right now, so I'm in my prime thinking mode for intArnet forum discussions.
Workin on the Nismos, and killing all the leftover beer from Saturday. There was enough ice in the cooler that it hasn't melted yet, haha. So don't expect fast responses, and as the night goes on, don't expect coherent responses, hahahaha.
-91 240SX -- CA18 Power...SOLD, now terrorizing the streets of Alabama
What Japanese models were built strictly to meet race homologation requirements? There's one for ya to determine a "sports car..."
S2000 not a real sports car because its underpowered and it doesnt have a powerband that can be respected??
120hp/liter - how many other cars you listed, much less, other cars period, can pull that off? Naturally aspirated?
Find me an S2000 on the race track. It's FR and put in a class that it can't even begin to touch it's competitors plus it's too twitchy on a road course.
Doesn't change the fact that it's still underpowered. How many 4 cyl sports cars can you think of?
I can't think of a single one. The car was built as a response to the Miata setting the image of what a modern-day roadster should be. Honda obviously felt they could do it better (and they did) but it still doesn't classify as a sports car. It just lacks the power that's associated with sports cars like the Corvette and RX-7.
-91 240SX -- CA18 Power...SOLD, now terrorizing the streets of Alabama
Don't get butt-hurt over the FACT that the S2K is underpowered. Regardless of HP/L numbers, it's still a peaky little motor with no torque. There has never been a honda built from the factory that had adequate power for the chassis. I own one, and I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that if it had around 300 whp stock, it would have been an even better car, however it would have required traction control and VSA from the get-go.
Who knows?
Eh, the NSX came close, but failed to deliver the performance to match it's appearance and price tag. It's still a respectable car. I blame that so-called "Gentlemen's Agreement" that the Japanese manufacturers had about limiting cars to sub-300hp numbers.
God forbid if the NSX had been boosted from the factory.
-91 240SX -- CA18 Power...SOLD, now terrorizing the streets of Alabama
If the 1st gen had 390 instead of 290 from the factory it would have been evil!
It would've decimated all, if it had about $10k in parts from up the street.
-91 240SX -- CA18 Power...SOLD, now terrorizing the streets of Alabama
afsil makes good points, he agrees in the sense sports cars must have 2 doors, rwd, although I think having backseats still meets the guidelines, but everyone has a different perspective.
But I started this thread because I noticed nissan is the only japanese auto maker to still make a sports car in the usa...correct me if I'm mistaken...the 370z
Toyota needs to reinvent the supra, honda the nsx, maxda the rx7
The 370Z is manufactured in Japan.
Did you mean sold in the USA?
And the Miata. It'll be hard for you to convince me that the miata isn't asports car. It's based off of the the old Triumph, Lotus, and MG sports cars, it's a sporty roadster, it's got an FR layout, it's the number one most sold 2 seater of all time, it dominates at autocrosses, it's affordable, light, well balanced, zippy, and soon (apparently) there will be a coupe variant in 2012. Sure it's not a purebread track racer, but it's definitely one of the best budget sports cars of all time and the fact that it draws all its inspiration from roadsters that dominated British motorsports shows where it's true heart lies.
^^ Yeah, I drew a frame of a man running on each fan blade. That is him running at idle
But it's soooo damn slow! No power! Maybe if this were still the 60's or 70's, it would fly as a sports car, but it just doesn't have any balls to keep up with today's sports cars.
Another thing I really didn't want to delve into very much was COST. Sports cars are an elite item. They aren't supposed to be for everyone to buy! Cheap performance is often times one of two things: Awful quality or slow.
-91 240SX -- CA18 Power...SOLD, now terrorizing the streets of Alabama
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