E92/93 m3 fail

[Frög]

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Wow, lots of responses.. Oh and I can't read gtrmonkey's

Honestly dude, you must know nada about driving. I'm going to leave it at that because your post had about as much content as that, except it stated no fact. The car is night and day better than an E46 M3 in almost every respect. Besides the Evo E30/E36's which never even came here it's by far my favorite "drivers car" M3 to drive. BMW did it RIGHT with that one sans the curb weight (unless spec'd with carbon roof/manual seats).

Know nada about driving? Why such provocative post? You don't like the fact that I criticized the M3? I am not the only one who has, and pro drivers have.. Me not liking the car has NOTHING to do with my driving experience or skill level..

There are many reasons why I feel this car did not meet my expectations..

Yes the E92 outperforms the E46.. But at what cost? Just for example (im sure you know), comparing the manual (for fair comparison) the E46 was 4.8 seconds compared to the 4.7 seconds for the E92.. I am sorry, but they easily could of kept their awesome in-line six and improved it to gain that.. Instead, they threw a huge, gas guzzling v8..

[The Youngn]

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Know nada about driving? Why such provocative post? You don't like the fact that I criticized the M3? I am not the only one who has, and pro drivers have.. Me not liking the car has NOTHING to do with my driving experience or skill level..

There are many reasons why I feel this car did not meet my expectations..

Yes the E92 outperforms the E46.. But at what cost? Just for example (im sure you know), comparing the manual (for fair comparison) the E46 was 4.8 seconds compared to the 4.7 seconds for the E92.. I am sorry, but they easily could of kept their awesome in-line six and improved it to gain that.. Instead, they threw a huge, gas guzzling v8..

Don't worry about his post. Guy said the same thing to me cuz i said the 944 was ugly as hell. Guy went on and on about it being a great track car and blah bah blah and i should be ashamed of myself for owning a Porsche. Just retarded shit cuz I called a car ugly.

[OnURleft]

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Wow, lots of responses.. Oh and I can't read gtrmonkey's



Know nada about driving? Why such provocative post? You don't like the fact that I criticized the M3? I am not the only one who has, and pro drivers have.. Me not liking the car has NOTHING to do with my driving experience or skill level..

There are many reasons why I feel this car did not meet my expectations..

Yes the E92 outperforms the E46.. But at what cost? Just for example (im sure you know), comparing the manual (for fair comparison) the E46 was 4.8 seconds compared to the 4.7 seconds for the E92.. I am sorry, but they easily could of kept their awesome in-line six and improved it to gain that.. Instead, they threw a huge, gas guzzling v8..

Please show me were pro drivers hating on an E92... You should know, it sounds like you read lots of magazine stats, yet you argue so ignorantly with someone who actually goes out and drives these cars on the track, and has been for 5 years now. Keep jerkin' off to that magazine racing....
I was with about 3 professional drivers 2 weeks ago at a private track rental, we brought my family/instructor friends personal E92's out there, with much nicer/more hardcore cars owned by rich guys/club racers and pro drivers . It was the underdog, considering we were running it with the Scruderia, ACR Viper, GT3, 997 Turbo and others. The turn in and overall balance is of the best of its kind, like always and better than it's ever been. It was nothing short of holding its own against the best, the chassis/improved suspension geometry/overall grip and flat out 114mph traps impressed everyone even though it was the cheapest car...

Matter of fact, we ran damn scary close times to his personal E46 M3 race cars.

Don't worry about his post. Guy said the same thing to me cuz i said the 944 was ugly as hell. Guy went on and on about it being a great track car and blah bah blah and i should be ashamed of myself for owning a Porsche. Just retarded shit cuz I called a car ugly.

Nah dude, you said the car felt terrible, when it's one of the most successful club racing cars of all time, not to mention one of the best beginner track cars of all time, along with Miata's and such and best of all, not because of it's price but because of its chassis and balance.

I hated because you own a Porsche and you don't know that. It's people I love to make fun of, so much money GIVEN to you and no brain cells to be found.

[Frög]

Please show me were pro drivers hating on an E92... You should know, it sounds like you read lots of magazine stats, yet you argue so ignorantly with someone who actually goes out and drives these cars on the track, and has been for 5 years now. Keep jerkin' off to that magazine racing....
I was with about 3 professional drivers 2 weeks ago at a private track rental, we brought my family/instructor friends personal E92's out there, with much nicer/more hardcore cars owned by rich guys/club racers and pro drivers . It was the underdog, considering we were running it with the Scruderia, ACR Viper, GT3, 997 Turbo and others. The turn in and overall balance is of the best of its kind, like always and better than it's ever been. It was nothing short of holding its own against the best, the chassis/improved suspension geometry/overall grip and flat out 114mph traps impressed everyone even though it was the cheapest car...

Matter of fact, we ran damn scary close times to his personal E46 M3 race cars.






Nah dude, you said the car felt terrible, when it's one of the most successful club racing cars of all time, not to mention one of the best beginner track cars of all time, along with Miata's and such, not because of it's price but because of it's chassis and balance.

I hated because you own a Porsche and you don't know that. It's people I love to make fun of, so much money and no brain cells to be found.

I really can't believe the attitude you have and how rude you are..

But genius, did I not already acknowledge that the E92 outperformed the E46?

What I am saying is that the car does not feel the same and I prefer the previous models.. I've spoken to pro drivers that feel this way.. Not necessarily from a performance standpoint..

Fuck, you even say it in your profile "BMW M3. The good year"

Go fuck yourself with that attitude, I always thought you seemed like a nice guy.. But you being a dick like you are over me criticizing the M3 is fucking gay..

[OnURleft]

I really can't believe the attitude you have and how rude you are..

But genius, did I not already acknowledge that the E92 outperformed the E46?

What I am saying is that the car does not feel the same and I prefer the previous models..

Fuck, you even say it in your profile "BMW M3. The good year"

Go fuck yourself with that attitude, I always thought you seemed like a nice guy.. But you being a dick like you are over me criticizing the M3 is fucking gay..

I'm not, you're just taking it personally because you don't want to admit you are completely wrong, or you were either on some illicit drug. I am stating the fact, and here is another this thread was POINTLESS. Take it or leave it, I don't care. Your opinion is like a Youtube video post, it is wtf?

The old M3's were great but in todays standard they are what they are, old, outdated, unsafe, overrated.. E30's with Evo conversions are even piss slow stock. If we had a stock E46 M3 out there we would've been absolutely trashed and probably would've had to do solo sessions or stay away from the pack.

My car may be the good M3 in my opinion, and for a track car/occasional street car (what I use it for) it is one of the best in the world for the drieer, but they've been racing it/developing aftermarket for it since 1992, it's won countless autocross/SCCA championships/NASA and even an I.P E36 M3 race car will have to be pushed to run away with an E92 M3, despite it's stock fatass and 900lb weight advantage.

lol ian, quit being arrogant, youngn and frog are just stating their opinions and you tear them apart

Lol maybe I am, oh well, but where I came from kids/friends knew what it meant to be a good car before they were in high school, not after they were in college. I had higher expectations from a Porsche owner, who's apparently been around the world x deux, speaks fifty eleven languages and tracks his car.

[Frög]

I'm not, you're just taking it personally because you don't want to admit you are completely wrong, or you were either on some illicit drug. I am stating the fact, and here is another this thread was POINTLESS. Take it or leave it, I don't care. Your opinion is like a Youtube video post, it is wtf?

The old M3's were great but in todays standard they are what they are, old, outdated, unsafe, overrated.. E30's with Evo conversions are even piss slow stock. If we had a stock E46 M3 out there we would've been absolutely trashed and probably would've had to do solo sessions or stay away from the pack.

My car may be the good M3 in my opinion, and for a track car/occasional street car (what I use it for) it is one of the best in the world for the drieer, but they've been racing it/developing aftermarket for it since 1992, it's won countless autocross/SCCA championships/NASA and even an I.P E36 M3 race car will have to be pushed to run away with an E92 M3, despite it's stock fatass and 900lb weight advantage.

You keep looking at it from a performance standpoint.. I hate the fact that BMW went with a bulky v8.. They can make that power/weight ratio easily out of a 6 cylinder..

[OnURleft]

You keep looking at it from a performance standpoint.. I hate the fact that BMW went with a bulky v8.. They can make that power/weight ratio easily out of a 6 cylinder..

The only M motor that is lighter then the 4.0 V8 is the S14, which is a 4 cylinder. The cars have carbon roofs now as an option, no spares, as well as more technology to reduce un-sprung weight and you can still spec it with cloth seats which puts it at an almost identical weight to a loaded 46 with a full tank of gas.

You keep looking at it from a performance standpoint

power/weight
out of a 6 cylinder

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Not going to lie, Mercedes did the C63 right. You could even argue it's night and day better than any AMG to date, although most of their new products are such an improvement.
I am fortunate enough to have a buddy who has a C300 Sport and that is a damn good/beautiful car.

[The Youngn]

Nah dude, you said the car felt terrible, when it's one of the most successful club racing cars of all time, not to mention one of the best beginner track cars of all time, along with Miata's and such and best of all, not because of it's price but because of its chassis and balance.

I hated because you own a Porsche and you don't know that. It's people I love to make fun of, so much money GIVEN to you and no brain cells to be found.

What you don't realize is that people have opinions that vary from your's. Not sure whether you noticed or not yet either but I drive a Cayman and when i jumped into my friend's 944T that i drove, it didn't really compared to what I'm used to driving. My car is much more balanced and a lot more nimble. You're going to argue that I haven't driven a real race built one since you're supposed to be all hardcore track driver and shit but I don't give a fuck. My car's not built at all and feels much better than the 944.

Just because I own a Porsche doesn't mean I research every detail about every car they ever made. I don't like the 944, pretty evident. If I don't like the car, why would I waste my time and research the hell out of it like you do? You're also making yourself out to be very ignorant with your whole "money GIVEN" argument. For a person to bring that up only means they're jealous so go forth with that one. I do and have owned other businesses in which make money for myself, just in case you want to assume that a person my age HAS to have rich parents. Look who's always bragging about racing M3s all over the place. I'm pretty sure you're not funding that car and all the parts that go into it for racing through your valet job you spoke of before. So lets put that together and can only positively assume that you're GIVEN some of these things to race with.