Shabby "old" BMW. A fast Camero. Respect them all

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I beg to differ!

One of the reasons I signed up here was to see if people call me a "straight line redneck" and other crap like that.

My time has been surprisingly pleasant. The ricers, jdm-tyte folk, 9 second supras, 13 second civics, all seem to co-exist pretty well with (percieved) "pro-domestic" folks like me.

I think a lot of people like you just push on with the "import owners hate domestic owners" sentiment and it lives on un-necessarily.

Its also important to notice that cars are changing these days. Most japanese cars are about the same as their american counterparts although there are a few that are different. You still have those zippy zoom zoom Mazdas but thats not even fully japanese anymore.

Call me a one-man-revolution, but I think the light-underpower-tossable Japanese car VS heavy-overpowered-cushy-American car argument is DEAD unless you use an IROC and an M3 to compare.

-Ram
(PSSST: FWD drag racing is still LAME! )

I have to disagree here. There are some awesome American cars out there that are in no way what they use to be and they are catching up but I.M.O they still hold their reputation as bigger, cushier cars that can't deal with change of direction, have dated suspension and big ole' motors. If you look in most new magazine tests you can see evidence for this in all types of comapro's from S.U.V's, hatches to sedans. There are exceptions like the new Cobalt SS (best handling fwd car in the world), new Vette's, Vipers, most new Caddies are descent need a lot more then their euro/japanese competitors to compete.

Your right, the argument is more vague with new technology but there are still perfect examples. A Euro E36 M3 in 1997 did the ring in 8:21, and it took GM 12 years to match that in a coupe with back seats and it needed 6.2 liters 430hp and what 275's 295's to match that time with the new Camaro. Cars like Mustangs and Holdens are running times comparble to most sub 220hp hatch backs.
Regardless it dosn't really matter..As I said for each there is your own. What i'm trying to say is everyone may be fast at what THEY do but we should appreciate the different types of "FAST" our cars may have, regardless if it's a class leading 170hp Subie autox car or a Mustang that can do the 1/8th in the 6's N.A if we really are car enthusiasts. Their all sick.

It takes just as much skill to build and race a drag car, as it does to build and race a road racer.

the road race/AutoX/SCCa thing is alot easier to get into and more like a budget racer type of tihng. Which appeals to our crowd.. young adults with limited funds. And drag racing is expenesive, and it costs money to get down the track and to make that power needed to get those 1/4 mile times. it takes money to win at the road track, but you can take a 500$ econobox get some good rubber, and go to the track and run and have a blast! its almost a endless battle, some people have the simple mind set, about certain cars and their abilities.. its kind of sad.

It actually isn't cheaper and to think that it is sort of ridiculous. Brakes, tires, worn suspension parts, fluids all need to be in perfect working order and fresh each day you race which is very expensive. Your floored for a few seconds on a drag strip and for 20-30-60 minutes at a time on a track. You'll spend lots more money on a road racing car, hence why the class of people who do road race is sometimes perceived as "elite" and why so many people assume tracking a car is way to expensive for them and out of reach....Top fuel drag teams spend millions, formula one teams spend many billions