2008 S2000 CR....HUMMMM?!?!?!

[SPOOLIN]

A STI will run circles around that car on a track

not that i care about these cars or the prices and such, but thats incorrect sometimes. It depends on the track, and this is a regular bone stock s2000 non C/R. tsukuba is a low speed high handling track. The STI DOES shine over the S in high speed tracks with more strait aways.

s2000 STI
Tsukuba 1:07.92 1:10.21

[UpSideDownDesi]

ac/radio is a optional delete and there are only 1400 coming over...i think it will do will

[bastarling84]

Honda has a cult-like following, so it will probably do well. I think it will be the "next generation ITR."

[josh green]

A lot of people are just hating. Yes there are other cars out there that are a "better bang for the buck" deal. But if that were the case every drag racer would have a fox body mustang. It would be the perfect car for the performance driver who doesnt want a harsh ride of an aftermarket suspension, still wants to drive it whenever they would like, and take it to an auto-x or some track day and drive the car the way it was built to be driven. Not to mention the styling, I personally prefer its looks over the STI or the evo, Nismo 350z, etc... You make a huge deal out of the price but its only $3-4k more than a base model. It would cost more to buy a base model and turn it into that. You would need all the suspension, steering gear box, remove retractable roof, buy the aluminum hard top, weld in bracing, aerodynamics, etc... You certainly cannot compare buying this to buying a USED s2k for less and doing modifications. The only fair comparison would be buying a base model NEW and using the money left over on mods and see where you are.

P.s. I am sure you could put your own radio and speakers in for cheaper than what honda wants for theirs, and I am sure most of you would change it anyway.
As far as no AC, then your just being a p u s s y. And nothing about the s2k has been cheap and affordable, we all know nothing has been since the last 01 GSR/type R rolled off the line.

[MR. 200SX]

The 2.2-liter, torque-rich engine in the S2000 produces blistering power.

Hahaha I find that sentence very funny. Specially the "torque rich" part.

[Vteckidd]

By the time you pay tax title its a $40,000 honda. On top of that, do you really think a LIMITED PRODUCTION S2000 is going to be anywhere near MSRP for the first 6 months?

HELL NO

In AZ they were selling S2Ks for $55000 when they first came out.

If 1400 are coming over expect it to be $45000 when it comes out.

At that price id rather have a C6 Vette, STI, EVO 10, sorry.

The S2000 has always been a great track car, but it was a very SMALL market for it. I still think $31,000 is too much for that car.

$40,000 for 200whp? thats as bad as $32,000 for the Mugen Civic

[Z33_kid]

By the time you pay tax title its a $40,000 honda. On top of that, do you really think a LIMITED PRODUCTION S2000 is going to be anywhere near MSRP for the first 6 months?

HELL NO

In AZ they were selling S2Ks for $55000 when they first came out.

If 1400 are coming over expect it to be $45000 when it comes out.

At that price id rather have a C6 Vette, STI, EVO 10, sorry.

The S2000 has always been a great track car, but it was a very SMALL market for it. I still think $31,000 is too much for that car.

$40,000 for 200whp? thats as bad as $32,000 for the Mugen Civic

well said

[josh green]

Small market indeed, but its those same small market people who will buy this car. I have heard that you cannot buy the parts from Honda w/o proof of ownership. its just a rumor though. In all honesty I would probably rather have an Exiege, but I doubt i would fit in one.
Its more than a s2k with a body kit, much like the Nismo Z is more than a 350z with a body kit.

[Vteckidd]

I would bet that more than 50% of S2000 owners DONT TRACK their car.

Its an entry level sports car thats targeted toward guys like my dad (45-55 years old)

It has "TRACK AND RACE" inspired parts, but i highly doubt the guys with S2000s already are looking to trade theirs in for these.

I highly doubt that people looking for an S2000 are going to fork over the extra dough for a car that will ride worse on the street, not have ac and a stereo.

Theyll sell some to guys that think more $$ means better car. But if your looking for a car to CLUB RACE, i highly doubt ANYONE will buy it for that.

[Vteckidd]

If you are serious about buying a TRACK CAR, why buy something that makes SIGNIFICANTLY less power and TQ than other comparable cars in its class?

[man]

I would bet that more than 50% of S2000 owners DONT TRACK their car.

Probably more like 90%

[josh green]

You would be surprised, I guess all the old people in ATL just putt their cars around. We have quite a few older people that have dragon's tail stickers on there ride. There is an old Jewish lady with a cooperS that wears Sparco shoes daily. But, I am sure this is a never ending argument about how Hondas are all hype and underpowered, and how the AWD cars have cheap interior and "are fast."

[josh green]

If you are serious about buying a TRACK CAR, why buy something that makes SIGNIFICANTLY less power and TQ than other comparable cars in its class?

STI, and EVO are not in its class, I hope you know that.

[iNsTuN nOoDoH]

there's a blue one at gwinnett. it has radio and ac already in it.

[DeeAOne]

it is in the new issue of super street. they claim that they didnt make it a type r for that exact reason. it didnt have a substantial increase over the base S2k. the CR stands for Club Racer (where does that come from? haha).

[TypeRPersonality]

This S2000 is a limit edition built to honor one of Honda's engineers. They just decided they would let other people buy it too.

You can't compare a base S2000 to a CR. It's like comparing a Civic with a b16/k20, or an Integra with a b18c5, it still wouldn't be an Si or Type R.

The CR is a limit edition, not an upper trim level.

[speedminded]

Small market indeed, but its those same small market people who will buy this car. I have heard that you cannot buy the parts from Honda w/o proof of ownership. its just a rumor though. In all honesty I would probably rather have an Exiege, but I doubt i would fit in one.
Its more than a s2k with a body kit, much like the Nismo Z is more than a 350z with a body kit.

I was dissapointed to see it has cast brakes and 1 piece steel rotors

[josh green]

This S2000 is a limit edition built to honor one of Honda's engineers. They just decided they would let other people buy it too.

You can't compare a base S2000 to a CR. It's like comparing a Civic with a b16/k20, or an Integra with a b18c5, it still wouldn't be an Si or Type R.

The CR is a limit edition, not an upper trim level.

+1, The car was a final design from the man who created the NSX.

I was dissapointed to see it has cast brakes and 1 piece steel rotors

People are already bitching about the price, lol.

[Vteckidd]

You would be surprised, I guess all the old people in ATL just putt their cars around. We have quite a few older people that have dragon's tail stickers on there ride. There is an old Jewish lady with a cooperS that wears Sparco shoes daily. But, I am sure this is a never ending argument about how Hondas are all hype and underpowered, and how the AWD cars have cheap interior and "are fast."

I dont go to tracks often, but when im there, its rare to see an S2K

I mean hell the last S2K Track day only had like 20 cars there. How many were at Club Wars (Scooby event)

WRX STi ($32,995)
300hp 2.5L, 300TQ
AWD-Active Center DIfferential
Brembo Brakes
2.5L 4cylinder with 300hp
17 x 8" BBS alloys
6spd manual transmission
Short Throw Shifter
Quick ratio steering
Driver Controlled Center Differential DCCD
Summer Directional tires (you'll want to get winter or rain tires)
Limited Slip front differential
Super Sport ABS
HID headlights (low beam)
Rev indicator/alarm
Sport suspension with inverted struts

S2000
MSRP: $34,250
2.2L I4
237HP 162TQ
Its got no special brakes
coil springs anti roll bar

Whats so special about the S2000? how is the STI and EVO not considered in the same class? they are the same price range, similar power levels.

I mean, if you want to say that the STI an EVO are Sedans, then lets compare the S2000 to the 350Z? Well great, the 350Z is a heap of crap too.

WHat else is there? Solstice? GTO? Mustang?

Again, my point is if your looking for a $30,000+ car to "RACE" with ,the S2000 is LAST on your list IMHO. especially this new one, thats MORE expensive an barely has the equipment the EVO and the STI come with STANDARD.

I actaully like S2000s, but i would never pay more than $10,000 for one when they get that cheap ill pick one up for a sat night cruiser, but thats about it. They look sharp, but they are not the car everyone makes them out to be.

[dp32185]

the car is being sold with one purpose in mind- track. if you could careless about the weight savings, upgraded suspension etc., perhaps a stock s2000 would better suit you.

if you're looking for a fun track car right out of the box i don't think you'll find one better. sure, a stock s2000 or 350z is just as fun and track ready out the box plus the ac/softtop/radio, but the CR is in a category of its own.

I don't think there would be a sales boost with the new CR. it may even do worse than stock s2k's and i wouldn't be surprised by it. the CR seems to be a great machine, but for 10k more than a stock s2k, i would personally get a stock s2k and spend less than 10k to make the machine accelerate, handle and brake better than the CR.

[eYezs1ck]

is it any faster than the AP2s

[dp32185]

is it any faster than the AP2s

nope. better suspension and slightly lighter. plus a big wing and front lip. new wheels and that's about it. oh. and the CR badge.

[TypeRPersonality]

It's only $2k more, not $10k.

[Vteckidd]

well INVOICE is $30,000 which is what most of them sell for.

This will list at $37000 and since its a limited edition car, they wont deal on it

[JDMjoe]

Yeah i wouldn't say there worth the money. If i personaly had the money i would buy one and i would also buy the mugen civic. Yeah, its over priced but its mugen.

Maybe there marketing toward old people that want to look like there on the way to the track lol. I like japanese NA cars and the s2000 is at the top of my list. Its sad not to see more s2k on the track.

[JDMjoe]

ricer's philosophy:

if it's a honda, it's a f*cking racecar.

Well you drive a hynduai... lol




J/k

[josh green]

I dont go to tracks often, but when im there, its rare to see an S2K

I mean hell the last S2K Track day only had like 20 cars there. How many were at Club Wars (Scooby event)

WRX STi ($32,995)
300hp 2.5L, 300TQ
AWD-Active Center DIfferential
Brembo Brakes
2.5L 4cylinder with 300hp
17 x 8" BBS alloys
6spd manual transmission
Short Throw Shifter
Quick ratio steering
Driver Controlled Center Differential DCCD
Summer Directional tires (you'll want to get winter or rain tires)
Limited Slip front differential
Super Sport ABS
HID headlights (low beam)
Rev indicator/alarm
Sport suspension with inverted struts

S2000
MSRP: $34,250
2.2L I4
237HP 162TQ
Its got no special brakes
coil springs anti roll bar

Whats so special about the S2000? how is the STI and EVO not considered in the same class? they are the same price range, similar power levels.

I mean, if you want to say that the STI an EVO are Sedans, then lets compare the S2000 to the 350Z? Well great, the 350Z is a heap of crap too.

WHat else is there? Solstice? GTO? Mustang?

Again, my point is if your looking for a $30,000+ car to "RACE" with ,the S2000 is LAST on your list IMHO. especially this new one, thats MORE expensive an barely has the equipment the EVO and the STI come with STANDARD.

I actaully like S2000s, but i would never pay more than $10,000 for one when they get that cheap ill pick one up for a sat night cruiser, but thats about it. They look sharp, but they are not the car everyone makes them out to be.

The car is a Roadster, you are leaving out all the European cars. Neither Solstice, GTO, Mustang are in its class. Solstice= $20k roadster, GTO= coupe, Mustang=coupe. You listed everything that the brochure has to offer to describe the STI, but it still loses to an "inferior", underpowered, un equipt car (on Tsukuba) and any other small track. The S is within 10 seconds of the STI on Nordschleife, and thats a track thats over 8 miles long and has A LOT of high speed turns as well as low speed turns, that is supercar speed friendly. If its Acceleration you want, the STI wins, if you want handling the S wins. Stock for stock.

I'm Done. (insert dead horse here)

[Vteckidd]

Ok list some european cars please that are in the class with the S2000.

I mean an M3 is way over the price range, What does VW have? Audi?

LOL if you think that, ill GLADLY put $100 on Matt Balls WIFES STI Limited vs ANY DRIVER IN ATLANTA in an S2000.

So your basing all your facts on one Time Attack track in japan? So in theory, if a VW bug does well on that track then Bugs are superior?

Josh i know neither of us time attacks or road races. But you cant argue the fact that the STI is a BETTER TRACK CAR, STOCK VS STOCK. On paper, in person, in reality, period.

How can you say the S2000 is better?! It doesnt make more power, its not awd, it doesnt handle better, etc etc etc

[OneSlow5pt0]

id say cars that compete with the s2k are:Miata,Z4,SLK,Boxter,Sky,Solstice,Elise....then guess u could throw in cars like the 350Z and RX-8....id take the RX-8 over a S2k anyday,and id deff take a MX-5 over the s2k.....i still think the Miata is the standard for the roadster market,and i think they still do it the best

[josh green]

How can you say the S2000 is better?! It doesnt make more power, its not awd, it doesnt handle better, etc etc etc

Its road racing, power isnt everything. AWD is a preference not a necessity. I wander why all the JGTCC cars that were AWD are no longer AWD???? It certainly isnt because of the rules. Its certainly isnt doesnt handle worse than a STI, the STI only shines on tracks where its power can be displayed.
You say you challenge anyone in atlanta with a s2k to race ballers wife in a stock STI, what does that say.... It says to me that the AWD and more power just make it easier for anyone to "go fast", not saying she cannot drive b/c I personally know nothing about her.
In the "Micro Compact" series the Honda Jazz is the fastest car in the class, it has the least amount of power out of every car it races against and it completely owns ass. WHY? Its out handles everything and weighs less. Its corner speed ownes kills its competition.

The top 10 fastest cars on Tsukuba are all RWD cars, Go figure... (remember these are stock cars now)
There is no AWD car on the ranks at Nordschleife until 28th position.

Hell the NSX-R comes before the STI on this track and it has all the things you stated before, inferior 2wd, less power than the STI, poor honda R&D. But it costs more than the STI as well.......
Really, Im done this time.

[collins]

WHat else is there? Solstice? GTO? Mustang?

riiiiiiight

[bigdare23]

nope. better suspension and slightly lighter. plus a big wing and front lip. new wheels and that's about it. oh. and the CR badge.

Yes it is. You don't have to make "power" to be "faster"

[Vteckidd]

The top 10 fastest cars on Tsukuba are all RWD cars, Go figure... (remember these are stock cars now)
There is no AWD car on the ranks at Nordschleife until 28th position.

The fastest car at Tsukuba is the HKS EVO

Ive asked some people that actually DRIVE on track (siegel, baller, dan, valle,etc)

all of them say without question that STI is 10 times faster than an s2000 on track, whether its Road Atlanta or Lil Talledega. How many S2000s were on One Lap? ZERO

The S2000 is nowhere near the track car an STI is. Those that think it is are sadly mistaken.

We can quote German and Japanese track times all day, but in the end, it doesnt matter because i dont buy cars (neither does the rest of the general public) based on what some Japanese driver does one time at one track in the world

[Big Baller]

Its road racing, power isnt everything. AWD is a preference not a necessity. I wander why all the JGTCC cars that were AWD are no longer AWD???? It certainly isnt because of the rules. Its certainly isnt doesnt handle worse than a STI, the STI only shines on tracks where its power can be displayed.
You say you challenge anyone in atlanta with a s2k to race ballers wife in a stock STI, what does that say.... It says to me that the AWD and more power just make it easier for anyone to "go fast", not saying she cannot drive b/c I personally know nothing about her.
In the "Micro Compact" series the Honda Jazz is the fastest car in the class, it has the least amount of power out of every car it races against and it completely owns ass. WHY? Its out handles everything and weighs less. Its corner speed ownes kills its competition.

The top 10 fastest cars on Tsukuba are all RWD cars, Go figure... (remember these are stock cars now)
There is no AWD car on the ranks at Nordschleife until 28th position.

Hell the NSX-R comes before the STI on this track and it has all the things you stated before, inferior 2wd, less power than the STI, poor honda R&D. But it costs more than the STI as well.......
Really, Im done this time.

Any change in racing is because of the rules...The fastsest car around Tsukuba last time I checked was an EVO...

I'll match Mikes $100 dollars if anyone in a bone stock S2000 can match my time at any Race Track in the southeast...in my wifes bone stock STI.

I like the S2000 but lets not get things twisted....its just not that great a car, it is to heavy for the power it makes.

[01CDMLUDER]

Quote:
Originally Posted by josh green
Its road racing, power isnt everything. AWD is a preference not a necessity. I wander why all the JGTCC cars that were AWD are no longer AWD???? It certainly isnt because of the rules. Its certainly isnt doesnt handle worse than a STI, the STI only shines on tracks where its power can be displayed.
You say you challenge anyone in atlanta with a s2k to race ballers wife in a stock STI, what does that say.... It says to me that the AWD and more power just make it easier for anyone to "go fast", not saying she cannot drive b/c I personally know nothing about her.
In the "Micro Compact" series the Honda Jazz is the fastest car in the class, it has the least amount of power out of every car it races against and it completely owns ass. WHY? Its out handles everything and weighs less. Its corner speed ownes kills its competition.

The top 10 fastest cars on Tsukuba are all RWD cars, Go figure... (remember these are stock cars now)
There is no AWD car on the ranks at Nordschleife until 28th position.

Hell the NSX-R comes before the STI on this track and it has all the things you stated before, inferior 2wd, less power than the STI, poor honda R&D. But it costs more than the STI as well.......
Really, Im done this time.


he was talking about stock cars. the hks evo isnt stock!

[OneSlow5pt0]

a CR weighs 27xx pounds w/o a hardtop with it weigh 28xx.........so it still weighs 300-400 pounds more than a new factory miata

[AnTi-PooN]

s2k's are slow anyway buy an srt4 for like 15,000 and destroy s2000s all day

[MistaCee]

I think part of the reason the car is worth so much is simply because it is so limited. It would be like a collectors model that can gain value instead of losing it.

[man]

There is no AWD car on the ranks at Nordschleife until 28th position.

Hmmm... GTR is 5, 997 turbo is 7, Veyron at 8th, and Murcielago at 12th for production cars.

Care to elaborate?

[khailon]

the seats looks comfy