Skyline runs the Nurburgring.. in 7.38

[Ran]

Any of the GT_ cars, and all of the RS versions are some of the best, and most beautiful cars ever made. Just because they keep making RR cars, doesnt mean that Porsche just redoes their old cars.
I do agree that the best ones were from the 80s, but even now take the 996 GT2, 3.6L twin turbo, rear engine, rear wheel drive car, with no abs or traction control bull*****. If thats not exciting, what is?

I don't mind the GT2. I've never doubted Porsche's performance factors either. However, as far as fresh ideas go, the only things I've seen different from Porsche lately are the Cayenne and that new 4-door atrocity that I won't even bother to recall the name of. Both vehicles that are a big ball of failure in my eyes. That being said, I believe that Porsche should continue to make sportscars, but they need to get some fresh designs out. Not more cars that look like every other Porsche on the lot.

I talked about the history of the car maker as whole, read more carefully next time. Even then, Nissan won in one class, whith a car designed to win in that one and only class. Try LeMans, Porsches record in the 917 will never be beaten, ever. Or take rally, Porsche won countless times there as well, or GT.
So if you want to argue about who has more history you might want to hit up Porsche's web sites, and read the history section before you start listing all the Nissan wins.

Who's arguing wins? I never discredited Porsche's racing history. You discredited Nissan's. Nissan fought hard in JGTC and then won overwhelmingly, but that's hardly the only spot they've been successful. Ever looked up the Nissan Rally Raid Team for the Dakar Rally? Even today, SOHC S13 240SX's do well in GT3 lightweight and the 350Z still competes strongly in the Grand Am series which is predominately ruled by Porsche.

The quote makes sense if you actually think about it, instead of telling me that it proves me being biased. Car manufacturers made cars around the world to compliment its surrounding people and roads. America got its Muscle cars, Europeans are known for their elegant sports cars, and Japanese for their small, nimble compacts. Over the years people just started competing with each other, making all kinds of cars.
Make a list of all the car manufacturers racing in the 1930s, now how many aren't European?

Perhaps your meaning had merit, but your wording did not. I agree that cars are made for their environment, but for you to say that "real sports car only come from Europe" is like taking a dump and trying to serve it as filet mignon. The 1930's? American car makers were well into racing as Ford, Oldsmobile, and other continued to advance the market along site Citroen, Bugatti, and others. The Japanese car market hadn't even come into existance yet.

I am not biased either, my post started from people bashing Porsches, not from me bashing Skyline. You just f*cking attack me like I just took a mad dump on the Japanese car world. My post was made to show people who said **** about the Porsche, how its a crap car, so I defended it by stating my opinion. Whats wrong here?

Defending something and retaliating are two completely different things. Instead of blurting out nonsense like "it's just a Nissan" or "real sports cars come from Europe, not on the straights of Kansas or the roads of Osaka" you simply could have defended your make by posting a comparison or stating Porsche's successful racing history like you did in comment to my post. I didn't attack you, I pointed out your overhyped and seemingly elitist post. As for the GT-R sackriders, the only post I saw that even remotely bashed the GT3 was from Pure JDM and the phrase was limited to "THATS RIGHT F you 997 GT3 B!tch!" as the first post. Aside from that, there was no post that I saw discrediting the Porsche. Therefore, that would make your over-zealous retaliation a little out of place. That's what is wrong here.

And yes, GT-R is a fine example of Japanese performance, did I ever say it wasn't? No, I said that even though its a bad-ass car, its still a Nissan. I do like it as a car. I like 3000gt vr4, the Supras, Skylines; But when it comes to Porsche vs all of those cars, I'd take the Porsche any day of the year.
Yes I like Porsches and European cars, but I am not biased regarding them. I've owned a Civic, DA Integra, B13 Sentra, E30 325 Bimmer, and now own a VW GTI; And don't mind owning another Japanese car. I am a car enthusiast, not a euro-car enthusiast, despite the fact that it might have seemed otherwise in my original post.
The only reason I posted here for was to defend the Euro cars, as everybody was saying "Yeah, shows that europeans aint ****." Judging from your post you'd probably be one of the people to say same exact thing.

Look at my other posts and you'll hardly see me saying that European's aren't sh*t. I'm not here to bash you for being a fan of European cars. I simply jumped in as your post was the first of it's kinda in this thread. The text that I bolded in your post defines why I counter your initial post. You may have had good intentions, but your initial post was a bit rash.

I don't understand why am I even explaining myself to you, as you are the one who dissed Porsche in your post, and you are the one who defended the Skyline. I did the opposite, so now you are doing the same exact thing I did in my first post. We might agree eventually on certain things in the end of the argument, but neither you, nor me will say "Yeah you are right, and I am wrong," so I am not gonna keep arguing with you. I made my point, you made yours, I think we can close the debate now.

I would have hoped that your explaination would mean that you're understanding and would hope to find some common ground between us. The only bashing I did against Porsche was the fact that I find their vehicle line up boring in terms of originality. Which I still do and will stand by. As for finding out who is right or wrong, there's no need. In an argument over preference, there is no right or wrong. The only difference lies in how we portray them.

I hope that this post has provided some form of reasoning to our misunderstandings.