V-tech sucks too...
stupid phones...
V-tech sucks too...
stupid phones...
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It doesn't suck, it's just a buzzkill to have an engine that can't do **** until you hit 5k.Originally Posted by BABY J
I think dieselnuts had the best sig... lol
something along the lines of... Vtec is like waiting for really bad sex...
(i'm not saying vtec is bad, but I think it is a little over-rated and people get their hopes up and it disappoints them when they test drive it. Most ppl get the idea that a stock engine with vtec throws them back in the seat when it hits... just my .02)
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Exactly, vtec is so overrated. It's cool and all, but everyone forgets that the engine is completely gutless before it hits, and even when it does it's still slow. 95% of the Hondas on here are slow as balls, they're just fun to drive.
LIRL @ your retardism...gtfo----------------------------->
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lol at sig
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that wasn't me making that statement. my comp was messing up. i was making a comment to who ever made that statement.
LOL... hey jmar... sammich and banzored are the same...
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VTEC was designed to maximize power and efficiency of a small displacement motor. This is how they make a N/A 2.0l make 237 hp and so on and so fourth with the other motors. Its Hondas design of variable valve timing, it just so happens to be in many peoples opinion the best design. Im not sittin here bein like VTAAACK FO' LIFFEE!!! im just sayin my
courtesy of whoever posted this before I stole it.
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I know it's a good design, but a lot of idiots think VTAK makes their Honda fast, and it probably isn't at all. Nice s2k btw.VTEC was designed to maximize power and efficiency of a small displacement motor. This is how they make a N/A 2.0l make 237 hp and so on and so fourth with the other motors. Its Hondas design of variable valve timing, it just so happens to be in many peoples opinion the best design. Im not sittin here bein like VTAAACK FO' LIFFEE!!! im just sayin my
LOL I've been negative repped by so many people! I'm glad I could care less about being "cool" here. I drive a nissan so I don't expect to fit in. This thread must've gotten to a lot of people, truth hurts...
my opinion
in my opinion..vtec & supra's hav one of the best sounding motors in the world i've ever heard.
LOL I have started chaos. Don't get me wrong people, I have respect for all makes. But everyone has to admit that VTEC sucks. It simply sucks. PERIOD. Before I bought my max I wanted a civic si to start modding. But after driving one, I was EXTREMELY disappointed. I could never own a 4 cylinder car unless it was turboed. And I never bought my maxima to go fast, I just think it looks good and it's a little quick. I'm not saying my car is fast, it is not. Honda's are great cars, they're cheap, reliable, and can be fast. But so are Toyota's and Nissan's.
noo... they are engines. not motors.lol
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so why is Detroit Motor city?noo... they are engines. not motors.
same reason the top of my valve cover in my civic says honda motor company
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Im gonna get a honda as my project car eventually i have a 2006 nissan sentra ser now honda's arent played out.
vtec is overrated but id wouldnt own a honda w/o it
*CONTRACTION*
I'D = I WOULD...
YOU WOULD AND YOU WOULDNT? EXPLAIN
VTEC isnt over rated in my car
ha nice didnt know that
s2k's are quick!
My CRX didn't have VTEC and would walk 5.0's B16 CRX's, etc ALL DAY.
hmm
in conversation..we say motor instead of engine..it sounds easier..noo... they are engines. not motors.
Hey, what you got under that hood?
...I gotta d15 motor but my daily driver has a nsx motor in a rex chassis
??? why would you have a d15 in the car you are talkin about but an nsx motor in a rex chasis for your daily? you are backwards sir. lol jk
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You wave the Nissan flag so confidently but you prolly dont even know that Nissan has VTEC too.
To the rest of you Vtec haters.
Honda was the first to mass produce a variable valve system in cars in the mid 80's. The B16 that was used in Group A as a homoligation motor and that technology is now 23 years old.
Most of you only look at straight line and highway street racingfor a cars overall. Instead, look at how Honda builds a type R vehicle from the get go. Balance is above all else. In those days, Honda's package was the best in the world. For years it was the 4AG in the Corolla vs the B16 in the Civic. The key in a Vtec system is how aggressive the set up is. You can get much more aggressive cams and build a a setup that makes power all the way to 10,000 rpm. It is potential and most of the quys on the street cant get it so they talk sh!t.
aha
aha you like my setup eh? aha good eye it'd be even crazier if my d15 was faster then the nsx motor in my rex.??? why would you have a d15 in the car you are talkin about but an nsx motor in a rex chasis for your daily? you are backwards sir. lol jk
That was then. This is now.You wave the Nissan flag so confidently but you prolly dont even know that Nissan has VTEC too.
To the rest of you Vtec haters.
Honda was the first to mass produce a variable valve system in cars in the mid 80's. The B16 that was used in Group A as a homoligation motor and that technology is now 23 years old.
Most of you only look at straight line and highway street racing
Honda used to care about the enthusiast and make some really fun cars.
CRX
Civic with a REAL suspension
Del Sol
Prelude
Intergra
ITR (maybe the best FWD sporty car ever)
S2000 (will not be replaced)
NSX (discontinued)
Like Toyota, they now sell giant sedans and SUVs galore. It seems to me that people TODAY buy them based on PAST accomplishments.
Vtec doesn't suck, the OP should read about it. What does suck are the people that think its a turbo or act like it adds 500hp or something.
I do believe the first Honda to have Vtec was the NSX right? Today just about every car brand has some sort of variable valve timing.
Vossen CV3 20x9 & 20x10.5
Nissan=VVT=variable valve timing
Honda-vtec=variable valve timing and electronic control(i think?)
mitsubishi=mivec=mitsubishi innovative valve timing electronic control system
Last edited by RL...; 08-21-2008 at 12:52 AM.
VTEC= VVTELC
Variable Valve Timing and Electronic Lift Control
Yes, but there are exceptions. I feel we are better today than we were 3 years ago. The new Civic Si is a good car and the CTR is an incredible car.
And with the S2000 going away, i really hope this new front engined NSX is all it is cracked up to be.
since you know it all.Nissan=VVT=variable valve timing
Honda-vtec=variable valve timing and electronic control(i think?)
mitsubishi=mivec=mitsubishi innovative valve timing electronic control system
so what is REV?
Forgot Toyota's variable timing.
"I'm not a gynecologist... but I'll take a look."
GM has/had VVT
I WIN!Forgot Toyota's variable timing.
VVT Implementations
* Aftermarket Modifications - Conventional hydraulic tappet can be engineered to rapidly bleed-down for variable reduction of valve opening and duration.
* Alfa Romeo Twin Spark - TS stands for "Twinspark" engine, it is equipped with Variable Valve Timing technology.
* BMW
o Valvetronic - Provides continuously variable lift for the intake valves; used in conjunction with Double VANOS.
o VANOS - Varies intake timing by rotating the camshaft in relation to the gear.
o Double VANOS - Continuously varies the timing of the intake and exhaust valves.
* Ford Variable Cam Timing - Varies valve timing by rotating the camshaft.
* DaimlerChrysler - Varies valve timing through the use of concentric camshafts developed by Mechadyne enabling dual-independent inlet/exhaust valve adjustment on the 2008 Dodge Viper.
* GM
o VVT - Varies valve timing continuously throughout the RPM range for both intake and exhaust for improved performance in both overhead valve and overhead cam engine applications.(See also Northstar System).
o DCVCP (Double Continuous Variable Cam Phasing) - Varies intake and exhaust camshaft timing continuously with hydraulic vane type phaser (see also Ecotec LE5).
o Alloytec - Continuously variable camshaft phasing for inlet cams. Continuously variable camshaft phasing for inlet cams and exhaust cams (High Output Alloytec).
* Honda
o VTEC - Varies duration, timing and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
o i-VTEC - In high-output DOHC 4 cylinder engines the i-VTEC system adds continuous intake cam phasing (timing) to traditional VTEC. In economy oriented SOHC and DOHC 4 cylinder engines the i-VTEC system increases engine efficiency by delaying the closure of the intake valves under certain conditions and by using an electronically controlled throttle valve to reduce pumping loss. In SOHC V6 engines the i-VTEC system is used to provide Variable Cylinder Management which deactivates one bank of 3 cylinders during low demand operation.
o VTEC-E - Unlike most VTEC systems VTEC-E is not a cam switching system, instead it uses the VTEC mechanism to allow for a lean intake charge to be used by closing one intake valve under certain conditions.
* Hyundai MPI CVVT - Varies power, torque, exhaust system, and engine response.
* Kawasaki - Varies position of cam by changing oil pressure thereby advancing and retarding the valve timing, 2008 Concours 14.
* Lexus VVT-iE - Continuously varies the intake camshaft timing using an electric actuator.
* Mazda S-VT - Varies timing by rotating the camshaft.
* Mitsubishi MIVEC - Varies valve timing, duration and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes. The 4B1 engine series uses a different variant of MIVEC which varies timing (phase) of both intake and exhaust camshafts continuously.
* Nissan
o N-VCT - Varies the rotation of the cam(s) only, does not alter lift or duration of the valves.
o VVL - Varies timing, duration, and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by using two different sets of cam lobes.
o CVTC introduced with the HR15DE, HR16DE, MR18DE and MR20DE new engines in September 2004 on the Nissan Tiida and North American version named Nissan Versa (in 2007); and finally the Nissan Sentra (in 2007).
o VVEL introduced with the VQ37VHR Nissan VQ engine engine in 2007 on the Infiniti G37.
* Porsche
o VarioCam - Varies intake timing by adjusting tension of a cam chain.
o VarioCam Plus - Varies intake valve timing by rotating the cam in relation to the cam sprocket as well as duration, timing and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
* Proton Campro CPS - Varies intake valve timing and lift by switching between 2 sets of cam lobes without using rocker arms as in most variable valve timing systems. Debuted in the 2008 Proton Gen-2 CPS[2][3] and the 2008 Proton Waja CPS.
* PSA Peugeot Citroën CVVT - Continuous variable valve timing.
* Renault Clio 182, Clio Cup and Clio V6 Mk2 VVT - variable valve timing.
* Rover VVC - Varies timing with an eccentric disc.
* Suzuki - VVT - Suzuki M engine
* Subaru
o AVCS - Varies timing (phase) with hydraulic pressure, used on turbocharged and six-cylinder Subaru engines.
o AVLS - Varies duration, timing and lift by switching between two different sets of cam lobes (similar to Honda VTEC). Used by non-turbocharged Subaru engines.
* Toyota
o VVT - Toyota 4A-GE 20-Valve engine introduced VVT in the 1992 Corolla GT-versions.
o VVT-i - Continuously varies the timing of the intake camshaft, or both the intake and exhaust camshafts (depending on application).
o VVTL-i - Continuously varies the timing of the intake valves. Varies duration, timing and lift of the intake and exhaust valves by switching between two different sets of cam lobes.
* Volkswagen & Audi - VVT introduced with later revisions of the 1.8t engine. Similar to VarioCam, the intake timing intentionally runs advanced and a retard point is calculated by the ECU. A hydraulic tensioner retards the intake timing.
* Volvo - CVVT
* Yamaha - VCT (Variable Cam Timing) Varies position of cam thereby advancing and retarding the valve timing.
Proton - VVT introduced in the Waja 1.8's F4P renault engine (toyota supplies the VVT to renault)
I MISS MY HONDA
lol @ ej. He tries so hard to win arguements on here, even when I'm not argueing. Wow, you can copy and paste data...
you started an arguement cause you basically asked why people drove Hondas...thas just stupid man
Copy and paste ftw. You think he's really gon re-type all of that?
Lol, of course i copy and pasted that. Why would i ever spend 30 mins typing that?
And, most of the time, no one wins an argument on here, they just move on to other threads and dont get there feelings hurt.
Again, go learn something before you try to make me look like the noob.
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