93 miata vs. 81 firebird

[JennB]

thats why im asking. I'm not going to stereotype.

Thank you. I've never even owned an auto and I'm definately female. Owned two 5-speeds and three 6-speeds.


And Mike's car is going turbo (yes, two turbo Miata's in one house) very soon and may or may not be up for sale. The car he was thinking about buying was sold and we're looking for a very specific car to replace his. It isn't going anywhere until then.

[Doppelgänger]

yea my friend Mike Frohock is a prime example of "other ways to make miatas fast"

check it:
specs:
Rebuilt 96 9.0:1 compression block
ARP headstuds
MazdaComp motor mounts
Jackson Racing supercharger
Custom insta-boost kit for the s/c
Greddy blow off valve
Walbro 255lph fuel pump
JR BBK 150mm Crank pulley
TDR 62.5mm s/c pulley
Flyin' Miata Voodoo box
BRPerformance plug n' play harness
Front mount intercooler
OBX 4-2-1 Header
ANSA Dual exit muffler
custome 2.5" mid-pipe with cat. converter.
96 Miata 4:10 rear end with LSD
Koni yellow adj. shocks
H&R Springs (350f/275r)
Flyin Miata rear sway bar
RabingBeat 1.75" Tubular front sway bar
ACT 4-puck clutch
Fidanza Flywheel
Fans wired in parallel
160* thermostat
Flyin' Miata rear sway bar.
Hawk HP+ brake pads
MB Motoring Drifter wheels 15x7 +35 painted anodized green w/polished lip
Garage Vary Nose(the real thing)
OEM side skirts (large/AP2)
OEM rear kick panels
Carbon Wing
AutoMeter boost gauge
Kenwood MP3/CD player
Kenwood V12 amp for the speakers
Alpine 6" 2-way door speakers
Green gauge faces (only ones like this in the US.. no joke)


pics:



ever heard of him? lol

L O L what a piece of ****.

[OneSlow5pt0]

13BT Miata > 5.0 Miata

[BlkCD5]

originally posted by HypnoToad
13BT Miata > 5.0 Miata

you and your damn rotaries. I've seen a 5.0 in a Fd though.

[Doppelgänger]

manual transmission > me

fixed

[Annik5k]

Damn im slippin anyway danielle im just pickin on your ass.
rice? - american? BOOOOOOO
if you want to see a real firebird the dude i bought my miata from will show ya how to build one.
all i gota say is ITS A BEAST.

maybe if youd hang some time insted of being a noobsauce you could check it out.

but put a bigger engine in your car.... still cant outhandle me AND THAT was the meaning of this post.

AND LEARN TO DRIVE A ****ING 5speed!
YOUR NOT A DRIVE UNTIL YOU ARE REALLY PART OF THE CAR! COME ON!
took me 15 min. to learn.

[81911SC]

Engines in the front are so overrated.

[87 Turbo II]

LOL @ Firebird, redneck car with all of its weight over the front wheels, Mazdas FTW, A Miata will hand a Firebird its ass if there are any twisties involved, and an FD would would beat it, and still have time to stop and let the turbos cool.

[vrt eggroll]

you and your damn rotaries. I've seen a 5.0 in a Fd though.

I've seen a mustang with a 3 rotor.

[Doppelgänger]

Damn im slippin anyway danielle im just pickin on your ass.
rice? - american? BOOOOOOO
if you want to see a real firebird the dude i bought my miata from will show ya how to build one.
all i gota say is ITS A BEAST.

maybe if youd hang some time insted of being a noobsauce you could check it out.

but put a bigger engine in your car.... still cant outhandle me AND THAT was the meaning of this post.

AND LEARN TO DRIVE A ****ING 5speed!
YOUR NOT A DRIVE UNTIL YOU ARE REALLY PART OF THE CAR! COME ON!
took me 15 min. to learn.

wait a second..... she doesn't even own the car yet.

[Thighs]

You CAN make FWD handle, I have owned five Hondas, all of which handeled VERY well. The Neon 1st gen DID have a good setup, at least the ones raced, but saying it's better then a Miata?

did i say it was better than a miata? no. i was basically saying that its all a matter of opinion.

anyways, i bet 0-60 the miata can take the firebird. if a miata can take an olds 442 with an auto, it can take a firebird.

and n00bsrus, ur sig is HUGE.

[Elbow]

^I was talking to QD

[Roadster]

13BT Miata > 5.0 Miata

All motor V6 > 5.0 > 13BT

[Roadster]

LOL @ Firebird, redneck car with all of its weight over the front wheels, Mazdas FTW, A Miata will hand a Firebird its ass if there are any twisties involved, and an FD would would beat it, and still have time to stop and let the turbos cool.

Stock for stock yes, but that's only because people have always built Firebirds/Camaros/Mustangs and the like for straight line. You don't see many big bore domestic coupes built to take on Miatas in their comfort zone. There's nothing that says you can't make a Firebird or any other American coupe turn and stop. Ever heard of Mark Donohue?

No matter what car it is, and no matter what suspension geometry it is (even strut fronts and solid rear), you can make it handle as long as the weight isn't too outlandish. I'd be really, really scared of a well built 5.0 Mustang built for the road course instead of the drag strip.

And nOObs, I didn't take the time to read the whole thread, but is that a 305 or a 350 or...something else in that Firebird? You can never tell what lump someone has dropped in over the years.

[OneSlow5pt0]

All motor V6 > 5.0 > 13BT

if u say so

[Thighs]

^I was talking to QD

then why did you quote my post...? lol

[metalman]

Ever heard of Mark Donohue?

.

Yes I have. But I have heard of all the old guys...I was alive then.

There was a 3 hour endurance race at Road Atlanta during the recent ARRC. It featured various types of IT (improved touring) cars including V8 Mustangs. Those cars were quite fast and turned good lap times but heavy fast cars tend to use up brakes. Also, being of standard Ford quality offers other issues. In the end a Miata won overall...which isnt unusual in my SCCA experience.
Being agile, light, and able to maintain speed through corners and run consistent lap times without mechanical failures is everything in that kind of racing. The Miata is a world class sports car car perfectly suited for just that.
A Neon on the otherhand is a car well suited to unemployed redneck trailer park life.

As for an 81 Fireturd...those were built during an era of heavy pig underpowered slowassness. Although any car, including one of those, can be built to go fast, it wouldnt be the greatest platform for road racing....unless youre racing other heavy pigs of the same type and era.

[87 Turbo II]

No matter what weight reductions you do, a chassis that long with the outdated suspension setpus and egith distribution(main facto here) you simply cannot beat the Japanese sports car with American counterparts unless you are talking about a late model Corvette.

[redrumracer]

so i'm the chick he was talking about racing and all i have to say is.... LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL and yes, for those of you who neglected to see, I AM A CHICK. now i'm not saying i'd win or anything, but wouldn't it be funny to see a chick smoke a guy in a miata? just wait till i get the 455 under my hood nik. we'll see who smokes who then. ROFL

here's my car by the way... i'm picking it up this afternoon:

i know most of you have too much rice in your eyes to appreciate it, but that's my baby

spinning tires aint winning darling

oh and mike aint sellin his car he is going to turbo it, or at least thats what he said last week

[40th GT]

Go Mazda! I have to give it to the car that weighs like 1/2 as much.

I'd be careful with your exaggerations Mazdaguy. The Miata weighs about 2200 lbs and the Firebird is about 3300 lbs. That's nowhere near a 2x difference.

Best of luck to you, n00bsrus, or whoever is racing.

[87 Turbo II]

I'd be careful with your exaggerations Mazdaguy. The Miata weighs about 2200 lbs and the Firebird is about 3300 lbs. That's nowhere near a 2x difference.

Best of luck to you, n00bsrus, or whoever is racing.

I was saying it in the knowledge that it was an exaggeration. I wasn't serious.

[THX712517]

1100 lbs. is still pretty damn noticeable. Miata ftw.

[87 Turbo II]

Yeah, a Firebird is 150% of the weight a Miata has to lug around.

[Kalifornia087]

LOL @ Firebird, redneck car with all of its weight over the front wheels, Mazdas FTW, A Miata will hand a Firebird its ass if there are any twisties involved, and an FD would would beat it, and still have time to stop and let the turbos cool.

A good friend of mine has an 1984 z28 that would stomp a mudhole in a stock TII (like yours) in the corners and still kick my old TII's ass (330rwhp) in the quarter mile. And still run the same curves right with my other friends FD. He built it for under 6k. Its all about how you build it and what for.

[DC nismo]

miata

[Thighs]

A good friend of mine has an 1984 z28 that would stomp a mudhole in a stock TII (like yours) in the corners and still kick my old TII's ass (330rwhp) in the quarter mile. And still run the same curves right with my other friends FD. He built it for under 6k. Its all about how you build it and what for.

im calling shenanigans.

[Kalifornia087]

...

[Thighs]

LOL

i was just saying that that camaro better have like 450whp and 14 inch slicks...

btw, no car with that stuff ^^ is a 6g car...

[Kalifornia087]

LOL
i was just saying that that camaro better have like 450whp and 14 inch slicks...
btw, no car with that stuff ^^ is a 6g car...

It has just under 500 (don't remember exact numbers, like 480 or something) WHP, and torque to match. And it has circle track styled 17's with 275/45/17" tires.
Car was bought for $1500, motor for $1000, about $1500 in suspension mods, give or take a few. Plus about another grand in the motor to make it as bad as it is now (its a 400 that was going to go in a boat lol). And like 500 or so in wheels/tires. Mostly which were from the tires!

Total in the car is right in there between 5-6k. Just depends on how you build it like i said.
Oh and i just did that picture to be funny. I love that movie lol.

[OneSlow5pt0]

It has just under 500 (don't remember exact numbers, like 480 or something) WHP, and torque to match. And it has circle track styled 17's with 275/45/17" tires.
Car was bought for $1500, motor for $1000, about $1500 in suspension mods, give or take a few. Plus about another grand in the motor to make it as bad as it is now (its a 400 that was going to go in a boat lol). And like 500 or so in wheels/tires. Mostly which were from the tires!

Total in the car is right in there between 5-6k. Just depends on how you build it like i said.
Oh and i just did that picture to be funny. I love that movie lol.

u can do lot more for less money with soemthing like a camaro,mustang,firebird compared to a RX-7 which mods cost pretty penny

[Annik5k]

when ya dont have to import parts things tend to cost a little less. even a novice driver knows that.

[Doppelgänger]

miatas are ghey

[superman]

miata

[40th GT]

Its all about how you build it and what for.

Exactly. Where the car was made does not determine how a car will perform.

[40th GT]

Yeah, a Firebird is 150% of the weight a Miata has to lug around.

Yeah, the Firebird also has 147% more power and 255% more torque than the Miata. (no exaggeration here)

Let's not forget the fact that the Miata will reach full potential WAY EARLIER than the V8 powered Firebird.
There's no replacement for displacement.

EDIT: okay, i just re-read the first post of this thread and realized that it's a track race and not a drag race. In that case, power and displacement won't be the primary factors, but I think that they'll make up for the heavier weight, and the subpar handling characteristics of the Firebird.

[Doppelgänger]

^ you're forgetting that the Firebird in question is someones "pulled out of the kudzu" special. It's a 81 and had 8974359874 smog restrictions, has NOT been restored, has not been tuned....... IT'S A 220HP BOAT ANCHOR. The 81's were the slowest of all from back then. I know that car isn't a 455 or one of the other larger engine options...... and the side pipes probably take power away too....

Keep in mind... we are NOT talking about this:



More about on the lines of...

[Annik5k]

ID LIKE TO MAKE THE STATEMENT THAT IF THIS GOS DOWN... its not a fu*king street race... and quickdodge is a c*ckbag.
its just a debate... not the ****ing superbowl so stop sh*ttin your pants ppl.

[quickdodge®]

**** you, boy. Later, QD.

[n00bsrus]

Thank you. I've never even owned an auto and I'm definately female. Owned two 5-speeds and three 6-speeds.


And Mike's car is going turbo (yes, two turbo Miata's in one house) very soon and may or may not be up for sale. The car he was thinking about buying was sold and we're looking for a very specific car to replace his. It isn't going anywhere until then.

that's good that he's not selling it just yet. that is one badass miata.

[n00bsrus]

Damn im slippin anyway danielle im just pickin on your ass.
rice? - american? BOOOOOOO
if you want to see a real firebird the dude i bought my miata from will show ya how to build one.
all i gota say is ITS A BEAST.

maybe if youd hang some time insted of being a noobsauce you could check it out.

but put a bigger engine in your car.... still cant outhandle me AND THAT was the meaning of this post.

AND LEARN TO DRIVE A ****ING 5speed!
YOUR NOT A DRIVE UNTIL YOU ARE REALLY PART OF THE CAR! COME ON!
took me 15 min. to learn.

lol. i'm just working on getting all the kinks out of this bird at the moment. 6 hours of body work with bondo and spot putty and i JUST got the first coat of paint on her. and talk about being a n00bsauce, i'm not the one who posted this thread. lololol i actually go out and WORK on my car. i don't sit on the internet all day.

auto transmission = for lazy people like me who don't care to make my car shift. i like it to do it on its own.... now THAT'S impressive. lololol