E92/93 m3 fail
Wow, test drove one.. Manual of course, and what a disappointment..
Almost felt like an American car with that V8.. It really sucked, it wasn't fast, it was heavy, and it is outrageously overpriced.. Only thing I can give to it is the sound when you start that thing..
335 coupe all the way..
E90, no comment..
BMW, quit fucking up already..
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Originally Posted by TheDrunkScotsman
Thing really suppose to handle. Also 6sp FTL. MDCT is where it now man. What did you expect like a Str8 line performance of a Vette.
Clutch is where it now man.. Trust me..
I doubt he's even sat in one or drove one so I'll take Frog's word on this.
E36 is the last of the good M3's IMHO.
LOL WUT?
You seriously doubt I Ever Driven one.
It wasn't blazing fast. It was what I expected it to be, just an avg. all around car. That look great. I like the DCT more, personally, I hope they get that lag issue resloved with it. Anyways I don't think it over priced. The Rs4 and Merc around the same price range. Both have v8, Both are not blinding fast. The M3 is the better out of the 3. I believe. I just hate when people think if it doesn't beat the z06 then it and it 60k it overpriced. Lol Z06 hands down is the bang for the buck and then again is the m3 really in the same cat.
Anyways MDCT is the Future.
I any ways I don't feel like trying to defend myself. I just had a different experence with the M3.
Who said anything about Corvettes? And I don't think cares that much about straight line speed...look at his sigWhat I took from it is that it feels like a pig to drive.
x2. I could never be happy without, I don't care if it's faster.
^^ what he said..
I agree.. Even though I would rock a E46, the E36 (though slower) is so much more fun..
Yeah I didn't like the new M3 either, I do like E46's.
I'm of the opinion that the new M3 is something meant more for us on this side of the pond. I'm sure it handles well and all when it's pushed to the limit...but I'm more concerned with what it feels like on a day-to-day drive. Because of that, I'll take Frog's word for it. Why would he lie? Not like he has a bias against German cars...
First off, grammar and punctuation own you.
Second off, Considering again that you type like a 12 year old kid, I highly doubt you have even driven an e92 M3.
Third off, Frog's opinion highly outweighs yours. He has no reason to lie.
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They are nice cars to drive but they aren't anywhere near what they used to be. They have grown every generation and put too much luxury in them. They need to get back to the light weight, tossable cars they use to have. I'm also in the 335 FTW group. Stock its lighter and much cheaper, and only a bit slower on anything but a wide open track. For only a little money you can be as fast and still be less than the M3. With an aftermarket exhaust the 335's sound wonderful but I will still have to give the nod to the M3 for exhaust sound, opened up a bit and they sound oh so nice.
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That is a fantastic way to lose any credibility on an automotive forum. I don't give two shits if they use that crap in F1 or not. Any true enthusiast would take three pedals over two any day. There is a reason it is called the man pedal. The only reason to get a performance car with a dual clutch transmission is if it is going to be a track car where never ever making a mistake shifting counts. Or if your a complete cock bag....
Do you really think havign a manual car makes you more of a man..because that is what seemed implied by your post?
Paddle shifting can be just as fun, as long as the driver controls when the car shifts I do not see the difference in throwing a lever around on your center console, or your steering wheel.
Sorry I didn't know you were a chick. I usually don't talk to women that way.
Your the type of people that make me wish I never own a 240sx or anything nissan at all. Dude read what the fuck you said, Manuel is going out and DCT is coming in. Basically a I heard was man if anything make a car easier to drive then it make you a chick.
I agree with you. How does driving a manual make you more of a man, or some race car driver? Like all these people with stockish civics that HAVE to get a manual. I mean c'mon, it doesn't make you or the car any cooler. Paddle shifters are where it's at, especially on really expensive cars where the shifters shift faster than anyone driving a stick.
Lol ok bro, Bang on my typing great logical attack.
First off Frog had different expectation for this car then I did. So My thought are different then his.
Second off do you see where the fuck I live dumb shit. I am around cars like this 24/7. Not to be cocky or anything.
I never accused frog of lieing. He expected a monster track car and I never did. Second you can't compare this car experince to a 911 or z06 or cayman or gtr or what not. IS the Rs4 a Track monster, NO, IS the C65amg a Track monster, NO! IS the M3 E90 a track monster, NO!
I never said it was blindly fast, but for practical purpose and a fun car. Yes it is.
I am pretty sure Frog is flatter by your E-love for him. He might even give you a cookie.
To all motor, Take some notes from Christian. He knows how to attack.
Who said anything about Corvettes? And I don't think cares that much about straight line speed...look at his sig
x2. I could never be happy without, I don't care if it's faster.
Yea man, I am tired of all of this racer manuel crap. lol
Yea, I mean my car is a stick because it was only made with a 6-spd, but I would prefer a double clutch paddle shifter system over it any day of the week.
Same here. lol Expect it was ethier 4spd auto or 5spd manuel. I chose the 5spd.
Allow me to voice my opinion here.
I drive a conventional manual car. I do like it, but that's probably mostly due to the way I drive it. I enjoy blasting through mountain roads and taking random drives whenever the mood takes me, and a manual gearbox is great for that. I have been stuck in hours of backed up traffic and driven around slow cities, and I realize there is a time and a place for an automatic or automated manual. It really depends on the kind of driving you do.
I believe I can speak for most of us on the forum when I say that we like to drive fast. Now when it comes to driving fast, you can go old school with the conventional manual gearbox with a clutch pedal and gear shifter or you can make a compromise for daily comfort by opting for something with a torque converter or automated clutch. True, they may not be quite up to the level of driving fun, reliability and fuel economy that conventional manuals provide, but in heavy traffic and daily city driving, I'd much rather have something automatic.
I have never driven a car with a good paddle select system like Audi's or BMW's. It seems like a really intriguing concept to me, and until I get the opportunity to drive it, I can't dismiss those systems as being worse than either a conventional manual or a conventional automatic.
Remember also that everyone is entitled to his own opinion. I don't see how a preference for an automatic loses an individual's credibility in a community. He may well know more about cars than all of us do.
Regarding the new E92 M3, I am a HUGE fan. I am also a HUGE fan of the E36 and E46 models as well. To choose favorites, again, I'd have to drive each one. The M3s in the past have always been about handling, and from what I've read about the new one, things are no different. I'd much rather have a car that handles well than an outright fast car in the straights. But as long as it handles well, it doesn't hurt to have a big engine...
B5 RS4 was meant to compete with the super-wagon BMW was building at the time. Built for Autobahn speed. The new RS4's follow that tradition.
C65 AMG is a luxury Benz with a big engine in it.
The M3's started with the E30 and had a tiny little four cylinder that whines it's heart out as you wind it up, it sings when you're running high-RPM's through twisty roads. It was proof that you didn't need a huge engine to go quick. The E30 3-series even had a bigger engine version in the lineup. The M3 was faster. Now we go through the other two generations and watch a progression from the E30 to something more akin to what the RS4 and the AMG stuff has always been. It's not a bad thing for BMW when they look at their sales figures. There's a reason why. However it is a sad day for M3-purists to see the M3 take a position a whole lot closer to what the M5 was, and it's mostly because the cars have all just gotten so much bigger.
Personally, I hope BMW gives us a real 1-series M-version with a four/six or something smaller based more around being light and nimble. Would be a good return to things.
Like I said if I had to choose between a conventional manual and a dual clutch set up for a race car there is no question I would go dual clutch. For pure driving pleasure I cannot comprehend someone calling themselves an enthusiast and not have that direct connection with the vehicle.
I owned my first 240 before you knew what one was kid. I have owned 8 Nissans and was a Nissan technician for a while. You can take your ignorant holier than thou comments a use them to clean the sand out of your vagina.
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lol dude what are you trying to talk about your all over the place. That where the new m3 fits man. With those cars I sayed above. I do agree bmw is more focus on sales then there race pregree. lol
Honestly dude, you must know nada about driving. I'm going to leave it at that because your post had about as much content as that, except it stated no fact. The car is night and day better than an E46 M3 in almost every respect. Besides the Evo E30/E36's which never even came here it's by far my favorite "drivers car" M3 to drive. BMW did it RIGHT with that one sans the curb weight (unless spec'd with carbon roof/manual seats).
Dinan tuned 335 w/ M3 suspension and handling bits FTW
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Ok and how is that suppose to effect me. lol. Why does that matter. LOL
Well I think everyone needs to realize what Frog is basing his comparison on. He drives a 996 and has previous gen 3 series to the e90's. I love how his 3 series handle and they're so nimble and the 996 is a nimble car as well. I haven't driven the e90's yet but I think i would have to believe what Frog is saying until I go drive one myself.
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And about the paddle shifter and clutch battle thing....I personally love having a clutch. I love having a shifter. I feel that I'm in more control and in touch with the car having those two together. I'm even considering getting a Cayenne GTS in stick.
wow, considering one person wrote a personal opinion of their test drive in an E92, why the hell has this turned into a nut hugger (dare I say GTR "style") debate. Everyone is going to have their personal opinion of certain things. Being as he wrote his personal opinion of this car, the correct way to have responded was with constructive criticism if you disagreed. Attacking his knowledge was unnecessary. I personally am not as knowledgeable as some of you about the M3's, so I really can't argue.
But I will state that for feeling and connectivity, I prefer a conventional manual shifter. Not saying it's the best out there and always will be, it's just my preference.
My cousin owns a E92 M3 with paddle shift. It's awesome! I love the way it rev-matches on downshifts, AND there is no way I could upshift that fast... if I did, then I would go through synchros constantly.
I love a stick, but seriously, as I get older, the paddle-shift seems to be just as fun. I've been driving manual cars now for 15 years and it gets kind of tiring sometimes. If my RX-8 had a transmission like the M3, it would be great for that car... it needs it. The RX-8 paddle-shift tranny is not anywhere close to what the M3 is.
It is a shame that cars keep getting heavier, but WOW, does technology ever make them grip and feel so much lighter than they are.
Frog had an expectation of the car that should be expected of an M vehicle. BMW's M division should go back to their roots, which were forged in racing and competition, not luxury and comfort.
I don't give a fuck where you live and what cars you are around. I could go out and buy most of the cars discussed here in this thread short of a 997 turbo. I choose not to because I would like to retire by age 40.
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Well the point that I am trying to make is the M divison has long been away from that. M coupe, M5, M6. Come on now. Look at those cars, lol. They had no intention of turning back to there roots.
They can't go back to their roots without a dedicated chassis. Look at the size and weight of the cars they're building from. Even the E30 M3's had nice luxury for the day. They took the smallest/lightest chassis BMW made and made it stiffer, a bit lighter, more aerodynamic, and put some bigger wheels on it. They they made a wonderous little engine that for the day made serious power, especially in the later Evos. Even if BMW did that same thing to the current 3 series it would still be heavy. They used high tech even back then to overcome things and go faster, that's no different now. They disappoint me with every new M but without a different car they will never get back to a light nimble car.
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Wow, lots of responses.. Oh and I can't read gtrmonkey's
Know nada about driving? Why such provocative post? You don't like the fact that I criticized the M3? I am not the only one who has, and pro drivers have.. Me not liking the car has NOTHING to do with my driving experience or skill level..
There are many reasons why I feel this car did not meet my expectations..
Yes the E92 outperforms the E46.. But at what cost? Just for example (im sure you know), comparing the manual (for fair comparison) the E46 was 4.8 seconds compared to the 4.7 seconds for the E92.. I am sorry, but they easily could of kept their awesome in-line six and improved it to gain that.. Instead, they threw a huge, gas guzzling v8..
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