German Muscle vs. Japanese Hustle (335i vs IS350)

[Mike Lowrey]

Just another tidbit on why BMW put twin turbos in the 335. They found themselves beat out by Lexus in power and speed and needed to add more power. The existing chassis could not accomadate a larger displacement motor in inline form. Their only choice to make a quick imporvement was to add the turbos. It was either that or redesign the chassis.

I would take the Lexus over the BMW any day and twice on Sunday.....

Actually, I did. I have owned the IS350, and would own another one without thinking twice.

The real comparo will come with the New BMW M# and the Lexus IS-F. These two cars are made for a similar purpose. Lets see just how close Lexus has come to the BMW.

[jfman]

Their only choice to make a quick imporvement was to add the turbos. It was either that or redesign the chassis.

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No YOU are a moron. The E92 chassis accepts v8 and even v10 engines. What a fucking moron.

[BobbyFresco]

No YOU are a moron. The E92 chassis accepts v8 and even v10 engines. What a fucking moron.

True story..The current issue of Eurotuner has a NA 550 HP V10 BMW 325i.
So much for the theory that BMW can't do magic with NA, right?
Overpriced Toyota FTL.

[ISAtlanta300]

True story..The current issue of Eurotuner has a NA 550 HP V10 BMW 325i.
So much for the theory that BMW can't do magic with NA, right?
Overpriced Toyota FTL.

Uhm.. it's a V10 !! it's EXPECTED to have 550HP... nothing magic about that....

Next.

[BobbyFresco]

Uhm.. it's a V10 !! it's EXPECTED to have 550HP... nothing magic about that....

Next.

LOL..spoken like a true Lexus owner....

If you're content with your overpriced,underpowered Toyota, more power to ya.





At the end of the day a Lexus is a Toyota and a BMW is a BMW.....

[BlkCD5]

Originally posted by StuntallDay
If you're content with your overpriced,underpowered Toyota, more power to ya.
At the end of the day a Lexus is a Toyota and a BMW is a BMW.....

and Bmw's aren't overpriced ? To each their own I guess. Lexus has constantly been kicking ass regarding value in the luxury car department ever since toyota introduced the division.

originally posted by 1989_crx_si
I'll still get the LEXUS even though it's slower.. the BMW cost $3k+ more than the LEXUS so i'll invest that in a turbo for the lexus and spank that BMW's azz even harder =P

Don't bring up that. It would be just like, domestic vs. import dollar per hp ratio argument. Yea, but put $3k in the Bmw and see what happens.

Bottom line is

335i= Great car for those don't mind spending money and would go balls out on a performance car

IS350= for the conservative type, appreciates performance at a "close" level but would rather spend that extra money elsewhere

Either way, both are awesome cars.

[Jaimecbr900]

and Bmw's aren't overpriced ? To each their own I guess. Lexus has constantly been kicking ass regarding value in the luxury car department ever since toyota introduced the division.




Don't bring up that. It would be just like, domestic vs. import dollar per hp ratio argument. Yea, but put $3k in the Bmw and see what happens.

Bottom line is

335i= Great car for those don't mind spending money and would go balls out on a performance car

IS350= for the conservative type, appreciates performance at a "close" level but would rather spend that extra money elsewhere

Either way, both are awesome cars.

One of the best posts in the entire thread right there. Way to go.

[ISAtlanta300]

LOL..spoken like a true Lexus owner....

If you're content with your overpriced,underpowered Toyota, more power to ya.





At the end of the day a Lexus is a Toyota and a BMW is a BMW.....

OH wow.... gee you got me there.. i guess...

[BobbyFresco]

OH wow.... gee you got me there.. i guess...

Truth hurts, huh?

[Mike Lowrey]

No YOU are a moron. The E92 chassis accepts v8 and even v10 engines. What a fucking moron.

Hey dumbass, BMW was already planning to put a V8 in the M3 and were not going to put the same in the 335. The problem was they could not get the power they needed out of the current motor without FI. Hencethe TT. Let us at least look at the whole picture.

[jfman]

Their only choice to make a quick imporvement was to add the turbos. It was either that or redesign the chassis.

Hey dumbass, BMW was already planning to put a V8 in the M3 and were not going to put the same in the 335. The problem was they could not get the power they needed out of the current motor without FI. Hencethe TT. Let us at least look at the whole picture.

I stand by my comment that you are a moron. You said yourself that they would have had to redesing the chassis for a bigger motor when we all know the v8 fits in there. Nice back tracking.

Bottom line is BMW currently makes a non-M car that even the top of the pack Toyota cars cant compete with.

[Mike Lowrey]

I stand by my comment that you are a moron. You said yourself that they would have had to redesing the chassis for a bigger motor when we all know the v8 fits in there. Nice back tracking.

Bottom line is BMW currently makes a non-M car that even the top of the pack Toyota cars cant compete with.

Hey Retard! Do you fucking understand the difference between and I6 and a V8? Holy Fucking Shit! A larger I6 will not fit! A V8 is actually shorter in length than an I6!

[1SICKLEX]

I stand by my comment that you are a moron. You said yourself that they would have had to redesing the chassis for a bigger motor when we all know the v8 fits in there. Nice back tracking.

Bottom line is BMW currently makes a non-M car that even the top of the pack Toyota cars cant compete with.

Just because something FITS does not mean it was meant to go there. I am sure the balance is pretty off and a lot of chassis strengthening had to be done to fit those bigger engines.

The 3 comes with a I-4 or even diesels in Europe. You simply don't stuff a V-8 or V-10 in there unless you want to twist the entire chassis. You have to mod the entire car to do it RIGHT.

[jfman]

Just because something FITS does not mean it was meant to go there. I am sure the balance is pretty off and a lot of chassis strengthening had to be done to fit those bigger engines.

The 3 comes with a I-4 or even diesels in Europe. You simply don't stuff a V-8 or V-10 in there unless you want to twist the entire chassis. You have to mod the entire car to do it RIGHT.

Gatorfag was implying that they went FI because they did not know how to install a bigger NA I6 without "redesinging the chassis" What a moron.

Just another tidbit on why BMW put twin turbos in the 335. They found themselves beat out by Lexus in power and speed and needed to add more power. The existing chassis could not accomadate a larger displacement motor in inline form. Their only choice to make a quick imporvement was to add the turbos. It was either that or redesign the chassis.

[Mike Lowrey]

BMW could fit a 330 hp I6 in the e46 chassis but no way they could have done it to the E92? You are a moron. Do you think they put that motor in there because they had to? What a douch bag.

It would not give them the performance they needed to one-up the Lexus motor. The M3 had a 3.2l I6 with 333hp and 262tq. And in the 3415 lb M3 went from 0-60 in 5s with a 1/4 mile of around 13.6s. The IS350 had a 3.5l V6 with 306hp (*under the old measure of hp would have been around 320-330hp) and 277tq. The 3500 lb Lexus went from 0-60 in 5.1s and the 1/4 mile in around 13.7s. Putting the 3.2l motor from the M3 would not have gotten the performance that BMW was looking for, hence my comment for the choice was to go FI.

Gatorfag was implying that they went FI because they did not know how to install a bigger NA I6 without "redesinging the chassis" What a moron.

Read above shit-stain. The M3 motor was not enough. I have personally run M3's in my IS350 and run side-by-side with them. The performance is very, very close. At the track, I have run 13.4's with a stock IS350. The 335 with the 3.2l engine would not have been enough to beat IS350 in power.

[CleanCL]

Just because something FITS does not mean it was meant to go there. I am sure the balance is pretty off and a lot of chassis strengthening had to be done to fit those bigger engines.

bmw is one of the most balanced companies that produces vehicles...they dont put something on the road unless the weight ratio is off less than 47/53 - 50/50. Weight ratio is almost perfect.

As for the new M3 (as well as the M6), the reason for the carbon fiber ROOF is to lower the center of gravity even MORE, making it more balance, thus making it handle even better.

[BlkCD5]

Originally posted by CleanCL
Any one of BMWs line up could be classified as a sports car/sport luxury

Bmw X3, X5 Suv. Also I still can't believe the term "rice" got thrown into this thread. I wish some people would understand that Bmw can be undercut by a "lesser" brand. Again, look at my previous post comparing Bmw and lexus and that pretty much it up.

[1SICKLEX]

bmw is one of the most balanced companies that produces vehicles...they dont put something on the road unless the weight ratio is off less than 47/53 - 50/50. Weight ratio is almost perfect.

As for the new M3 (as well as the M6), the reason for the carbon fiber ROOF is to lower the center of gravity even MORE, making it more balance, thus making it handle even better.

I agree with you, thus BMW does NOT make a V-10 3 series. The aftermarket shoehorned that engine in there.
The new M3 V-8 is more compact and lighter than the old M5 V-8 and M3 I-6. Its quite a marvel. I am in no way putting BMWs down, they are fabulous cars.

[CleanCL]

BMW was already planning to put a V8 in the M3

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