when your getting ON the track it will prompt you. not when your in the parking lot of the track. and it doesnt have all the tracks just nissan approved tracks. and road atlanta is not one of them. since i know three guys that when up for a track day all at one. RA with three R35s running around. 1 full track car 1 a serious track preped car and 1 bone stock. they were never prompted by the Navi system.Originally Posted by ISAtlanta300
The G Spot Hero
"Nitrous is like a hot girl with STDS, you know you want to hit it but your afraid of the consequences."
I lol'd when I saw a GTR run RA.
why because a bone stock on all-seaons run flats ran a 1:36 lol
The G Spot Hero
"Nitrous is like a hot girl with STDS, you know you want to hit it but your afraid of the consequences."
I know that you love the GTR,but it is what it is. THE TRANSMISSION IS JUNK!!!!What company would advertise how fast there car is on the track,but if you drive on the track ,your warranty is voided...The old R34, R33 & R32 didn't had tran failure..I dont even thing a supra cost that much back then,but there transmission don't fail .Then they know the problem but will not improve it!!!!Come on,who is going to spend so much money,an not drive it hard....Your paying for a sports car,not a m3,amg benz or something..A dam mustang transmission is stronger then that ,lolu got me about the z06, i knew it was one of them vettes..
vdc off, isnt the issue either, its the repeated launch with it off... Ive done the reading the first time about this, and all the people that ive read, that have had the gtr issues. Have came from driving the hell out of it, and it breaking. You buy a 80k car, and you beat on it, you can afford to fix a 80K car.. its simple. thats why i own what i own..lol
92 mx3
^ wow you stupid
The G Spot Hero
"Nitrous is like a hot girl with STDS, you know you want to hit it but your afraid of the consequences."
X2
If They Can Drop That Much Cash For That Type Of Car..They Would Not Care About Warranty...
If you honestly think that because someone can afford an $80K car that they don't care about having to replace a $30K transmission out of pocket, you are out of your goddamn mind
the warranty isn't voided, if u don't get the maintenanced after ur track adventure, than it is. I don't think its a issue with the tranny being weak. but with 500hp, constant hard launches will do damage to any trans. its not like gtrs are dropping trannies left and right. some folks fucked their trannies up having fun, showing off. nissan has found a way to monitor the situation. if iever bought a gtr I wouldn't worry about it personally. if u crack open a manual to any car it will have a long list of things that the car can do, that will void the warranty.
Im not going to read through this thread, but here is my take, and I believe most true car enthusiasts would agree:
I can't believe car enthusiast would defend Nissan in this case.. I like Nissan as a whole, but the GTR is complete FAIL..
This is the BEGINNING of the END of automobile sporting and enjoyment..
You can't bring your high performance sports car to a racetrack? WTF is this?
Porsche, Ferrari, etc.. WANT you to bring your car to the track.. The whole PCA community is centered around racing.. They have events where you bring your car to racetracks (Road Atlanta, etc..) and TEACH YOU how to race it!
You guys that defend Nissan are either (a) complete driving noobs and drive like Asian grandmas, (b) not true car enthusiasts, or (c) completely blinded Nissan fan boys.. Maybe a combination of the three.. But sadly, a lot of you are true car enthusiasts and know how to drive, you just are blinded Nissan fan boys.. Remember: "Love is blind"..
Here is the Porsche Club of America calendar for Georgia ONLY and for April-May ONLY.. Note that EVERY driver education is to teach you how to drive YOUR car around the racetrack/autocross track, and keep in mind that EVERY one of those events is in YOUR personal daily driven (or w/e) Porsche with FULL WARRANTY which is still upheld..
(deleted all social events, just kept the racing)
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Racing goes hand in hand with a true sports car manufacturer.. This should not be limited at the professional level either, and should be brought down to the customer.. Obviously, that cannot be said about Nissan..
How can you buy a car that you cannot take to the limits? The only selling point of a car for me is whether it gives me that adrenaline rush with its performance.. Where are you going to get that with a GTR? In the streets? No thanks..
Im not even getting into the other BS VDC and liability of the car.. I really don't want to because it infuriates me even more, and the worst part: Some people defend Nissan.. I just kept it about the racing, manufacturer & customer relationship..
I know I said I wouldn't get into this argument, but I read the post above mine.. Here we go:
Weird.. Porsche trannies somehow hold up..
Yes they are.. There should be ZERO issues to begin with, and if there were any: warranty should cover it..
huh yeah.. Whats wrong with that? Whats your point here? You aren't supposed to have fun with you high performance sports car? The high performance car isn't built tough enough to handle the high performance driving? I think you are missing the point here.. The GTR isn't a PT cruiser, its a car that is supposedly meant for this..
If your GT3/GT2/Turbo tranny breaks during the warranty, Porsche will cover it.. It will do so whether its your DD or your weekend car you just happen to track every weekend.. I mean, those damn PCA's events are always pushing you to take your high performance sports car on the racetrack.. Who can resist?
You know, its not HOW and WHERE you drive the car that should entail the warranty's specifics, but the MILES and YEARS after the purchase that should determine it, regardless of how hard you drive it or where you race it.. Also, modding a car should void a warranty, but driving a car like it is meant to be driven (ie not like a fucking Asian grandma) should NOT..
God damn it.. I did it.. I got into the BS argument I didn't want to.. I just had to respond to that post..
For A Car They Don't Really Need...Yes. They Could Have Got A Kia LOL
You sir....type worse then my 7 year old niece. If you want someone to take what you say seriously, learn to type properly. And if you say it's not important because it's the internets....i'll laugh in your general direction again.
Oh...and by the way. The M3 and the AMG Benz ARE sports cars. Both are from the tuning divisions of the companies that put them out.
See....maybe if you typed your response better, I might not have dived so deep into the goofiness of your post.
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Forged cars out there was SLOW AS FUCKBut the driver also didn't seem that great. It's the GTR, should run faster then a 1:36...I mean it's god, that's IT car speed.
As for the Porsche talk, hell Porsche brings parts to the track in case you need something
bone stock with all-season runs flats. really thats slow. what should it be running then. the stock car was a forged car. but the other two were koni challenge carsForged cars out there was SLOW AS FUCK
The G Spot Hero
"Nitrous is like a hot girl with STDS, you know you want to hit it but your afraid of the consequences."
Yea i don't see a problem if you bring the car to a track and run the nuts off of it, have a problem, and bring it to nissan only for them to say well thats your bad. Because that makes perfect sense,
but i do see a problem with the launch control being used off of a race track, because if they are going to install an option they can be turned off/on with the flick of a switch, (which is one of the major selling points of the car), and then something goes wrong, there is a problem
thats porsche/ferrari this is nissan.... when porsche/ferrari makes a 500hp awd for 80k... than we can compare the 2...so all that u wrote doest mean anything.
A friend of mines boxster s tranny broke twice!!, and the new one is on its way out with the same symptoms.
and the transmissions are not dropping out of the cars left and right from driving with the vdc. All this tranny talk comes from 1 GUY that posted on the gtr forums about his issues...and the world stamped the trannies as junk..
No they weren't. Whoever was driving the Forged car needs lessons.bone stock with all-season runs flats. really thats slow. what should it be running then. the stock car was a forged car. but the other two were koni challenge cars
This post has to be for the lawls.
I can't imagine anyone being on this low a level.
They could get 3 Kia's for the price of the tranny alone
yes yes it was bone stock with all-season runflats sorry simon i put them on when i did the springs
The G Spot Hero
"Nitrous is like a hot girl with STDS, you know you want to hit it but your afraid of the consequences."
Hope you are kidding!
First: Who is the one who started comparing Nissan with Porsche? Nissan!
Second: When you look a little more into it, you find out that (a) its BS, (b) if true its at cost of reliability. You can't just compare performance and not other aspects of the car!!!!!!!
Third: So im going to make a car that has awesome performance at the cost of reliability? Sorry, but Porsche charging 30k more for their turbo is worth it in my book.. Imagine the headache and the additional out-of-pocket expenses! With Porsche, you know if something goes, they will pay.. A GTR owner has a lot of uncertainty about this, and I hope we all know, uncertainty = risk = higher initial cost.. So the GTR really isn't cheaper in the long run..
To conclude: We all know our trusted little rule, how could we have been duped in believing that the GTR was all that good?
Powerful, reliable, cheap.. Pick two
Porsche are powerful and reliable so they aren't cheap.. The way it should be, which is much better than Nissan's take where the GTR is powerful and cheap but unreliable..
First: At how many miles did this happen? This is not even part of the argument, as far as I know, it has NEVER happened with a car that had as little miles as the GTR, AND if it has PORSCHE would pay for the tranny if it was under warranty, would Nissan? NO! Im sure it had a lot of miles and out of warranty.. We are arguing this simple fact! How can anyone veer from that?!?!?
Warranty + broken tranny = manufacturer pay
NO warranty + broken tranny = customer pay
Nissan doesn't seem to get that concept.. VDC should not void the warranty either.. Can't argue that..
Second: Why are we comparing a Boxster S tranny to a GTR's? I know a friend that has a 350z and has had MANY problems and is on his second tranny.. This is a KNOWN issue for 350z's manual tranny.. What does this have to do with the GTR failing?
Last time I read up on it, more people came in with the same problem.. The guys that had blown trannies were trying to get together against Nissan.. This is not an isolated case as I recall.. Only 1 guy?
Why is this ^ plural?
Why is this ^ plural?
Like I said, I didn't want to get into the VDC / tranny argument..
Just keep it to my first post in response to the OP of the thread, MORE STUPID GTR WARRANTY BS.. This is arguing that the GTR = FAIL because you should be able to take your high performance sports car ANYWHERE you please and drive it HOWEVER hard you please without voiding the warranty.. Here argue with this (yes I quoted myself):
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Like said many times in this thread, this is fallacy!!! You have a 4 k car, you can afford to fix it, yes.. You have a 80k car, you can't afford to fix it out of pocket if its out of warranty!!?! A 4k car's tranny is cheap, a 80k's car tranny is exponentially higher! That why they have warranties! If not, they wouldn't have them..
Stop comparing Porsche to Nissan.
The GTR is 80k for a reason, and the 997 Turbo is 140k for a reason. Nissan targeted the 997 Turbo and met their goal of beating its ring times causing the hype....but unfortunately at the consumer's cost. The consumer now buys a car that is very fast for the money and is faster than almost anything on the street, but will not come anywhere near the ring times the "test" GTR Nissan used, even if Chuck Norris drove it.
Are GTR owners happy with the car? Of course they are! That was never the question. How can you not be happy with an 80k car that is faster than 95% of street driven cars? The problem here is you claim the car can perform like it's advertised, when it clearly hasn't.
Here's a reality check buddy, a fella that can only afford an 80k car doesn't necessarily mean they can afford 20k transmissions out of pocket. That type of capability Enzo, F40, and Veyron owners will most likely have for example, but a person having to take a loan out for 80k, or having to refin and take equity out of his home as the only method of paying for a GTR will take a big financial hit with a 20k transmission.
I own Porsches and have driven several GTR's. The respect is there for the car, but I can't believe the extents Nissan has gone to enforce the warranty.
all this has been answered before in the past.. and im not going to repeat myself for the thousandth time... its a waste.Hope you are kidding!
First: Who is the one who started comparing Nissan with Porsche? Nissan!
Second: When you look a little more into it, you find out that (a) its BS, (b) if true its at cost of reliability. You can't just compare performance and not other aspects of the car!!!!!!!
Third: So im going to make a car that has awesome performance at the cost of reliability? Sorry, but Porsche charging 30k more for their turbo is worth it in my book.. Imagine the headache and the additional out-of-pocket expenses! With Porsche, you know if something goes, they will pay.. A GTR owner has a lot of uncertainty about this, and I hope we all know, uncertainty = risk = higher initial cost.. So the GTR really isn't cheaper in the long run..
To conclude: We all know our trusted little rule, how could we have been duped in believing that the GTR was all that good?
Powerful, reliable, cheap.. Pick two
Porsche are powerful and reliable so they aren't cheap.. The way it should be, which is much better than Nissan's take where the GTR is powerful and cheap but unreliable..
First: At how many miles did this happen? This is not even part of the argument, as far as I know, it has NEVER happened with a car that had as little miles as the GTR, AND if it has PORSCHE would pay for the tranny if it was under warranty, would Nissan? NO! Im sure it had a lot of miles and out of warranty.. We are arguing this simple fact! How can anyone veer from that?!?!?
Warranty + broken tranny = manufacturer pay
NO warranty + broken tranny = customer pay
Nissan doesn't seem to get that concept.. VDC should not void the warranty either.. Can't argue that..
Second: Why are we comparing a Boxster S tranny to a GTR's? I know a friend that has a 350z and has had MANY problems and is on his second tranny.. This is a KNOWN issue for 350z's manual tranny.. What does this have to do with the GTR failing?
Last time I read up on it, more people came in with the same problem.. The guys that had blown trannies were trying to get together against Nissan.. This is not an isolated case as I recall.. Only 1 guy?
Why is this ^ plural?
Why is this ^ plural?
Like I said, I didn't want to get into the VDC / tranny argument..
Just keep it to my first post in response to the OP of the thread, MORE STUPID GTR WARRANTY BS.. This is arguing that the GTR = FAIL because you should be able to take your high performance sports car ANYWHERE you please and drive it HOWEVER hard you please without voiding the warranty.. Here argue with this (yes I quoted myself):
simple facts:
it says in the manual if u do this the tranny will suffer damage.. and we will not honor the warranty. Its no secret.. follow the break in procedure, and it will be fine. I have read the forums, and the complaints. And the only people who are making an uproar are a the non GTR owners/auto forums. Its not what everyone wanted, to be able to buy a godzilla, and be a street racing king.. and go doing burnouts, and awd launches at the stop lights.. and go tracking it all weekend, and expect nissan to fix it when the trans acts funny.
You can sit here and say you can do this to one car and it wont do this...and nissan should do this because this company does this, all day and it doesnt mean anything. Gtr is far from a cheap car.. the way i see it, the GTR will continue to be nit picked until a new one is released. Just like the R34 was a fat overweight pig, until the gtr was released..
Just because one or two guys broke a tranny doesn't mean that ALL gtr's tranny is garbage.
And maybe porsche's warranty on their cars are better, they also cost a hell of a lot more. In addition to the cost, porsche also has decades of racing heritage/r&d which goes into each car and porsche itself seems to be primarily a sports car manufacturer rather than an all-purpose auto manufacturer liek nissan. Even the cayenne's perform great. No on here is saying porsche's are bad...
But considering that for its price, there is ONLY 1 other car that competes with the gtr(the vette), I would say it's great car. As I've said earlier, if you don't think so then you haven't gone 0-60 in 3.5 seconds.
I saw a gtr last night and damn they are sexy. Boxsters are ugly, although the new boxsters look nice!
I'm saying no there wasn't a KC car.yes yes it was bone stock with all-season runflats sorry simon i put them on when i did the springs
ATTN: The GTR trans issue has been resolved. A weak 1st gear was the problem and an aftermarket company has come out with a heavy duty 1st.
There GTR currently hold the record at 10.4 at 132
http://www.orlandoforums.com/forum/s...77#post1650277
a 10 sec gtr
I know Civics that run 9's for under half the price.
I know sephias that run 9's for half of that price...lolI know Civics that run 9's for under half the price.
yes there was. we were working on them at forged the week before they all went up to RA. simon stop talking about what you dont know. sorry i was there IRL. not your fantasy land.
The G Spot Hero
"Nitrous is like a hot girl with STDS, you know you want to hit it but your afraid of the consequences."
Attn: Nissan hasnt fixed the problem with a recall. this is a aftermarket fix. so in reality ITS NOT FIXED!!!
The G Spot Hero
"Nitrous is like a hot girl with STDS, you know you want to hit it but your afraid of the consequences."
good for you. its still a civic. why are you so proud of that...I know Civics that run 9's for under half the price.
The G Spot Hero
"Nitrous is like a hot girl with STDS, you know you want to hit it but your afraid of the consequences."
Really? So where is this Koni Challenge series GTR? I know a shit load more then you, considering I work around it 24/7 it's my job. It was at RA? Hmmm when? lol.
its been a few months
The G Spot Hero
"Nitrous is like a hot girl with STDS, you know you want to hit it but your afraid of the consequences."
I work for Road Atlanta, I didn't know Grand Am made a GTR legal in the series, and definitely saw no Koni Challenge GTR on track, so when was this lala day you speak of? Or was it in Forza?
I hope you aren't talking about that ugly ass slow green POS.
yeah there was a green one. and simon you have no taste in cars.
The G Spot Hero
"Nitrous is like a hot girl with STDS, you know you want to hit it but your afraid of the consequences."
*grabs popcorn*
Lets get ready to RUMMMBBBBBLLLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
please leave... as in leave IA... forever.
The G Spot Hero
"Nitrous is like a hot girl with STDS, you know you want to hit it but your afraid of the consequences."
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