Skyline runs the Nurburgring.. in 7.38

[OneSlow5pt0]

I don't think I could get attached to a car that broke down everytime you drove it, or cought fire.

lol...u know what i ment

[Pavlo]

I'd rather take a GT-R than a Porsche. It's "only" a Nissan? Big f*cking deal. Get off the high horse and look at the car itself rather than the badge. You talk about character? Aside from a Carrera GT or Cayman, I've yet to see anything from Porsche since the 80's that's been even relatively exciting to me. It's more like they're rehashing the same old sh*t over and over again. It's boring and before you make any backlash, yes I have driven them. They're fun little sports cars, but they're definitely not the cars that they used to be. Want to sell me a European car? Give me a BMW anyday.

Any of the GT_ cars, and all of the RS versions are some of the best, and most beautiful cars ever made. Just because they keep making RR cars, doesnt mean that Porsche just redoes their old cars.
I do agree that the best ones were from the 80s, but even now take the 996 GT2, 3.6L twin turbo, rear engine, rear wheel drive car, with no abs or traction control bull*****. If thats not exciting, what is?

Then you talk about having history. I wasn't aware that the GT-R had no racing history. I'm assuming then that you don't want to talk about how it practically dominated the JGTC then? My apologies.

I talked about the history of the car maker as whole, read more carefully next time. Even then, Nissan won in one class, whith a car designed to win in that one and only class. Try LeMans, Porsches record in the 917 will never be beaten, ever. Or take rally, Porsche won countless times there as well, or GT.
So if you want to argue about who has more history you might want to hit up Porsche's web sites, and read the history section before you start listing all the Nissan wins.

Oh, the sad elitism is killing me. Your post may have actually had a small shred of merit had it not been for this arogant spatter you stained it with here.

The quote makes sense if you actually think about it, instead of telling me that it proves me being biased. Car manufacturers made cars around the world to compliment its surrounding people and roads. America got its Muscle cars, Europeans are known for their elegant sports cars, and Japanese for their small, nimble compacts. Over the years people just started competing with each other, making all kinds of cars.
Make a list of all the car manufacturers racing in the 1930s, now how many aren't European?

I'm not Japanese-biased by far, which is more than I can say for the elitism that you seem to be accustomed to. Is the Skyline the best car ever? Hell no, not by a long shot. Even still, the GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance and I expect to see even more examples of Asian engineering to follow behind it. If your Doc Martens are shaking because you're afraid of a little competition then you're about to be sent up sh*t creek without even a boat. Get off the elitism and realize that great sportscars come from all reaches of the world.

I am not biased either, my post started from people bashing Porsches, not from me bashing Skyline. You just f*cking attack me like I just took a mad dump on the Japanese car world. My post was made to show people who said **** about the Porsche, how its a crap car, so I defended it by stating my opinion. Whats wrong here?
And yes, GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance, did I ever say it wasn't? No, I said that even though its a bad-ass car, its still a Nissan. I do like it as a car. I like 3000gt vr4, the Supras, Skylines; But when it comes to Porsche vs all of those cars, I'd take the Porsche any day of the year.
Yes I like Porsches and European cars, but I am not biased regarding them. I've owned a Civic, DA Integra, B13 Sentra, E30 325 Bimmer, and now own a VW GTI; And don't mind owning another Japanese car. I am a car enthusiast, not a euro-car enthusiast, despite the fact that it might have seemed otherwise in my original post.
The only reason I posted here for was to defend the Euro cars, as everybody was saying "Yeah, shows that europeans aint ****." Judging from your post you'd probably be one of the people to say same exact thing.

I don't understand why am I even explaining myself to you, as you are the one who dissed Porsche in your post, and you are the one who defended the Skyline. I did the opposite, so now you are doing the same exact thing I did in my first post. We might agree eventually on certain things in the end of the argument, but neither you, nor me will say "Yeah you are right, and I am wrong," so I am not gonna keep arguing with you. I made my point, you made yours, I think we can close the debate now.

[81911SC]

Porsche has had over 28,000 racing victories. That is no where close to going anywhere but the top. I think once they switched to the 996 era it was going downhill for sure. The 996 GT2 named the "Widow maker" is named that for a reason. Look at the new 997 GT2, trust me, they still have some spirit.

[Thighs]

^^dont you mean gt3?

and if you say a gt3 rsr isnt spirited, you need to lay off the light bulb.

but still, radical FTW. whats better than a street legal LMP car? NOTHING!
and its european. not trying to say european cars are better or anything, just stating the fact.

[Thighs]

oh,and heres a link to a more updated list.
count the porsches that have faster times than the skyline. by no means is the skyline slow, but its not the fastest at all....

any car that can run faster than a 8 flat on the ring is BA in my opinion.

[Elbow]

Its not street legal here. (Radical)

And as far as Porsche not being so great anymore. The GT3 is a bad ass car, new Porsches look great I think as well, they have more of the earlier 90's body lines back. Minus the dull Boxster I think I would take any one of them over the Skyline. Personal preference.

[Thighs]

are you sure about the radical? i thought you COULD get them legal here, but it wasnt easy.

btw, were you at COC or the autocross last weekend? i didnt see you there.

[Elbow]

Well you can get anything legal if you WANT to.

There was a Camry Nascar at the autocross I was there Saturday no Coc on Sun for me.

[chituntang]

Sometimes it is not about how fast the car run. You will never, ever get the fastest car in the world anyways.

[Elbow]

Sometimes it is not about how fast the car run. You will never, ever get the fastest car in the world anyways.

Ok thanks, that was the fun fact of the night

[81911SC]

^^dont you mean gt3?

and if you say a gt3 rsr isnt spirited, you need to lay off the light bulb.

but still, radical FTW. whats better than a street legal LMP car? NOTHING!
and its european. not trying to say european cars are better or anything, just stating the fact.

No, I'm right. Trust me. RSR isn't a production car BTW.

[Thighs]

^ i know but its still sick as ****.

and yeah simon i missed the nascar and stuff at the ax i couldnt make it. my friend matt told me it was funny as hell tho. u might know him... matt brueck? used to have a white miata
howd u do tho?

there was a drift event the same day as coc so it was fun to watch both.

[Elbow]

I dont personally know Matt but he raced the Red Bull Driver Search when I was a few years back I think.

I couldnt get better then a low 43. After looking at pics of my car I decided my springs are WAY too soft. The rest of my suspension is built, but I am getting coilovers and new sway bars before next season. I run DP so it is a fairly dead class but luckily a guy came Saturday and said he will be running next season.

[1000cckiller]

i really dont like new porsches aside from the carrera(sp) GT

right now,i think Benz and Audi are the best german cars....well,imo..lol

but u dont have a attachment to new porsches as u do with the old ones,same goes for ferrari,lambo and jaguar

kill your self fool, Ferrari actually changes styles. That F-430 is nasty.

[Ran]

Any of the GT_ cars, and all of the RS versions are some of the best, and most beautiful cars ever made. Just because they keep making RR cars, doesnt mean that Porsche just redoes their old cars.
I do agree that the best ones were from the 80s, but even now take the 996 GT2, 3.6L twin turbo, rear engine, rear wheel drive car, with no abs or traction control bull*****. If thats not exciting, what is?

I don't mind the GT2. I've never doubted Porsche's performance factors either. However, as far as fresh ideas go, the only things I've seen different from Porsche lately are the Cayenne and that new 4-door atrocity that I won't even bother to recall the name of. Both vehicles that are a big ball of failure in my eyes. That being said, I believe that Porsche should continue to make sportscars, but they need to get some fresh designs out. Not more cars that look like every other Porsche on the lot.

I talked about the history of the car maker as whole, read more carefully next time. Even then, Nissan won in one class, whith a car designed to win in that one and only class. Try LeMans, Porsches record in the 917 will never be beaten, ever. Or take rally, Porsche won countless times there as well, or GT.
So if you want to argue about who has more history you might want to hit up Porsche's web sites, and read the history section before you start listing all the Nissan wins.

Who's arguing wins? I never discredited Porsche's racing history. You discredited Nissan's. Nissan fought hard in JGTC and then won overwhelmingly, but that's hardly the only spot they've been successful. Ever looked up the Nissan Rally Raid Team for the Dakar Rally? Even today, SOHC S13 240SX's do well in GT3 lightweight and the 350Z still competes strongly in the Grand Am series which is predominately ruled by Porsche.

The quote makes sense if you actually think about it, instead of telling me that it proves me being biased. Car manufacturers made cars around the world to compliment its surrounding people and roads. America got its Muscle cars, Europeans are known for their elegant sports cars, and Japanese for their small, nimble compacts. Over the years people just started competing with each other, making all kinds of cars.
Make a list of all the car manufacturers racing in the 1930s, now how many aren't European?

Perhaps your meaning had merit, but your wording did not. I agree that cars are made for their environment, but for you to say that "real sports car only come from Europe" is like taking a dump and trying to serve it as filet mignon. The 1930's? American car makers were well into racing as Ford, Oldsmobile, and other continued to advance the market along site Citroen, Bugatti, and others. The Japanese car market hadn't even come into existance yet.

I am not biased either, my post started from people bashing Porsches, not from me bashing Skyline. You just f*cking attack me like I just took a mad dump on the Japanese car world. My post was made to show people who said **** about the Porsche, how its a crap car, so I defended it by stating my opinion. Whats wrong here?

Defending something and retaliating are two completely different things. Instead of blurting out nonsense like "it's just a Nissan" or "real sports cars come from Europe, not on the straights of Kansas or the roads of Osaka" you simply could have defended your make by posting a comparison or stating Porsche's successful racing history like you did in comment to my post. I didn't attack you, I pointed out your overhyped and seemingly elitist post. As for the GT-R sackriders, the only post I saw that even remotely bashed the GT3 was from Pure JDM and the phrase was limited to "THATS RIGHT F you 997 GT3 B!tch!" as the first post. Aside from that, there was no post that I saw discrediting the Porsche. Therefore, that would make your over-zealous retaliation a little out of place. That's what is wrong here.

And yes, GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance, did I ever say it wasn't? No, I said that even though its a bad-ass car, its still a Nissan. I do like it as a car. I like 3000gt vr4, the Supras, Skylines; But when it comes to Porsche vs all of those cars, I'd take the Porsche any day of the year.
Yes I like Porsches and European cars, but I am not biased regarding them. I've owned a Civic, DA Integra, B13 Sentra, E30 325 Bimmer, and now own a VW GTI; And don't mind owning another Japanese car. I am a car enthusiast, not a euro-car enthusiast, despite the fact that it might have seemed otherwise in my original post.
The only reason I posted here for was to defend the Euro cars, as everybody was saying "Yeah, shows that europeans aint ****." Judging from your post you'd probably be one of the people to say same exact thing.

Look at my other posts and you'll hardly see me saying that European's aren't sh*t. I'm not here to bash you for being a fan of European cars. I simply jumped in as your post was the first of it's kinda in this thread. The text that I bolded in your post defines why I counter your initial post. You may have had good intentions, but your initial post was a bit rash.

I don't understand why am I even explaining myself to you, as you are the one who dissed Porsche in your post, and you are the one who defended the Skyline. I did the opposite, so now you are doing the same exact thing I did in my first post. We might agree eventually on certain things in the end of the argument, but neither you, nor me will say "Yeah you are right, and I am wrong," so I am not gonna keep arguing with you. I made my point, you made yours, I think we can close the debate now.

I would have hoped that your explaination would mean that you're understanding and would hope to find some common ground between us. The only bashing I did against Porsche was the fact that I find their vehicle line up boring in terms of originality. Which I still do and will stand by. As for finding out who is right or wrong, there's no need. In an argument over preference, there is no right or wrong. The only difference lies in how we portray them.

I hope that this post has provided some form of reasoning to our misunderstandings.

[man]

I don't mind the GT2. I've never doubted Porsche's performance factors either. However, as far as fresh ideas go, the only things I've seen different from Porsche lately are the Cayenne and that new 4-door atrocity that I won't even bother to recall the name of. Both vehicles that are a big ball of failure in my eyes. That being said, I believe that Porsche should continue to make sportscars, but they need to get some fresh designs out. Not more cars that look like every other Porsche on the lot.

You think that Porsche is unoriginal for keep the same basic design for pretty much their entire existence? I would say that makes it the most original car company out there. A car company so passionate about their heritage and a design so brilliant that the basic design is more aerodynamic and handles better than any fresh design in its league.

It's about history, not impressing fanboys.

[Hundo®]

looks like motor trend did it faster than nissan (7:35)

(more complete list)
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...10073&bottom=0

[man]

looks like motor trend did it faster than nissan (7:35)

(more complete list)
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...10073&bottom=0

Blank page.

[Ran]

You think that Porsche is unoriginal for keep the same basic design for pretty much their entire existence? I would say that makes it the most original car company out there. A car company so passionate about their heritage and a design so brilliant that the basic design is more aerodynamic and handles better than any fresh design in its league.

Try to glorify it however you wish. I still see it as boring, repetitive, and uninspired.

looks like motor trend did it faster than nissan (7:35)

(more complete list)
http://www.supercars.net/PitLane?vie...10073&bottom=0

Copy the entire URL man. The "..." doesn't quite cut it. lol

[man]

Try to glorify it however you wish. I still see it as boring, repetitive, and uninspired.

No glorification, just facts. Some people love it, some don't. Same for every other car ever made.

[allmotoronly]

Its funny that it could only beat the GT3 by one second... it has 65 more hp! The GT3 has 415, while the GT-R has 480.

official nissan spec page
http://www.gtrnissan.com/specs.en.us.html

[Ran]

Its funny that it could only beat the GT3 by one second... it has 65 more hp! The GT3 has 415, while the GT-R has 480.

official nissan spec page
http://www.gtrnissan.com/specs.en.us.html

Repost. They discussed this on the first two pages. Yes, it has more power, but it's also a tank. Check the weight. Considering the balance of the two, it's a respectable time.

[sebastianHoff]

oh dear... i've managed to stay off these boards for quite some time, but i feel compelled to weigh in now. usually i come out waving the porsche flag, but i cant do that here. i've got a gen-F rs and there is something about that car that forces you to try and save it knowing full well that were it anything else, skyline included, you would cut for parts. it was a rusting hulk sitting out behind a shop, but you knew it was special just looking at it, you could feel it.
when the r32 gtr came out it did beat the old 911 round the ring, but then the next 911 came out and it took the record back. the r33 gtr came out and beat that 911, then the new 911 came out and it was back on top again. things went on like this. nissan always tried to beat the previous model and never really looked ahead to what was next, but thats not whats really important. if you've ever driven a gtr, or any japanese car, you know there are lots of computers doing all kinds of work to fix/tweek things so they are just right. nissan used technology to hurl an overweight, underpowered, unbalanced car quickly round a track. porsche used engineering, physics, and a ballsy german dude to make the 911 fast. thats why its useless to defend the new 911 when comparing it to the new gtr, porsche has started using computers to make the 911 fast when, if it were truely a 911, they should have redesigned the car and made it faster.