A shop screwed up.....

[EmminoDaGreat]

ps3 + HDMI = SUCCESS

[AznTraitor]

Correction Heroes isnt in 1080P , but the movies are.

Im Downloading Saw IV and 310 to Yuma now.

I got I AM LEGEND if anyone wants it

I'll take anything you can get me! I'm out here in Arkansas for another month and need something to watch!!

[ueyedgr8tness]

I am sry but i got to ask a ? am i hearing that he cancel cc payment to u guy's?

[VegetaRules]

I am sry but i got to ask a ? am i hearing that he cancel cc payment to u guy's?

You couldn't tell by Tracy's constant mentioning of it. lol She's repeated that fact about 6 times. lol She's definately is pissed about it & rightfully so.....Vegeta

[ueyedgr8tness]

You couldn't tell by Tracy's constant mentioning of it. lol She's repeated that fact about 6 times. lol She's definately is pissed about it & rightfully so.....Vegeta

I mean desi is kewl and all i no him.But no matter what happen if a shop spent there time working and tunning a car for him.They need to get $ and i don't agree with that shi* at all that is very disturbing to me and it makes me look at ppl alot different when they do some shi* like that.

[MIKE.P]

scott works at topspeed so why would tracy be pissed about it?? or am i missing something??

[TIGERJC]

scott works at topspeed so why would tracy be pissed about it?? or am i missing something??

scott worked at batlground when this happened and Now the suby CC company is disputing the charge for him. More than likely tracy is getting a headache, B/c I know she is trying to prove to them that Batlground should not lose the money.

[UpSideDownDesi]

I'm not sure what you "proved me wrong on..." and I don't appreciate being called a liar. You knew full well that there were problems with the car, you knew what the afr's were the whole time, nothing was kept/hidden/lied about.

USDD and all - as this was 3 months and a bunch of cars ago, I don't remember every detail. Looking through the PM's shows that we spoke of a known boost control issue. You have been told all along that there were issues with the car that required changing EM to get right. The previous owner didn't want to spend the money because he was just selling it. The first time you and I met, you didn't want to put the money in because you were planning on selling it. Every time you have asked someone who knows the car you have gotten the same answer, and refused to listen to it.

There is a REASON that the car is so rich, and there is/was not an efficient way to diagnose it with the UTEC installed.

I'd have been happy to continue working on it with you, but as I have said all along, nothing was owed to you, so it can't have been free...

I thought we were in agreement that it wasn't worth continuing to put time and money into the UTEC.

It really comes down to this:

You have a problem car. We worked on your problems. You paid for the work that was done. Then you decided that you should either get more work for free, or get your money back. Neither is an option.

I'm not sure what your plan for all this is. You haven't contacted me in 3 months, then you decide to do it publicly. You state in a public forum that you have a lousy tune. You ask "the world in general" what it will cost to fix an unknown problem...

Tuning is not magic. The only thing that is remotely "magical" is the experiences a tuner has that give him an idea where to go to fix a problem, and when to stop trying to tune out a mechanical issue. Once there are no problems the rest is just calibration - tweaking the input to get the right output. The map that you came in with had more fuel in it than the map you left with.

When we started dynoing we noticed that it was incredibly rich, we took a TON of fuel out of it. Then the "magic of experience" kicked in and said, there's a problem - it won't lean out with reasonable values in the map.

You had repeatedly stated a desire to limit your spending on the car. In an effort to save you money, we ended the tuning with a less than perfect result AND THE STATEMENT THAT YOU WOULD BE CHANGING EM AND DOING MORE TUNING.

I have spent an excessive amount of time dealing with this situation. You got work done. You paid for the work done. More work takes more money. The work done was not "bad." The car was rich, then died. It required tuning (making the opensource map) to diagnose and fix the mechanical. The mechanical work was done and further tuning commenced. We were still rich and continued taking fuel out until my experiences said, "there is a problem."

You knew full well that there was a problem with it being rich AND AGREED TO CHANGE EM. Then you asked for money back or more work for free...

I have spent enough time on this. I do my absolute best to give 100% customer satisfaction. Most people know that I go WAY above and beyond, often being excessively generous with my time, and giving advice that saves my customers money (often reducing what I make). The time that I have spent on this has taken time from other customers and my family. I would like this to be my last post on this.

Siegel

You stated "several electrical/mechanical serious issues" with the car before tune...only able to bring one up...car shutting of issues. And even Will (master tech at SOG at the time) agreed that there was only 1 serious problems with the car that he couldn't fix...which was shutting of issues. I don't appreciate being getting ripped off either and saying i have a problem car. I never said you lied about the AFR reading. You know the statements you made up...not gonna repeat everything over and go in circles....they are stated in my previous reply to you with the question that got ignored.

You said you did opensource tunning...without UTEC tunning why weren't you able to catch the car running rich problem then? Yea tunning is no magic, and you are correct it takes experience for someone to find a problem. If you did find problems.... For the 10th time...... why didn't you tell me that it is keeping you from tunning the car? Then there would have been no point tunning the car...instead you tried over and over...got the same results...no gain and i still ended up paying for all the failed attempts.

I contacted you the next day after the tune and heard "NO" several times. I don't like to hear no over and over. There was no point contacting you after hearing your final answer.

Yes i said i would like a cost effective tweak, but no way $406 cost effective for this.
Most people don't believe me and i understand....who wants to go against a tuner and mess up their future with them? I didn't agree before and i won't agree now or later. You did me wrong and i am standing by it.
I am not the only one who had problem with your tune, and don't know why other didn't come forward?

[UpSideDownDesi]

this is IA for you and how serious people take other's problems. Even mod taking a thread to diff direction.

Nothing has harmed relations between Batlground and me.

[UpSideDownDesi]

none of y'all know what is getting disputed and what isn't or how this is getting taken care off. So i would appreciate no extra comment on this. This a matter that will stay in PM's between me and BG.

[Vteckidd]

are we satisfied that nothing else can come from this thread?

If you want to keep everything between you an BG, are we ready to let this go?

[GAtegs]

I think everything that needs to be/should be said has been said.

[GAtegs]

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[2.3 Evo 8]

Desi, I'm sorry but I don't think you understand tuning.

You can't show up in a car with issues and an engine management system that is holding you back. Sounds like you showed up with a car that had "more issues than you knew", and you expected the tuner to produce miracle hp numbers with said car.

[UpSideDownDesi]

are we satisfied that nothing else can come from this thread?

If you want to keep everything between you an BG, are we ready to let this go?